Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Wes]

I once owned a KWM-1.  I bought it "surplus" from a company that was selling 
aircraft parts cannibalized from Air Force planes being cut up at DMAFB's "Bone 
Yard."  I believe it was out of an RB-47.


RB-47s were overflying the USSR, with aircrews being lost, long before Gary 
Powers was shot down in his US.  I have an inscribed copy of "We See All" by Lt 
Col. Bruce Bailey, who was one of those guys.  He later piloted SR-71s and had 
many stories to tell.


The last I knew of the radio, it was in the Collins collection of Don, W7DD.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/30/2022 8:38 PM, Ed W0YK wrote:

The KWM-380 may have been a "hot radio" in some people's minds, but I can 
personally attest to the opposite.  I have one, along with a number of KWM-2As and 
S-Lines.  The 380 is a horrible performer.  The receiver is incredibly noisy, obstructing 
reception of all but the loudest signals.  The audio is distorted and filtering is poor.  
Collins' last hurrah was a dud.73,Ed W0YK


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Ed W0YK]

The KWM-380 may have been a "hot radio" in some people's minds, but I can 
personally attest to the opposite.  I have one, along with a number of KWM-2As 
and S-Lines.  The 380 is a horrible performer.  The receiver is incredibly 
noisy, obstructing reception of all but the loudest signals.  The audio is 
distorted and filtering is poor.  Collins' last hurrah was a dud.73,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: Fred Jensen  Date: 
3/30/22  18:40  (GMT-08:00) To: Scott Manthe  Cc: 
Elecraft List  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 and 
Delivery Delays There's not a lot on the web re: KWM-380 except for sales.  I 
recall little about it except that it was very expensive for the time.  I think 
the KWM-2 went for about $1,500 new? in the 60's, that would be about $15,000 
in today's money, although it wouldn't be an attractive transceiver in today' 
world.  But, a -380 was a pretty hot radio in those days.73,Fred ["Skip"] 
K6DGWSparks NV DM09dnWashoe CountyScott Manthe wrote on 3/30/2022 3:53 PM:> 
Back in the late 70s or early 80's, when I was a teenager and a > "lowly" 
Technician, one of my teenager Technician friends won a > KWM-380 at the Cedar 
Rapids hamfest. The old-timers were not amused. > I'd have preferred to win the 
radio, but barring that, seeing the > reaction of those old guys to a teenager 
Tech winning that KWM-380 was > pretty priceless. Of course, now I am one of 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

The space division of Rockwell went to Boeing. The radio / avionics division is 
still alive and well in Cedar Rapids. There was another group - semiconductor. 
I believe that has been shrunk and just does internal chips now. When I was at 
Sun Micro 20 years ago we saw a very interesting Java processor from Rockwell 
that never saw the external world. Too bad, it would have been an excellent 
solution for many problems.

Now, also discussed in this thread was Flex. Their major market is military, 
which has given them a huge advantage in getting chips and materials over the 
last couple of years. The auto industry was jealous…

73,
Jack, W6FB


> On Mar 30, 2022, at 4:55 PM, Ken K6MR  wrote:
> 
> 
> "and sold his company to Raytheon..."
> 
> Didn't he sell to Rockwell? Then I think some of Rockwell went to Boeing, but 
> I'm not sure which part was the radio part.
> 
> Can't say I've ever seen a Boeing Collins radio though :^)
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays
> 
>>> memories of one incredibly expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver
>>> [KWM-380? or something like that] before the end.
> 
> I think that was it, the KWM-380, and I remember people describing it as
> such when I saw it at W4VSV when I got my ticket. Made my first QSO on it!
> 
> Andrew NV1B
> ..
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
>> Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to a
>> small amateur one,
> 
> who, it turned out,
>> had little interest in building amateur gear. The decision to leave the
>> market was voluntary, although I have vague memories of one incredibly
>> expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or something like
>> that] before the end. I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very
>> loyal and well deserved following, but running a business is really
>> complex, and they expired well before COVID became a word. To each his
>> own.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>> 
>> Bill Cotter wrote on 3/29/2022 8:37 PM:
>>> I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of a
>>> two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and
>>> supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that
>>> Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order. Or,
>>> they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other American
>>> companies that have folded tent.
>>> 
>>> We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I
>>> ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year wait.
>>> They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL 1500W
>>> amplifier ships in the same time frame.
>>> 
>>> Go figure.
>>> 
>>> Bill N4LG
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Mike Flowers]

Thought I’d drop this in here before the thread is closed …

http://collinsradio.org/archives/manuals/KWM-380_Manual_10-79.pdf

-- 73 de Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" 

> On Mar 30, 2022, at 6:40 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> There's not a lot on the web re: KWM-380 except for sales.  I recall little 
> about it except that it was very expensive for the time.  I think the KWM-2 
> went for about $1,500 new? in the 60's, that would be about $15,000 in 
> today's money, although it wouldn't be an attractive transceiver in today' 
> world.  But, a -380 was a pretty hot radio in those days.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> Scott Manthe wrote on 3/30/2022 3:53 PM:
>> Back in the late 70s or early 80's, when I was a teenager and a "lowly" 
>> Technician, one of my teenager Technician friends won a KWM-380 at the Cedar 
>> Rapids hamfest. The old-timers were not amused. I'd have preferred to win 
>> the radio, but barring that, seeing the reaction of those old guys to a 
>> teenager Tech winning that KWM-380 was pretty priceless. Of course, now I am 
>> one of those old guys...
>> 
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2022 30 Mar 20:40 -0500, Fred Jensen wrote:
> There's not a lot on the web re: KWM-380 except for sales.  I recall little
> about it except that it was very expensive for the time.  I think the KWM-2
> went for about $1,500 new? in the 60's, that would be about $15,000 in
> today's money, although it wouldn't be an attractive transceiver in today'
> world.  But, a -380 was a pretty hot radio in those days.

The '380 was still being advertised in QST in '82 at least, maybe '83.
The Drake TR-7 was its contemporary as I recall.  Heathkit entered the
fray with the SS-9000.  Kenwood's TS-930 was probably the leader in
sales and it seems more likely to work someone with a '930 than any of
the other three these days.

73, Nate, N0NB

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Fred Jensen]

There's not a lot on the web re: KWM-380 except for sales.  I recall 
little about it except that it was very expensive for the time.  I think 
the KWM-2 went for about $1,500 new? in the 60's, that would be about 
$15,000 in today's money, although it wouldn't be an attractive 
transceiver in today' world.  But, a -380 was a pretty hot radio in 
those days.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Scott Manthe wrote on 3/30/2022 3:53 PM:
Back in the late 70s or early 80's, when I was a teenager and a 
"lowly" Technician, one of my teenager Technician friends won a 
KWM-380 at the Cedar Rapids hamfest. The old-timers were not amused. 
I'd have preferred to win the radio, but barring that, seeing the 
reaction of those old guys to a teenager Tech winning that KWM-380 was 
pretty priceless. Of course, now I am one of those old guys...


73,
Scott N9AA




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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Scott Manthe]

Back in the late 70s or early 80's, when I was a teenager and a "lowly" 
Technician, one of my teenager Technician friends won a KWM-380 at the 
Cedar Rapids hamfest. The old-timers were not amused. I'd have preferred 
to win the radio, but barring that, seeing the reaction of those old 
guys to a teenager Tech winning that KWM-380 was pretty priceless. Of 
course, now I am one of those old guys...


73,
Scott N9AA


On 3/30/22 1:40 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to 
a small amateur one, and sold his company to Raytheon who, it turned 
out, had little interest in building amateur gear.  The decision to 
leave the market was voluntary, although I have vague memories of one 
incredibly expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or 
something like that] before the end.  I don't know why Ten-Tec left, 
they had a very loyal and well deserved following, but running a 
business is really complex, and they expired well before COVID became 
a word.  To each his own.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County



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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Ken K6MR]

"and sold his company to Raytheon..."

Didn't he sell to Rockwell?  Then I think some of Rockwell went to Boeing, but 
I'm not sure which part was the radio part.

Can't say I've ever seen a Boeing Collins radio though  :^)

Ken K6MR



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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 1:24 PM
To: Fred Jensen 
Cc: Elecraft 
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>> memories of one incredibly expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver
>> [KWM-380? or something like that] before the end.

I think that was it, the KWM-380, and I remember people describing it as
such when I saw it at W4VSV when I got my ticket. Made my first QSO on it!

Andrew NV1B
..



On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:

> Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to a
> small amateur one,

 who, it turned out,
> had little interest in building amateur gear.  The decision to leave the
> market was voluntary, although I have vague memories of one incredibly
> expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or something like
> that] before the end.  I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very
> loyal and well deserved following, but running a business is really
> complex, and they expired well before COVID became a word.  To each his
> own.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Bill Cotter wrote on 3/29/2022 8:37 PM:
> > I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of a
> > two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and
> > supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that
> > Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order. Or,
> > they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other American
> > companies that have folded tent.
> >
> > We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I
> > ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year wait.
> > They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL 1500W
> > amplifier ships in the same time frame.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > Bill N4LG
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Andrew Moore]

>> memories of one incredibly expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver
>> [KWM-380? or something like that] before the end.

I think that was it, the KWM-380, and I remember people describing it as
such when I saw it at W4VSV when I got my ticket. Made my first QSO on it!

Andrew NV1B
..



On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Fred Jensen  wrote:

> Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to a
> small amateur one, and sold his company to Raytheon who, it turned out,
> had little interest in building amateur gear.  The decision to leave the
> market was voluntary, although I have vague memories of one incredibly
> expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or something like
> that] before the end.  I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very
> loyal and well deserved following, but running a business is really
> complex, and they expired well before COVID became a word.  To each his
> own.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Bill Cotter wrote on 3/29/2022 8:37 PM:
> > I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of a
> > two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and
> > supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that
> > Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order. Or,
> > they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other American
> > companies that have folded tent.
> >
> > We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I
> > ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year wait.
> > They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL 1500W
> > amplifier ships in the same time frame.
> >
> > Go figure.
> >
> > Bill N4LG
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[bill steffey]

and IF the ORION worked as it should have, out of the gate ... with a 
decent GUI ( & working) ,, they might be alive today.


I even drove down to their hamfest to look at the working ORION,,,   
which was out from the front demo tent. Someone had plugged in 
headphones and the set shutdown,,back into the shop. A few months alter 
I cancelled my order.


That receiver by Doug Smith was , I DO BELIEVE, very close in 
architecture to the K3,  And quite the performer.



On 3/30/2022 3:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/30/2022 10:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very loyal and well 
deserved following, but running a business is really complex, and 
they expired well before COVID became a word.  To each his own.


Ten Tec also depended on commercial and military biz. Their descent 
began when the last of the two founders died.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Jim Brown]

On 3/30/2022 10:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very loyal and well deserved 
following, but running a business is really complex, and they expired 
well before COVID became a word.  To each his own.


Ten Tec also depended on commercial and military biz. Their descent 
began when the last of the two founders died.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Wes]

I worked for a company that was bought out by Raytheon. I couldn't retire soon 
enough.


Wes N7WS

On 3/30/2022 10:50 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Correct, they're both "R" companies and at my age, that's enough to confuse 
them. 😉  I still don't know what precipitated the demise of Ten-Tec but I'm 
pretty sure it wasn't a pandemic.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Wes wrote on 3/30/2022 10:45 AM:

IIRC, Rockwell, not Raytheon.

On 3/30/2022 10:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to a 
small amateur one, and sold his company to Raytheon who, it turned out, had 
little interest in building amateur gear.  The decision to leave the market 
was voluntary, although I have vague memories of one incredibly expensive 
Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or something like that] before the 
end.  I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very loyal and well deserved 
following, but running a business is really complex, and they expired well 
before COVID became a word. To each his own.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Clay Autery]

It was a no-brainer for me to choose Elecraft as my equipment maker of 
choice when I entered the hobby.
Took a long time and some bit of sacrifice to do so, but I finally got 
my K3s, et al. FULLY optioned right before the parts started getting scarce.


Love ALL my Elecraft gear!

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 3/30/2022 12:03 PM, Dan Presley wrote:

Regardless of the naysayers-I just took delivery of my K4D,which indeed took a 
while,but it’s well worth the wait. Of course I drank the Elecraft koolaid 
before there was a company. Built the NC 40;Sierra and SST-all designed by 
Wayne and Eric. Then the K2,KX1,2 and 3.  I still use all of those rigs except 
the Sierra which I sold and now regret. Any company that still supports their 
first product (K2-over 20 years) and is run by avid hams that regularly use the 
radios deserves my business.

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Clay Autery]

It is supposed to be in the signature

Be well!

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 3/30/2022 12:03 PM, Wes wrote:

I didn't find his post out of line. His callsign is in his email address.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/30/2022 9:49 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

Doug,

You last response makes you come off like a gigantic "procreation tool".
I would like to think that this is not the case.  Perhaps you would 
consider "considering" your responses more completely from here forward.


And for ALL...  It is, and has always been, customary to include your 
call-sign in your signature to your responses.


Hope your day improves, Doug.

73,

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Fred Jensen]

Correct, they're both "R" companies and at my age, that's enough to 
confuse them. 😉  I still don't know what precipitated the demise of 
Ten-Tec but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a pandemic.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Wes wrote on 3/30/2022 10:45 AM:

IIRC, Rockwell, not Raytheon.

On 3/30/2022 10:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition 
to a small amateur one, and sold his company to Raytheon who, it 
turned out, had little interest in building amateur gear.  The 
decision to leave the market was voluntary, although I have vague 
memories of one incredibly expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver 
[KWM-380? or something like that] before the end.  I don't know why 
Ten-Tec left, they had a very loyal and well deserved following, but 
running a business is really complex, and they expired well before 
COVID became a word.  To each his own.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Wes]

IIRC, Rockwell, not Raytheon.

On 3/30/2022 10:40 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to a small 
amateur one, and sold his company to Raytheon who, it turned out, had little 
interest in building amateur gear.  The decision to leave the market was 
voluntary, although I have vague memories of one incredibly expensive 
Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or something like that] before the 
end.  I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very loyal and well deserved 
following, but running a business is really complex, and they expired well 
before COVID became a word.  To each his own.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Fred Jensen]

Ummm ... Art Collins had a very large military business in addition to a 
small amateur one, and sold his company to Raytheon who, it turned out, 
had little interest in building amateur gear.  The decision to leave the 
market was voluntary, although I have vague memories of one incredibly 
expensive Raytheon-Collins HF transceiver [KWM-380? or something like 
that] before the end.  I don't know why Ten-Tec left, they had a very 
loyal and well deserved following, but running a business is really 
complex, and they expired well before COVID became a word.  To each his own.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Bill Cotter wrote on 3/29/2022 8:37 PM:
I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of a 
two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and 
supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that 
Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order. Or, 
they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other American 
companies that have folded tent.


We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I 
ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year wait. 
They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL 1500W 
amplifier ships in the same time frame.


Go figure.

Bill N4LG




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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Dan Presley]

Regardless of the naysayers-I just took delivery of my K4D,which indeed took a 
while,but it’s well worth the wait. Of course I drank the Elecraft koolaid 
before there was a company. Built the NC 40;Sierra and SST-all designed by 
Wayne and Eric. Then the K2,KX1,2 and 3.  I still use all of those rigs except 
the Sierra which I sold and now regret. Any company that still supports their 
first product (K2-over 20 years) and is run by avid hams that regularly use the 
radios deserves my business. 

Dan Presley 503-701-3871
danpresley@me. com 
n7...@arrl.net


> On Mar 30, 2022, at 09:50, Clay Autery  wrote:
> 
> Doug,
> 
> You last response makes you come off like a gigantic "procreation tool".
> I would like to think that this is not the case.  Perhaps you would consider 
> "considering" your responses more completely from here forward.
> 
> And for ALL...  It is, and has always been, customary to include your 
> call-sign in your signature to your responses.
> 
> Hope your day improves, Doug.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Clay E. Autery, Jr.
> KY5G
> 
>> On 3/30/2022 10:22 AM, Doug Renwick wrote:
>> So you must be part of the topic mafia - those who are too lazy to use the
>> delete key for topics they have no interest in or more likely topics which
>> hurt their feelings.
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> Free Climbing - The ultimate test of strength and technique.
>> -Original Message-
>> 
>> Please do not start the Elecraft bashing again please, if you do not like
>> the way Elecraft works with all of us.
>> I wish you the best with your Flex 6600M and amplifier and that you have
>> all the fun with it as we are having with ours.
>> 
>> 73's
>> Paul Van Dyke
>> K4D #76
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Wes]

I didn't find his post out of line. His callsign is in his email address.

Wes  N7WS

On 3/30/2022 9:49 AM, Clay Autery wrote:

Doug,

You last response makes you come off like a gigantic "procreation tool".
I would like to think that this is not the case.  Perhaps you would consider 
"considering" your responses more completely from here forward.


And for ALL...  It is, and has always been, customary to include your 
call-sign in your signature to your responses.


Hope your day improves, Doug.

73,

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 3/30/2022 10:22 AM, Doug Renwick wrote:

So you must be part of the topic mafia - those who are too lazy to use the
delete key for topics they have no interest in or more likely topics which
hurt their feelings.

Doug


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Clay Autery]

Doug,

You last response makes you come off like a gigantic "procreation tool".
I would like to think that this is not the case.  Perhaps you would 
consider "considering" your responses more completely from here forward.


And for ALL...  It is, and has always been, customary to include your 
call-sign in your signature to your responses.


Hope your day improves, Doug.

73,

Clay E. Autery, Jr.
KY5G

On 3/30/2022 10:22 AM, Doug Renwick wrote:

So you must be part of the topic mafia - those who are too lazy to use the
delete key for topics they have no interest in or more likely topics which
hurt their feelings.

Doug

Free Climbing - The ultimate test of strength and technique.
-Original Message-

Please do not start the Elecraft bashing again please, if you do not like
the way Elecraft works with all of us.
I wish you the best with your Flex 6600M and amplifier and that you have
all the fun with it as we are having with ours.

73's
Paul Van Dyke
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Doug Renwick]

So you must be part of the topic mafia - those who are too lazy to use the
delete key for topics they have no interest in or more likely topics which
hurt their feelings.

Doug

Free Climbing - The ultimate test of strength and technique.
-Original Message-

Please do not start the Elecraft bashing again please, if you do not like
the way Elecraft works with all of us.
I wish you the best with your Flex 6600M and amplifier and that you have
all the fun with it as we are having with ours.

73's
Paul Van Dyke
K4D #76


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Paul Van Dyke]

And I believe that each one of us that is on the list knows that. I believe
our philosophy is we know there's at least a dozen OK radios out there, but
we all picked Elecraft even though at this time due the shortages, there's
a long wait. But we loyal and we know Elecraft is ahead of the game.  Those
that want to whine about Elecraft shipping times other radios, we politely
asked to go somewhere else. Elecraft is not a "off the shelf radio .. with
it you receive 2 Ceo's, and  backing of a staff that watched and improves
the radio each day. Both Flex and Elecraft have issues ... But if you are
getting a TOL radio, you did your research, and made the call... This is my
last post ... I have taken too much space on a subject that I thought was
dead as all it does is rile up people.

73's
Paul KB9AVO
K3S #11103
K4D #76
KX3 #24
KX2 #38
KXPA100 #22


On Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 6:29 AM Bill Cotter  wrote:

> Just the simple facts, Paul.
>
> If you want an upgrade from the K3S, you won't get it from Elecraft
> without a LONG wait. Not so with Flex, another American company.
> Our list members should know that there are options.
>
>
> At 12:14 AM 3/30/2022, Paul Van Dyke wrote:
> >Please do not start the Elecraft bashing again please, if you do
> >not like
> >the way Elecraft works with all of us.
> >I wish you the best with your Flex 6600M and amplifier and that
> >you have
> >all the fun with it as we are having with ours.
> >
> >73's
> >Paul Van Dyke
> >K4D #76
> >
> >On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:38 PM Bill Cotter  wrote:
> >
> > > I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of
> > > a two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and
> > > supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that
> > > Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order.
> > > Or, they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other
> > > American companies that have folded tent.
> > >
> > > We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I
> > > ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year
> > > wait. They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL
> > > 1500W amplifier ships in the same time frame.
> > >
> > > Go figure.
> > >
> > > Bill N4LG
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >You may have missed the two-year long pandemic that, among other
> > > >things, has sickened multiple Elecraft employees, caused many to
> > > >work from home, and disrupted supply chains, to the extent that
> > > >nearly all the major carmakers can't get chips to put cars on
> > > >dealers lots. Elecraft is a small company, and they're swimming in
> > > >the same ocean as the rest of us. They're 20 miles down the road
> > > >from me, and I know several of their employees, as well as the two
> > > >owners.
> > > >
> > > >73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Andrew Moore]

I'm not sure how big a company Flex is, but Elecraft is a small one doing a
great design and development and putting out some amazing products, while
having limited resources. A fair comparison might be against a company in a
similar position. Again, not saying Flex isn't (I don't know). Certainly
not the big three.

73
Andrew NV1B


On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 11:38 PM Bill Cotter  wrote:

> I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of
> a two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and
> supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that
> Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order.
> Or, they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other
> American companies that have folded tent.
>
> We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I
> ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year
> wait. They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL
> 1500W amplifier ships in the same time frame.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Bill N4LG
>
>
>
> >You may have missed the two-year long pandemic that, among other
> >things, has sickened multiple Elecraft employees, caused many to
> >work from home, and disrupted supply chains, to the extent that
> >nearly all the major carmakers can't get chips to put cars on
> >dealers lots. Elecraft is a small company, and they're swimming in
> >the same ocean as the rest of us. They're 20 miles down the road
> >from me, and I know several of their employees, as well as the two
> >owners.
> >
> >73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Paul Van Dyke]

Please do not start the Elecraft bashing again please, if you do not like
the way Elecraft works with all of us.
I wish you the best with your Flex 6600M and amplifier and that you have
all the fun with it as we are having with ours.

73's
Paul Van Dyke
K4D #76

On Tue, Mar 29, 2022 at 10:38 PM Bill Cotter  wrote:

> I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of
> a two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and
> supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that
> Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order.
> Or, they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other
> American companies that have folded tent.
>
> We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I
> ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year
> wait. They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL
> 1500W amplifier ships in the same time frame.
>
> Go figure.
>
> Bill N4LG
>
>
>
> >You may have missed the two-year long pandemic that, among other
> >things, has sickened multiple Elecraft employees, caused many to
> >work from home, and disrupted supply chains, to the extent that
> >nearly all the major carmakers can't get chips to put cars on
> >dealers lots. Elecraft is a small company, and they're swimming in
> >the same ocean as the rest of us. They're 20 miles down the road
> >from me, and I know several of their employees, as well as the two
> >owners.
> >
> >73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K4 and Delivery Delays

[Bill Cotter]

I thought long and hard about a K4, but couldn't stand the idea of 
a two year wait for whatever reasons given. If design decisions and 
supply chain choices cause you to lose customers, it says that 
Elecraft needs to have a long moment to get their house in order. 
Or, they will fall into line with TenTec, Collins and many other 
American companies that have folded tent.


We all went through the pandemic, and worked around it. So, I 
ordered a Flex 6600M and it was delivered in 8-days. No two year 
wait. They have something figured out. I was also assured the PGXL 
1500W amplifier ships in the same time frame.


Go figure.

Bill N4LG



You may have missed the two-year long pandemic that, among other 
things, has sickened multiple Elecraft employees, caused many to 
work from home, and disrupted supply chains, to the extent that 
nearly all the major carmakers can't get chips to put cars on 
dealers lots. Elecraft is a small company, and they're swimming in 
the same ocean as the rest of us. They're 20 miles down the road 
from me, and I know several of their employees, as well as the two 
owners.


73, Jim K9YC


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