Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Many thanks to Don and to Rich. I was aware of the first reason but hadn't been clear about the other two. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-Original Message- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Richard Ferch >Sent: 15 February 2016 14:43 >To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo > >Most media players use the default device. In addition to Windows >sounds, you wouldn't want sound clips from your Internet browser playing >through the radio codec, to pick an example. > >Another reason might be that if the K3S or K3+KIO3B is turned off or >disconnected from the computer, the device would disappear and Windows >would change the default to some other (possibly unpredictable) device. > >There may be yet another reason: I believe that in recent versions of >Windows, when a device is selected as the default device, Windows >routinely disables other inputs on that sound card or codec. If, for >example, the microphone input were selected as the default device, I >believe that the line input on that same card would be disabled. I don't >know whether the KIO3B codec has multiple inputs, so I don't know >whether this actually applies to it. > >73, >Rich VE3KI > > >W3FPR wrote: > >> Ian, >> >> The operating system plays its sounds through the default soundcard. >> You really don't want to transmit those sounds on the air. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 2/15/2016 6:42 AM, Ian White wrote: >>> VE3KI wrote: >>>> Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default >>>> Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set >>>> to the motherboard sound card in your PC. >>> Please could you explain the reasons for that? >>> >>> > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Most media players use the default device. In addition to Windows sounds, you wouldn't want sound clips from your Internet browser playing through the radio codec, to pick an example. Another reason might be that if the K3S or K3+KIO3B is turned off or disconnected from the computer, the device would disappear and Windows would change the default to some other (possibly unpredictable) device. There may be yet another reason: I believe that in recent versions of Windows, when a device is selected as the default device, Windows routinely disables other inputs on that sound card or codec. If, for example, the microphone input were selected as the default device, I believe that the line input on that same card would be disabled. I don't know whether the KIO3B codec has multiple inputs, so I don't know whether this actually applies to it. 73, Rich VE3KI W3FPR wrote: Ian, The operating system plays its sounds through the default soundcard. You really don't want to transmit those sounds on the air. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2016 6:42 AM, Ian White wrote: VE3KI wrote: Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set to the motherboard sound card in your PC. Please could you explain the reasons for that? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Ian, The operating system plays its sounds through the default soundcard. You really don't want to transmit those sounds on the air. 73, Don W3FPR On 2/15/2016 6:42 AM, Ian White wrote: VE3KI wrote: Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set to the motherboard sound card in your PC. Please could you explain the reasons for that? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
VE3KI wrote: > >Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default >Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set >to the motherboard sound card in your PC. Please could you explain the reasons for that? Thanks for the QSO at the weekend (with GM3W). 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-Original Message- >From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >Richard Ferch >Sent: 12 February 2016 21:54 >To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo > >Here is something to check: > >Right-click the speaker icon in the Task Bar and select Recording >devices. In the Sound window select the USB Audio Codec and click on >Properties. In the Properties window click on the Advanced tab and check >the Default Format. If it is set to 1 channel, ... change it to 2 >channel, ... . > >Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default >Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set >to the motherboard sound card in your PC. > >You should see main RX audio in the left channel. If the subRX is off, >you might see a bit of leakage from the left channel in the right >channel, but if the subRX is on you should only see subRX audio. When >you are transmitting, if your Monitor level is non-zero you should see >the transmitted signal in both channels. > >73, >Rich VE3KI > > >N2TK wrote: > >> Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me >> to do what I am presently doing for two channels? >> >> When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get >the >> same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Thought I had it correct. One issue when comparing the onboard Codex to the outboard M-Audio Delta 44. I am running two versions of MMTTY at the same time. AXETTY set up for main receiver and using left MMTTY channel. Second MMTTY set up for second receiver and right channel in MMTTY Line out on K3 - 001 With M-Audio Delta 44 Using Line 1/2 - Left Channel Recording Level - 33 AXETTY - Main K3 receiver decoding fine all the time MMTTY - Second receiver - nothing decoded with SUB off. Decoding fine with SUB ON. I like it this way Using Codex and Cable from Delta 44 still plugged in - it doesn't matter if the other end is plugged in or pulled out of the Delta 44. Using Codex Microphone Recording level - 3 AXETTY - Main K3 receiver decoding fine all the time. MMTTY - Second receiver - nothing decoded with SUB off. Decoding fine with SUB ON. Using Codec and Cable from Delta 44 removed from the K3. Using Codex microphone Recording level - 3 AXETTY - Main K3 receiver decoding fine all the time. MMTTY - Second receiver - with SUB off decoding strong signals (>s8) from the Main receiver. Second receiver RF gain has no effect on reducing the signal on the second receiver decoding. The RF gain on the second receiver works fine as it should with the SUB ON and decoding is fine. The problem is that if I am listening to a strong signal on the main receiver and operating split mode and the receive signal in the second receiver is not strong, the decoding is a combination of both signals scrambled on the second receiver. I use the second receiver to find out the pattern and where the DX is listening. Any ideas why the crossover with the Codex? If I reduce K3 Line out any more or reduce Codex microphone recording level any more there is no signals on either receiver. Interesting that plugging in a jack in the K3 Line out solves the problem. Tnx for any feedback. Sri about all the recent KIO3B posts. N2TK, Tony __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Presently I use an external audio board for FSK. I run two versions of MMTTY - one for the main receiver and one for the second receiver. In MMTTY > Misc tab > Source for the main receiver I select Left and in the second MMTTY I select Right. Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me to do what I am presently doing for two channels? When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get the same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. Also with my external audio board the MMTTY setups show under MISC that the Device Identifiers for RX are 3. For the CODEC it changes to 0. I did not get as far as transmitting yet using the Codec. Any comments, please? N2TK, Tony __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Hi Tony, You may have to, I did, go into the Microphone -> properties -> advanced to select a 2 channel microphone input. Cheers, hope to hear you in the WPX. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Ed Muns <e...@w0yk.com> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 2:36 PM To: 'N2TK, Tony'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo Yes, your MMTTY channel settings are fine. The USB Audio CODEC is stereo. Not sure what you mean by the 4th paragraph below about the Microphone. If you're talking about the Level adjustments in the Properties window for the K3 USB Audio CODEC in the Windows Recording applet, the control is a single slide that adjusts both channels together. There is no Balance control or independent level controls for each channel. But, I don't understand what you mean about the second receiver having no impact. It's audio stream will be decoded in the MMTTY window where you've seledted the right channel. The Device Identifiers in MMTTY are just referring to the position of the soundcard device in the list on the Soundcard tab of the MMTTY Options windows. Ed W0YK Tony N2TK wrote: Presently I use an external audio board for FSK. I run two versions of MMTTY - one for the main receiver and one for the second receiver. In MMTTY > Misc tab > Source for the main receiver I select Left and in the second MMTTY I select Right. Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me to do what I am presently doing for two channels? When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get the same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. Also with my external audio board the MMTTY setups show under MISC that the Device Identifiers for RX are 3. For the CODEC it changes to 0. I did not get as far as transmitting yet using the Codec. Any comments, please? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fc...@montana.edu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Fred, That did it! I had not thought of going into the Mike> Properties > Advanced to select 2 mikes. Thanks for the tip. Audio cables gone. N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Cady, Fred [mailto:fc...@montana.edu] Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 4:47 PM To: 'N2TK, Tony' <tony@verizon.net>; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; e...@w0yk.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo Hi Tony, You may have to, I did, go into the Microphone -> properties -> advanced to select a 2 channel microphone input. Cheers, hope to hear you in the WPX. 73, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Ed Muns <e...@w0yk.com> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 2:36 PM To: 'N2TK, Tony'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo Yes, your MMTTY channel settings are fine. The USB Audio CODEC is stereo. Not sure what you mean by the 4th paragraph below about the Microphone. If you're talking about the Level adjustments in the Properties window for the K3 USB Audio CODEC in the Windows Recording applet, the control is a single slide that adjusts both channels together. There is no Balance control or independent level controls for each channel. But, I don't understand what you mean about the second receiver having no impact. It's audio stream will be decoded in the MMTTY window where you've seledted the right channel. The Device Identifiers in MMTTY are just referring to the position of the soundcard device in the list on the Soundcard tab of the MMTTY Options windows. Ed W0YK Tony N2TK wrote: Presently I use an external audio board for FSK. I run two versions of MMTTY - one for the main receiver and one for the second receiver. In MMTTY > Misc tab > Source for the main receiver I select Left and in the second MMTTY I select Right. Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me to do what I am presently doing for two channels? When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get the same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. Also with my external audio board the MMTTY setups show under MISC that the Device Identifiers for RX are 3. For the CODEC it changes to 0. I did not get as far as transmitting yet using the Codec. Any comments, please? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fc...@montana.edu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Yes, your MMTTY channel settings are fine. The USB Audio CODEC is stereo. Not sure what you mean by the 4th paragraph below about the Microphone. If you're talking about the Level adjustments in the Properties window for the K3 USB Audio CODEC in the Windows Recording applet, the control is a single slide that adjusts both channels together. There is no Balance control or independent level controls for each channel. But, I don't understand what you mean about the second receiver having no impact. It's audio stream will be decoded in the MMTTY window where you've seledted the right channel. The Device Identifiers in MMTTY are just referring to the position of the soundcard device in the list on the Soundcard tab of the MMTTY Options windows. Ed W0YK Tony N2TK wrote: Presently I use an external audio board for FSK. I run two versions of MMTTY - one for the main receiver and one for the second receiver. In MMTTY > Misc tab > Source for the main receiver I select Left and in the second MMTTY I select Right. Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me to do what I am presently doing for two channels? When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get the same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. Also with my external audio board the MMTTY setups show under MISC that the Device Identifiers for RX are 3. For the CODEC it changes to 0. I did not get as far as transmitting yet using the Codec. Any comments, please? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Here is something to check: Right-click the speaker icon in the Task Bar and select Recording devices. In the Sound window select the USB Audio Codec and click on Properties. In the Properties window click on the Advanced tab and check the Default Format. If it is set to 1 channel, ... change it to 2 channel, ... . Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set to the motherboard sound card in your PC. You should see main RX audio in the left channel. If the subRX is off, you might see a bit of leakage from the left channel in the right channel, but if the subRX is on you should only see subRX audio. When you are transmitting, if your Monitor level is non-zero you should see the transmitted signal in both channels. 73, Rich VE3KI N2TK wrote: Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me to do what I am presently doing for two channels? When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get the same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo
Rich, Thanks for your input. I had to go to the Mike input with the Codec and change to 2 channel. That took care of the issue. 73, N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard Ferch Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 4:54 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3B - FSK - stereo Here is something to check: Right-click the speaker icon in the Task Bar and select Recording devices. In the Sound window select the USB Audio Codec and click on Properties. In the Properties window click on the Advanced tab and check the Default Format. If it is set to 1 channel, ... change it to 2 channel, ... . Also, make sure that the USB Audio Codec is not selected as the Default Device or the Default Communications Device - these should both be set to the motherboard sound card in your PC. You should see main RX audio in the left channel. If the subRX is off, you might see a bit of leakage from the left channel in the right channel, but if the subRX is on you should only see subRX audio. When you are transmitting, if your Monitor level is non-zero you should see the transmitted signal in both channels. 73, Rich VE3KI N2TK wrote: > Trying to setup the CODEC on the KIO3B. Is it stereo that it will allow me > to do what I am presently doing for two channels? > > When I select Microphone (4-USB Audio CODEC) for both MMTTY's, I get the > same signal on both MMTTY's. The second receiver has no impact. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
