Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW in SSB mode option to disable on 60m feature request
In a recent message, "Leigh L. Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ... But here's the problem I encountered: I never, ever want to send CW on 60m. It's illegal for me, even if I just accidentally bump into the key while I'm in a 60M USB QSO. It's not like bumping the key on some other band where you can just give an ID and move on. There's simply no way to do it legally. I wouldn't worry about it too much, Leigh. Hopefully the FCC will join the rest of the world and permit CW on 60m in the near future. With channels only 3kHz wide, narrow modes are more appropriate, permitting operation by many stations on the same channel. SSB occupies a whole channel, which does not make economical use of the limited spectrum available. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW in SSB mode option to disable on 60m feature request
OK, I'm going to try one last time. The K3 has a feature whereby it can do CW in USB mode. It doesn't do this by default; you have specifically enable this feature. This feature has plenty of issues, even for the folks who asked for it: logging programs think you're in USB when you are actually operating CW, for example. There's no way around that. But here's the problem I encountered: I never, ever want to send CW on 60m. It's illegal for me, even if I just accidentally bump into the key while I'm in a 60M USB QSO. It's not like bumping the key on some other band where you can just give an ID and move on. There's simply no way to do it legally. Now, if I want to make sure my rig never gets a stuck key or a dit on 60m, I can do this really easily: just don't go into CW mode. I've been a ham since 1969, and I think I can trust myself to know what mode my rig is in. But wait, now I can't! It says USB, but it's not USB, it's CW. I know, I'll ask Elecraft in a quick one-liner if they can offer an OPTION so that the CW in SSB mode OPTION can be selectively not turned on on 60m. Seems simple enough. But what do I get in response? A long thread of debate on why I shouldn't want me to prevent them from using CW (as if you'd *have* to have this enabled), how folks in England can get special license authority to use CW on 60m (which is totally irrelevant to me and my request, and is of no disadvantage to anyone else, though it's a nice privilege to have), and how I'm somehow Letting Down Ham Radio by asking for an option to have my rig send not send CW in SSB mode in the one place where it matters. Then by the time someone from Elecraft actually gets to the message, the debate among those bashing the straw-man-proposals-that-aren't-what-I-said are all that's left and the original intent of the request is totally lost. 73 es QRU, Leigh/WA5ZNU On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:30:08 -0700, "Leigh L. Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: What I actually said was (in its entirety) this: Perhaps it's too esoteric, but it would be nice if there were a way to disable the CW in SSB mode feature for 60m. Leigh/WA5ZNU [snip] Lyle Johnson wrote: Please keep in mind that the K3 is shipped worldwide. Many administrations have rules less restrictive than in the U.S. 73, Lyle KK7P Although it has become common practice to protect us from ourselves in all walks of life, I prefer that rig manufacturers not restrict my operating capabilities. It's my responsibility to follow the rules. I don't want rig manufacturers to take on that responsibility for me. It reminds me of when I asked the policeman who visited my elementary school, "Why don't you find a way to stop criminals from committing crimes?". His answer was, "It's my Job to bring the criminals in our society to justice, not to prevent them from committing the crimes." 73, Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW in SSB mode option to disable on 60m feature request
I agree Julian, Let's use the "Little Gray Cells" between our ears. If not, there's always EchoLink, Skype etc. 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:49:10 -0700 (PDT), Julian, G4ILO wrote: > > > Brett Howard wrote: > >> Personally I'd rather have the ability to do CW in SSB anywhere as it >> turns out to be a good safety feature if ever need be. Granted cross >> mode is more of a safety option when we're talking about a KX1 but you >> never know. Personally I feel that not disallowing TX outside of the >> bands (or making things configurable so that one can transmit outside of >> band (with just a warning if your OOB) would be a good enhancement. >> > I agree. I don't see any reason to disable anything. If you don't want to > use something, or aren't allowed to use something, then just don't use it. > We're licensed amateurs, we know what the rules are, we don't need our > radios playing nanny to make sure we don't do anything we're not supposed > to. > > - > Julian, G4ILO > http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack > http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directory ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW in SSB mode option to disable on 60m feature request
Brett Howard wrote: > > Personally I'd rather have the ability to do CW in SSB anywhere as it > turns out to be a good safety feature if ever need be. Granted cross > mode is more of a safety option when we're talking about a KX1 but you > never know. Personally I feel that not disallowing TX outside of the > bands (or making things configurable so that one can transmit outside of > band (with just a warning if your OOB) would be a good enhancement. > I agree. I don't see any reason to disable anything. If you don't want to use something, or aren't allowed to use something, then just don't use it. We're licensed amateurs, we know what the rules are, we don't need our radios playing nanny to make sure we don't do anything we're not supposed to. - Julian, G4ILO http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directory -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-in-SSB-mode-option-to-disable-on-60m-feature-request-tp574482p574843.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW in SSB mode option to disable on 60m feature request
Personally I'd rather have the ability to do CW in SSB anywhere as it turns out to be a good safety feature if ever need be. Granted cross mode is more of a safety option when we're talking about a KX1 but you never know. Personally I feel that not disallowing TX outside of the bands (or making things configurable so that one can transmit outside of band (with just a warning if your OOB) would be a good enhancement. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 16:23 -0700, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote: > Perhaps it's too esoteric, but it would be nice if there were a way to > disable the CW in SSB mode feature for 60m. > Leigh/WA5ZNU > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 CW in SSB mode option to disable on 60m feature request
Perhaps it's too esoteric, but it would be nice if there were a way to disable the CW in SSB mode feature for 60m. Leigh/WA5ZNU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
