Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Hi Leigh, I've now implemented *optional* coarse tuning quantization (or rounding). It'll be in the upcoming beta release. You can turn it on/ off in the menu. 1.5 kHz as a coarse tuning step size might be problematic since it wouldn't be aligned at 10-kHz points as you tune across the band. I think 0.5 kHz might be more useful. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU wrote: Once you make this change I can see an advantage to offering a 1.5 KHz coarse tuning option for SSB mode, between the 1.0 and 2.5 currently offered. Leigh/WA5ZNU Wayne N6KR wrote: ... Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Once yo make this change I can see an advantage to offering a 1.5 KHz coarse tuning option for SSB mode, between the 1.0 and 2.5 currently offered. Leigh/WA5ZNU Wayne N6KR wrote: ... Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function that can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1. There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not* clear the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were previously on. However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion. Personally I kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like CBer's but thats just me... ;) Any way I had a thought. Being that the CLR button has no function when the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that button clear the 3 LSBs. That way if you want the first scenario mentioned above you simply grab the knob and crank away. However if you prefer the second scenario you only have tap that CLR switch. This is a very simple action and one can hit this button in the same motion while reaching for the knob. Anyone have thoughts? ~Brett PS: Sorry for more nit picks on the K3 guys but honestly I think we're at this level now... For me the K3 works wonderfully. Granted I know that with this group out here there will be more great ideas and some more big exciting firmware releases are on the way! Sometimes its hard to come up with solutions that keep everyone happy. Here is my attempt at one. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 04:12 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: Any way I had a thought. Being that the CLR button has no function when the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that button clear the 3 LSBs. I like it a lot, as long as another press of clear restores the offset again, IF RIT CLR is set to UNDO (as mine permanently is..) -- 73 Brendan EI6IZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Brett Howard wrote: Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function that can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1. There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not* clear the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were previously on. However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion. Personally I kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like CBer's but thats just me... ;) Oh yes, I remember the M.CH. knob. There must have been some function on that knob that I actually used. I know because I got a number of half QSOs on my TS-570 by turning that knob by mistake. Mine was configured to 10 kHz jumps, so getting back wasn't easy. On a few occasions, I had been recently spotted on the cluster, so I could find the frequency there. 73 Jon LA4RT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
On Kenwood transceivers there is a menu option to either have the Multi knob leave the least significant digits alone or round them off, it's menu item #5 on a TS-480. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100, TS-480SAT == / However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on // Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's // and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion. Personally I // kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like // CBer's but thats just me... ;) // / Oh yes, I remember the M.CH. knob. There must have been some function on that knob that I actually used. I know because I got a number of half QSOs on my TS-570 by turning that knob by mistake. Mine was configured to 10 kHz jumps, so getting back wasn't easy. On a few occasions, I had been recently spotted on the cluster, so I could find the frequency there. 73 Jon LA4RT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes. Tapping CLR to accomplish this strikes me as further control overloading, which I want to avoid. Besides that, CLR clears the RIT offset even if RIT is off. Wayne Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote: Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function that can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1. There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not* clear the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were previously on. However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion. Personally I kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like CBer's but thats just me... ;) Any way I had a thought. Being that the CLR button has no function when the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that button clear the 3 LSBs. That way if you want the first scenario mentioned above you simply grab the knob and crank away. However if you prefer the second scenario you only have tap that CLR switch. This is a very simple action and one can hit this button in the same motion while reaching for the knob. Anyone have thoughts? ~Brett PS: Sorry for more nit picks on the K3 guys but honestly I think we're at this level now... For me the K3 works wonderfully. Granted I know that with this group out here there will be more great ideas and some more big exciting firmware releases are on the way! Sometimes its hard to come up with solutions that keep everyone happy. Here is my attempt at one. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Quantizes? What's that mean? ;-o Mike NF4L Wayne Burdick wrote: I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes. Tapping CLR to accomplish this strikes me as further control overloading, which I want to avoid. Besides that, CLR clears the RIT offset even if RIT is off. Wayne Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com wrote: Not too long ago there was some debate about the Fast QSY function that can be used if you set VFO OFS = 1. There were those who feel that the fast QSY function should *not* clear the LSB's so that if you use it (or perhaps accidentally bump it) you have an easier time getting back to the frequency that you were previously on. However there are those who have grown accustomed to the M.CH knob on Kenwood rigs that allow for 1Khz movement but it *does* clear the LSB's and allows you to tune the band in a channelized fashion. Personally I kinda wish that we'd use the band in a more random fashion and less like CBer's but thats just me... ;) Any way I had a thought. Being that the CLR button has no function when the user is simply listening with RIT and XIT off why not have that button clear the 3 LSBs. That way if you want the first scenario mentioned above you simply grab the knob and crank away. However if you prefer the second scenario you only have tap that CLR switch. This is a very simple action and one can hit this button in the same motion while reaching for the knob. Anyone have thoughts? ~Brett PS: Sorry for more nit picks on the K3 guys but honestly I think we're at this level now... For me the K3 works wonderfully. Granted I know that with this group out here there will be more great ideas and some more big exciting firmware releases are on the way! Sometimes its hard to come up with solutions that keep everyone happy. Here is my attempt at one. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Sorry -- geekSpeak :) Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz. The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when it is in COARSE mode. The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent with present behavior. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Mike wrote: Quantizes? What's that mean? ;-o Mike NF4L Wayne Burdick wrote: I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
And something I quite like, since so many ops seem to aim for the .00 freq anyway. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- I don't mind that you think slowly but I do mind that you are publishing faster than you think. -Wolfgang Pauli, physicist, Nobel laureate (1900-1958) On 21 Sep 2009, at 21:52, Wayne Burdick wrote: Sorry -- geekSpeak :) Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz. The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when it is in COARSE mode. The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent with present behavior. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
If I interpret the geekSpeak correctly, this looks like rounding off the frequency whether the user wants it or not. Coarse tuning rounding off when using the main tuning control is not a problem, but when the RIT/XIT tuning control is configured for coarse tuning works just fine for me the way it is, it is very similar to the implementation from Kenwood on the TS570 and TS480. Rounding off the frequency when using the RIT/XIT for tuning is a pain, as an accidental move of that control means you can't return in a couple of clicks to your original frequency. The K3 interface already has awkward compromises (accidentally going up or down a band when turning VOX on, QSK on, not being able to spin through multiple memories while listening to each one across different bands, etc.) lets not make it harder to use. 73 Dave, G4AON K3/100 #80 - Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz. The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when it is in COARSE mode. The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent with present behavior. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Wayne, In the spirit of not desiring magic buttons, I can say that if I want that behavior on my radio, I will set the dial (with VFO A knob) to .00 and then I can use the RIT knob to move in 1 kHz increments. In other words, I like the behavior as it is now. If I am tuning the SSB portion of the band, yes, I will quantize the low order digits manually, but if I am tuning the CW portion, automatically quantizing the low order digits is not as great an idea - I may want a particular offset from 00, so let me do it myself if I desire, but please do not force it on me. 73, Don W3FPR Wayne Burdick wrote: Sorry -- geekSpeak :) Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz. The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when it is in COARSE mode. The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent with present behavior. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Mike wrote: Quantizes? What's that mean? ;-o Mike NF4L Wayne Burdick wrote: I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.111/2386 - Release Date: 09/21/09 05:51:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
Hi Wayne: With regard to the VFO coarse tuning. I would use it if it was disabled when the VFO A LOCK function is active. At the present time, the knob is not locked out. I wonder if that was an oversight or if there is a logical operational reason to keep it enabled. 73, Mike K2MK Wayne Burdick Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:52:58 -0700 Sorry -- geekSpeak :) Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz. The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when it is in COARSE mode. The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent with present behavior. 73, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Feature Idea
There will be a menu entry. W Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Wayne, In the spirit of not desiring magic buttons, I can say that if I want that behavior on my radio, I will set the dial (with VFO A knob) to .00 and then I can use the RIT knob to move in 1 kHz increments. In other words, I like the behavior as it is now. If I am tuning the SSB portion of the band, yes, I will quantize the low order digits manually, but if I am tuning the CW portion, automatically quantizing the low order digits is not as great an idea - I may want a particular offset from 00, so let me do it myself if I desire, but please do not force it on me. 73, Don W3FPR Wayne Burdick wrote: Sorry -- geekSpeak :) Suppose the VFO were tuned to, say, 7040.23, in CW mode. Further assume your CONFIG:VFO CRS menu parameter is set to 1.0 kHz (i.e., your COARSE tuning step is set to 1.0 kHz in CW mode). If you then go into COARSE mode and move the VFO up one tic, you'll get 7041.23 with present firmware. In the future you'll get 7042.00: quantized to the nearest quantum which in this case is the next even multiple of 1.0 kHz. The same will apply if you have the RIT/XIT offset control enabled for use as VFO coarse tuning when it's not being used for RIT/XIT (see CONFIG:VFO OFS). The control will be quantized just like the VFO when it is in COARSE mode. The VFO already quantizes with smaller tuning increments selected (e.g. 50 Hz). So quantizing COARSE increments would be more consistent with present behavior. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 21, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Mike wrote: Quantizes? What's that mean? ;-o Mike NF4L Wayne Burdick wrote: I plan to change VFO coarse tuning in general so that it quantizes. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html --- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.111/2386 - Release Date: 09/21/09 05:51:00 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
