Re: [Elecraft] K3 - RTTY FSK-D power

2013-07-21 Thread iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato


Hi Hank and all.
It's almost the same as I see it here on the KPA500 PWR diplay. Diddling 
RTTY FSK signal make the K3 Pout bubbling a bit. When at a steady 80W 
Pout without of FSK without diddle I add the diddle the KPA500 move very 
fast around 80W. I couldn't appreciate the real numbers as they move too 
fast and the KPA500 is also fast changing. The same at 40W at at the 
100W Pout level. The same effect is well seen also on some PS 
instruments. When the K3 is diddling in RTTY the current shows some 
diddling also.


That's almost empirically, but it is.

The same effect was seen on the last FW release and also on the one before.

73 de iw1ayd Salvo


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - RTTY FSK-D power

2013-07-21 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


The K3 power calibration is done at CW (key down) but FSK includes a
bit of shaping to reduce key clicks.  That adds just a bit of peak
to average power difference and would account for a small difference 
between CW and FSK.  I measure just under 1 watt difference at 80 W 
between CW and FSK conditions - about 0.6 dB.


73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/21/2013 10:31 AM, iw1ayd - Salvatore Irato wrote:


Hi Hank and all.
It's almost the same as I see it here on the KPA500 PWR diplay. Diddling
RTTY FSK signal make the K3 Pout bubbling a bit. When at a steady 80W
Pout without of FSK without diddle I add the diddle the KPA500 move very
fast around 80W. I couldn't appreciate the real numbers as they move too
fast and the KPA500 is also fast changing. The same at 40W at at the
100W Pout level. The same effect is well seen also on some PS
instruments. When the K3 is diddling in RTTY the current shows some
diddling also.

That's almost empirically, but it is.

The same effect was seen on the last FW release and also on the one before.

 73 de iw1ayd Salvo


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[Elecraft] K3 - RTTY FSK-D power

2013-07-19 Thread Pfizenmayer
If I set power to 100 watts  on CW the K3 setting  and my Array Solutions 
Powermaster power meter read the same within a watt or two. Leaving the K3 
power set at 100 watts on CW and switch  to DATA and run MMTTY diddles  , the 
Powermaster is reading 116 watts. Sending RTTY text it bounces between 115 and 
105 watts or so. 

K3 SN 7536 latest non beta firmware.

Powermaster  or something in K3 ??? This is not Powermaster II and I have two 
couplers , both do the same.  SN2441 box.


Hank K7HP 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - RTTY FSK-D power

2013-07-19 Thread Don Wilhelm

Hank,

My initial guess is that it is your Powermaster.
I have recently built a 4 State QRP QRPometer to use when testing QRP 
transmitters.  It is an accurate meter as long as the waveform is a good 
sine wave (Good CW signal), but I have also discovered that it does not 
read correctly if the waveform is other than a clean CW signal (like 
PSK31 or RTTY).  The cause is the detection methods used in the meter.


I cannot say that your Powermaster is doing the same thing, but I will 
venture a guess that it is related.


The K3 does a very good job of controlling power at the requested level, 
no matter what the mode.
But then your question is valid - I don't know your particular answer, 
and I do not have a Powermaster meter to test with.  I am only offering 
my suspicion.


73,
Don W3FPR
On 7/19/2013 4:45 PM, Pfizenmayer wrote:

If I set power to 100 watts  on CW the K3 setting  and my Array Solutions 
Powermaster power meter read the same within a watt or two. Leaving the K3 
power set at 100 watts on CW and switch  to DATA and run MMTTY diddles  , the 
Powermaster is reading 116 watts. Sending RTTY text it bounces between 115 and 
105 watts or so.

K3 SN 7536 latest non beta firmware.

Powermaster  or something in K3 ??? This is not Powermaster II and I have two 
couplers , both do the same.  SN2441 box.


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