Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY message

[Don Wilhelm]

That message means that for some reason or another. the K3 is detecting 
a key closure on power up.
Check your key and the contact spacing first, and then proceed to 
anything that may be causing  that message.

Don't overlook a stuck PTT switch, which can cause the same message.

If all else fails, unplug the key and the microphone - it should come up 
without the message - then plug them in one at a time, power up and see 
which is causing the

ERR message.

If you are using a straight key with a mono plug. change it to a stereo 
plug and use the KEY jack on the K3 rather than the paddles jack.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 4/12/2022 9:25 PM, John D Freed wrote:

I was upgrading my elecraft k3 (ser# 7023) to the latest firmware.  I now have 
the following message:  ERR KEY.  anyone have a solution to fix this 
situation??  I would like to know how to clear this error and get my rig up and 
operating.
John KX6F
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY message

[Fred Jensen]

It means your radio is keyed.  Unplug the key.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Dave W8OV wrote on 4/12/2022 6:36 PM:
I had that once and it turned out to be a wire connected to my key 
line was contacting some other device.  I'd suggest you look for any 
connection between your key or cable and something else.


--Dave W8OV

On 4/12/2022 20:25, John D Freed wrote:
I was upgrading my elecraft k3 (ser# 7023) to the latest firmware.  I 
now have the following message:  ERR KEY. anyone have a solution to 
fix this situation??  I would like to know how to clear this error 
and get my rig up and operating.

John KX6F




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY message

[Dave W8OV]

I had that once and it turned out to be a wire connected to my key line 
was contacting some other device.  I'd suggest you look for any 
connection between your key or cable and something else.


--Dave W8OV

On 4/12/2022 20:25, John D Freed wrote:

I was upgrading my elecraft k3 (ser# 7023) to the latest firmware.  I now have 
the following message:  ERR KEY.  anyone have a solution to fix this 
situation??  I would like to know how to clear this error and get my rig up and 
operating.
John KX6F
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[Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY message

[John D Freed]

I was upgrading my elecraft k3 (ser# 7023) to the latest firmware.  I now have 
the following message:  ERR KEY.  anyone have a solution to fix this 
situation??  I would like to know how to clear this error and get my rig up and 
operating.
John KX6F
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

[K4IA]

The only way to clear the error is to get the logging program to stop doing 
 whatever misbehavior is going on.  I had this happen while I was playing  
with the configuration settings in N1MM while the radio was on.  I had to  
terminate N1MM and turn off the radio.  I never did figure out what caused  
it but I did make it go away.
 
k4ia

In a message dated 3/21/2010 2:12:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight  Time, 
andrewfa...@ymail.com writes:
Buck,
That may be possible,  though I've never had that happen before.  But isn't 
there some way  simply to clear the error and move forward?
73, andy,  ae6y

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To:  ; 
Subject: Re:  [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

> Most likely it is your logging  control program  that is already 
asserting 
> a
> PTT signal  when you turn on the radio. Check your  PTT settings, RTS, 
DTR 
>  .
> Make sure you boot the logging software after you  have the radio  on.
>
> Buck
> k4ia
> k3 #101
>
>
> In  a message dated  3/20/2010 9:03:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>  andrewfa...@ymail.com  writes:
> Wayne, Eric and Gang,
> I am  planning to take my K3 to Aruba Tuesday  night, but in testing it  
out
> on
> phone just now, I started getting ERR KEY  messages,  which change to ERR
> PTT
> if PTT is asserted.  The radio  seems  to receive ok but won't transmit.
> The
> menus also  don't  appear.
> The manual says this is due to asserting key or ptt  line in  power up, 
but
> it happened when the radio was already  on.
> Not sure  of the firmware I'm using (can't communicate with the  radio) 
but
> I think  it's 3.83 and 2.54. The radio is Ser.  076.
> Any thoughts? Need to fix  this quickly for WPX, or I'll have  to go back 
> to
> using our Pro2  (ugh!)
> 73, andy,  ae6y
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

[Andy Faber]

Buck,
  That may be possible, though I've never had that happen before.  But isn't 
there some way simply to clear the error and move forward?
 73, andy, ae6y

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To: ; 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

> Most likely it is your logging control program  that is already asserting 
> a
> PTT signal when you turn on the radio. Check your  PTT settings, RTS, DTR 
> .
> Make sure you boot the logging software after you  have the radio on.
>
> Buck
> k4ia
> k3 #101
>
>
> In a message dated  3/20/2010 9:03:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> andrewfa...@ymail.com  writes:
> Wayne, Eric and Gang,
> I am planning to take my K3 to Aruba Tuesday  night, but in testing it out
> on
> phone just now, I started getting ERR KEY  messages, which change to ERR
> PTT
> if PTT is asserted.  The radio seems  to receive ok but won't transmit.
> The
> menus also don't  appear.
> The manual says this is due to asserting key or ptt line in  power up, but
> it happened when the radio was already on.
> Not sure  of the firmware I'm using (can't communicate with the radio) but
> I think  it's 3.83 and 2.54. The radio is Ser. 076.
> Any thoughts? Need to fix  this quickly for WPX, or I'll have to go back 
> to
> using our Pro2  (ugh!)
> 73, andy, ae6y
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

[K4IA]

Most likely it is your logging control program  that is already asserting a 
PTT signal when you turn on the radio. Check your  PTT settings, RTS, DTR . 
 Make sure you boot the logging software after you  have the radio on.

Buck
k4ia
k3 #101


In a message dated  3/20/2010 9:03:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
andrewfa...@ymail.com  writes:
Wayne, Eric and Gang,
I am planning to take my K3 to Aruba Tuesday  night, but in testing it out 
on 
phone just now, I started getting ERR KEY  messages, which change to ERR 
PTT 
if PTT is asserted.  The radio seems  to receive ok but won't transmit.  
The 
menus also don't  appear.
The manual says this is due to asserting key or ptt line in  power up, but 
it happened when the radio was already on.
Not sure  of the firmware I'm using (can't communicate with the radio) but 
I think  it's 3.83 and 2.54. The radio is Ser. 076.
Any thoughts? Need to fix  this quickly for WPX, or I'll have to go back to 
using our Pro2  (ugh!)
73, andy, ae6y  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

[Andy Faber]

Don,
 Thanks.  I just did a full reload of the same firmware, but the symptoms 
remain the same.
 73, andy, ae6y

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

> Andy,
>
> It may be that you have a glitch in the firmware - yes, ERR PTT or ERR KEY 
> should only appear at power on time (although you might want to check to 
> be certain your power supply is not glitching off).
>
> I would suggest you try a firmware download - use K3 Utility, download the 
> latest release firmware and attempt to load it.  Be certain you are in 
> Advanced Mode and check all the boxes to force not only the MCU, but the 
> FPF and DSP firmware to load as well.
> If the firmware load from K3 Utility is not successful, try the steps to 
> Force a Firmware Download - see the K3 Utility help file or in the K3 
> manual.
>
> I won't guarantee the firmware load will fix your problem, but it is easy 
> to do and has some chance of fixing it.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> Andy Faber wrote:
>> Wayne, Eric and Gang,
>> I am planning to take my K3 to Aruba Tuesday night, but in testing it out 
>> on phone just now, I started getting ERR KEY messages, which change to 
>> ERR PTT if PTT is asserted.  The radio seems to receive ok but won't 
>> transmit.  The menus also don't appear.
>>   The manual says this is due to asserting key or ptt line in power up, 
>> but it happened when the radio was already on.
>>   Not sure of the firmware I'm using (can't communicate with the radio) 
>> but I think it's 3.83 and 2.54. The radio is Ser. 076.
>>   Any thoughts? Need to fix this quickly for WPX, or I'll have to go back 
>> to using our Pro2 (ugh!)
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

[Don Wilhelm]

Andy,

It may be that you have a glitch in the firmware - yes, ERR PTT or ERR 
KEY should only appear at power on time (although you might want to 
check to be certain your power supply is not glitching off).

I would suggest you try a firmware download - use K3 Utility, download 
the latest release firmware and attempt to load it.  Be certain you are 
in Advanced Mode and check all the boxes to force not only the MCU, but 
the FPF and DSP firmware to load as well.
If the firmware load from K3 Utility is not successful, try the steps to 
Force a Firmware Download - see the K3 Utility help file or in the K3 
manual.

I won't guarantee the firmware load will fix your problem, but it is 
easy to do and has some chance of fixing it.

73,
Don W3FPR

Andy Faber wrote:
> Wayne, Eric and Gang,
> I am planning to take my K3 to Aruba Tuesday night, but in testing it out on 
> phone just now, I started getting ERR KEY messages, which change to ERR PTT 
> if PTT is asserted.  The radio seems to receive ok but won't transmit.  The 
> menus also don't appear.
>   The manual says this is due to asserting key or ptt line in power up, but 
> it happened when the radio was already on.
>   Not sure of the firmware I'm using (can't communicate with the radio) but 
> I think it's 3.83 and 2.54. The radio is Ser. 076.
>   Any thoughts? Need to fix this quickly for WPX, or I'll have to go back to 
> using our Pro2 (ugh!)
>   
>
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[Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY/PTT Problem

[Andy Faber]

Wayne, Eric and Gang,
I am planning to take my K3 to Aruba Tuesday night, but in testing it out on 
phone just now, I started getting ERR KEY messages, which change to ERR PTT 
if PTT is asserted.  The radio seems to receive ok but won't transmit.  The 
menus also don't appear.
  The manual says this is due to asserting key or ptt line in power up, but 
it happened when the radio was already on.
  Not sure of the firmware I'm using (can't communicate with the radio) but 
I think it's 3.83 and 2.54. The radio is Ser. 076.
  Any thoughts? Need to fix this quickly for WPX, or I'll have to go back to 
using our Pro2 (ugh!)
  73, andy, ae6y 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY

[Lyle Johnson]

> This happened a month ago and then went away.  Now it's coming on more
> regular.  Usually I remove the power and when turned back on, it's gone.
> Today I have put it off and on 6/7 times and it still remains.  Checked all
> the PTT connections etc and OK.  Even removed the PTT mike.  No key
> attached.  Ideas?

If you have an attached computer and have set things so the RS232 port 
can assert PTT (CONFIG:PTT-KEY), it may be that when you power up the K3 
the computer RTS or DSR line(s) are in a state to be interpreted as an 
assertion of PTT.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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[Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY

[Phil LaMarche]

This happened a month ago and then went away.  Now it's coming on more
regular.  Usually I remove the power and when turned back on, it's gone.
Today I have put it off and on 6/7 times and it still remains.  Checked all
the PTT connections etc and OK.  Even removed the PTT mike.  No key
attached.  Ideas?
 
Phil
 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY - Continuous Keying

[Gill W4RYW]

See if you can isolate the problem - Turn off the K3 & disconnect the computer 
from the K3, turn it on and check the config menu setting for PTT-KEY. Turn 
both PTT and KEY to OFF. Turn off the VOX. Turn off the K3 and reconnect the 
computer. Turn on K3 then start up computer. You should be ok.  If not call 
Aptos. otherwise go to PTT-KEY menu and turn back on whatever was originally 
on. If the problem re-appears, then your computer is asserting either the RTS 
or DTR line continually and now you have to trouble shoot the computer - likely 
some program or program update is screwed up. All this is assuming that sound 
card is clean and not activating VOX. If you turn on VOX and it keys again, 
then you still have a computer soundcard issue.

Good Luck

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY - Continuous Keying

[Don Wilhelm]

Bud,

If the K3 is powered on with a KEY(or paddles) or PTT closure, ERR KEY 
will result, and will not transmit until the condition is cleared. (but 
connect a dummy load just in case).

I am not certain the LINE IN has anything to do with it, but if VOX is 
on, the K3 can be keyed with the LINE IN signal.  Has your computer 
developed a noisy sound card?  Connect amplified speakers to the 
computer line out to see what it sounds like.  Is there hum pickup on 
your cable to the K3 LINE IN?

Have you connected the computer enclosure and the K3 together with a 
good grounding conductor?  If not, try it and see if that helps.

73,
Don W3FPR

Bud Governale, W3LL wrote:
> My K3 display shows ERR KEY when I turn it on. It's been working flawlessly 
> until now and no recent changes have been 
> made.
>
> 1.No programs are running on the computer. ERR Key is displayed on the K3
> 2.If I shut down the computer the ERR Key turns off partway thru the 
> "Windows is Shutting Down" screen.
> 3.If I turn on the computer with the K3 on, it keys the transmitter a few 
> times then it keys on continuously after 
> windows comes up.
> 4.I disconnected both the RS232 and ACCY cables from the K3 but 
> surprisingly the K3 remained keyed with the same 
> symptoms.
>
> 5.I disconnected the Line Out cable from the K3 and it unkeyed. However, 
> it would periodically/intermittently key 
> for about half a second on its own.
> 6.I reconnected the Line Out and the K3 again keyed continuously.
> 7.I disconnected the Line In cable from the K3 and the K3 unkeyed. 
> However, it would periodically key for about half 
> a second on its own.
> 8.I checked both Line In and line Out cables for continuity or shorts. 
> Both are OK.
> 9.I checked the sound card for functionality using a second radio. It 
> works properly for both Line In and Line Out.
> 10.  Both Line In and Line Out cables are stereo cables.
> 11.  If the K3 is on when windows starts up it goes into key down mode. If I 
> start windows with the K3 off and then turn 
> the K3 on the K3 displays the ERR Key diagnostic.
>
> I don't understand what Line Out or Line In has to do with keying the 
> transmitter.
>
> Any suggestions on what happened and how to fix it? Until now all has been 
> perfect.
>
> 73,
>
> Bud W3LL
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>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY - Continuous Keying

[Paul Fletcher]

My K3 display shows ERR KEY when I turn it on. 

Try disconnecting all cables from the K3 except the antenna and power 
(obviously!) and see if the symptoms persist. If they don't, plug in one cable 
at a time until the problem returns and go from there. Alternatively it could 
be a problem with the I/O daughter board. If you still have the problem with 
all cables disconnected remove the daughter board that has the RS232 and 
accessory connectors on (the K3 will operate fine without it) and see if that 
fixes the problem. If it does clean the daughter board thoroughly with 
something that removes water soluble flux and a tooth brush, let it dry and 
reinstall it and see if that fixes the problem. If the problem reappears you 
could try again or get the board replaced.

If removing the board doesn't fix the problem I'd suggest contacting Elecraft 
tech support.

Regards,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY - Continuous Keying

[W0FK]

Did you check your CW key and/or paddle? I have had that issue when the plug 
was slightly askew or if it was making contact. The error code indicates a 
closed connection somewhere. Also check the cables to your amplifier (if you 
ahve one in line).

Lou, W0FK 



My K3 display shows ERR KEY when I turn it on. It's been working flawlessly 
until now and no recent changes have been 
made.

1.No programs are running on the computer. ERR Key is displayed on the K3
2.If I shut down the computer the ERR Key turns off partway thru the 
"Windows is Shutting Down" screen.
3.If I turn on the computer with the K3 on, it keys the transmitter a few 
times then it keys on continuously after 
windows comes up.
4.I disconnected both the RS232 and ACCY cables from the K3 but 
surprisingly the K3 remained keyed with the same 
symptoms.

5.I disconnected the Line Out cable from the K3 and it unkeyed. However, it 
would periodically/intermittently key 
for about half a second on its own.
6.I reconnected the Line Out and the K3 again keyed continuously.
7.I disconnected the Line In cable from the K3 and the K3 unkeyed. However, 
it would periodically key for about half 
a second on its own.
8.I checked both Line In and line Out cables for continuity or shorts. Both 
are OK.
9.I checked the sound card for functionality using a second radio. It works 
properly for both Line In and Line Out.
10.  Both Line In and Line Out cables are stereo cables.
11.  If the K3 is on when windows starts up it goes into key down mode. If I 
start windows with the K3 off and then turn 
the K3 on the K3 displays the ERR Key diagnostic.

I don't understand what Line Out or Line In has to do with keying the 
transmitter.

Any suggestions on what happened and how to fix it? Until now all has been 
perfect.

73,

Bud W3LL
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[Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY - Continuous Keying

[Bud Governale, W3LL]

My K3 display shows ERR KEY when I turn it on. It's been working flawlessly 
until now and no recent changes have been 
made.

1.No programs are running on the computer. ERR Key is displayed on the K3
2.If I shut down the computer the ERR Key turns off partway thru the 
"Windows is Shutting Down" screen.
3.If I turn on the computer with the K3 on, it keys the transmitter a few 
times then it keys on continuously after 
windows comes up.
4.I disconnected both the RS232 and ACCY cables from the K3 but 
surprisingly the K3 remained keyed with the same 
symptoms.

5.I disconnected the Line Out cable from the K3 and it unkeyed. However, it 
would periodically/intermittently key 
for about half a second on its own.
6.I reconnected the Line Out and the K3 again keyed continuously.
7.I disconnected the Line In cable from the K3 and the K3 unkeyed. However, 
it would periodically key for about half 
a second on its own.
8.I checked both Line In and line Out cables for continuity or shorts. Both 
are OK.
9.I checked the sound card for functionality using a second radio. It works 
properly for both Line In and Line Out.
10.  Both Line In and Line Out cables are stereo cables.
11.  If the K3 is on when windows starts up it goes into key down mode. If I 
start windows with the K3 off and then turn 
the K3 on the K3 displays the ERR Key diagnostic.

I don't understand what Line Out or Line In has to do with keying the 
transmitter.

Any suggestions on what happened and how to fix it? Until now all has been 
perfect.

73,

Bud W3LL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY

[Brett Howard]

Thats not how its worked for me...  I've powered things up and tapped
the key too early in the power up sequence and gotten that.  But I just
either wait or press the power button and cycle power and all is good.

On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 12:45 +, Brian Alsop wrote:
> While fooling around with a station configuration change,  I managed to 
> trigger this.
> 
> It's a great idea. 
> 
> However, once triggered, you can't turn off the K3 with its power switch. 
> You have to go back and turn off the power supply.
> Is this how it was intended to work?
> 
> FW V2.81
> 
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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[Elecraft] K3 ERR KEY

[Brian Alsop]

While fooling around with a station configuration change,  I managed to 
trigger this.

It's a great idea. 

However, once triggered, you can't turn off the K3 with its power switch. 
You have to go back and turn off the power supply.
Is this how it was intended to work?

FW V2.81

73 de Brian/K3KO
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[Elecraft] K3 -ERR KEY

[Patrick DalPorto]

I get the ERR KEY error message with all other items unplugged from the K3 and 
a plug in the paddle receptacle that is not wired to anything.
All works well with computer and straight key connected.  I must have a problem 
with the paddle receptacle that occurred spontaneously.
Any ideas from anyone before I take the K3 apart?
Pat

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[Elecraft] K3 - ERR KEY

[Patrick DalPorto]

I had my paddle plugged into the back of the K3 as it had been for months.  I 
turned the rig on and got the message ERR KEY and I was unable to turn off the 
K3 with the power switch.  The rig is okay if the paddle is not plugged in.  I 
get the same error if I plug in a unwired plug into the paddle receptacle.  The 
rig keys fine from the KEY receptacle.  I seem to remember a post about this 
earlier but I am unable to find it.  Software MCU 2.46/DSP 1.92.

Pat

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[Elecraft] K3: ERR KEY - Neat

[Neal]

Disconcerting when I first ran into it but a nice feature.

Powered up the K3 the other morning and "ERR KEY" popped up.  Couldn't find
it
in "my" manual.  A little playing around revealed a straight key problem
(closure). 

Checking the latest manual version online I found the error message
documented.

After loading the latest firware, I normally print out the latest menu
listings, but
I never thought about the error messages.

73, Neal WA6OCP
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