Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread E.H. Russell
I'm relatively new here and really appreciate the flow of information on a
single reflector. It is easy to be selective according to the subject line,
and I often encounter interesting information about gear I'm not familiar
with.


ED / W2RF




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Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

We've been down this road before, multiple times. In the end we've always
chosen not to split the forum, which I believe was the right decision. 

For those looking for a more narrow topic space, there are presently 13
Elecraft-related groups.io forums:

  https://groups.io/search?q=elecraft

One of these is elecraft...@groups.io, which has over 500 members.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread Nr4c
Grant. No one is creating a group. It has existed since last October or 
November.  

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> On Aug 30, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Grant Youngman  wrote:
> 
> I think a comment I made started this discussion.
> 
> I don’t have any problem with anyone setting up a group for anything they 
> want.  If K4 users want a distinct group, that’s fine.  I’m a subscriber, too.
> 
> What happens more often than not, though, is that everything gets 
> cross-posted anyway.  And the replies get cross-posted, and so on.  So 
> thinking that you won’t see posts that don’t interest you on the main 
> reflector because there happens to be a single-product group is a bit 
> parochial.  And not everyone with an interest, or who might know something, 
> is going to be a subscriber to the K4 group, or vice-versa.  I do agree that 
> I expect my delete key to be very active while everyone is bragging about 
> THEIR K4 being shipped, and the unboxing videos, and the “first reaction” 
> posts, and the issues people find, especially those related to the inevitable 
> failures to RTFM, and all of that.  Anyone who’s been hanging around any new 
> product-related reflector knows what to expect, such as long OT threads about 
> 160M antennas, etc :-)
> 
> All of it is interesting.  The delete key (or its filter equivalent) can take 
> care of what isn’t.  I’ve personally learned a lot from what seems to be OT 
> posts, or posts about radios I don’t own, both here and on other lists/groups.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Nr4c  wrote:
>> 
>> The majority of readers of this list are not waiting for a K4 and therefore 
>> have little interest in a lot of traffic related to K4 shipping/deliveries. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
 On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 
> I support having a separate K4 group.
>>> 
>>> I don't. I filter each Elecraft gear item in separate subfolders under a 
>>> main folder called Elecraft.
>>> 
>>> The real problem with this is the shear lack of users of this list to 
>>> mention the type of Elecraft gear they want to talk about.
>>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread Wayne Burdick
We've been down this road before, multiple times. In the end we've always 
chosen not to split the forum, which I believe was the right decision. 

For those looking for a more narrow topic space, there are presently 13 
Elecraft-related groups.io forums:

  https://groups.io/search?q=elecraft

One of these is elecraft...@groups.io, which has over 500 members.

73,
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread KENT TRIMBLE
The majority of readers of this list own multiple Elecraft products and 
therefore do have interests in many kinds of posts.  Having them 
addressed on the official Elecraft site is both important and convenient 
for me.


A K4 is not in my plans today but I've been known to change my plans.  
Like Bill, I get tired of deleting petty "when-is-it-going-to-ship" 
posts, but that will eventually die down just as it did for the the K3 
after it was unveiled at Visalia in April of 2007 but didn't ship until 
October.  It had been rumored far earlier.


There is nothing wrong with my K2, K3, KPA500, KX3, KX2, W2, T1, XG3, 
BL2, or AX1/E.  But every once in a while a post on one of them will 
capture my interest.  I delete the rest.


As long as posters abide by the long-standing protocol of putting the 
model in the subject line (preferably at the beginning), it is easy to 
delete both single and multiple product posts with a mere mouse click.


I look forward to reading future posts by K4 owners after they actually 
own one.


73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 8/30/2020 9:39 AM, Nr4c wrote:

The majority of readers of this list are not waiting for a K4 and therefore 
have little interest in a lot of traffic related to K4 shipping/deliveries.

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread Grant Youngman
I think a comment I made started this discussion.

I don’t have any problem with anyone setting up a group for anything they want. 
 If K4 users want a distinct group, that’s fine.  I’m a subscriber, too.

What happens more often than not, though, is that everything gets cross-posted 
anyway.  And the replies get cross-posted, and so on.  So thinking that you 
won’t see posts that don’t interest you on the main reflector because there 
happens to be a single-product group is a bit parochial.  And not everyone with 
an interest, or who might know something, is going to be a subscriber to the K4 
group, or vice-versa.  I do agree that I expect my delete key to be very active 
while everyone is bragging about THEIR K4 being shipped, and the unboxing 
videos, and the “first reaction” posts, and the issues people find, especially 
those related to the inevitable failures to RTFM, and all of that.  Anyone 
who’s been hanging around any new product-related reflector knows what to 
expect, such as long OT threads about 160M antennas, etc :-)

All of it is interesting.  The delete key (or its filter equivalent) can take 
care of what isn’t.  I’ve personally learned a lot from what seems to be OT 
posts, or posts about radios I don’t own, both here and on other lists/groups.

Grant NQ5T



> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> The majority of readers of this list are not waiting for a K4 and therefore 
> have little interest in a lot of traffic related to K4 shipping/deliveries. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
 I support having a separate K4 group.
>> 
>> I don't. I filter each Elecraft gear item in separate subfolders under a 
>> main folder called Elecraft.
>> 
>> The real problem with this is the shear lack of users of this list to 
>> mention the type of Elecraft gear they want to talk about.
>> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread Nr4c
The majority of readers of this list are not waiting for a K4 and therefore 
have little interest in a lot of traffic related to K4 shipping/deliveries. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Aug 30, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>>> I support having a separate K4 group.
> 
> I don't. I filter each Elecraft gear item in separate subfolders under a main 
> folder called Elecraft.
> 
> The real problem with this is the shear lack of users of this list to mention 
> the type of Elecraft gear they want to talk about.
> 
> Many users of the K3 for example, probably the most used  gear, think: "If I 
> ask something about a setting of something everyone should know I'm talking 
> about my K3", so they end up in the main folder and I have a hard time to get 
> rid of these messages...
> 
> Messages from users of the digest that do not change the subject line:
> Those messages are filtered straight to the trash... When I close Tunderbird 
> the trash is emptied automaically.
> 
> If only we could stick to the RULE that one starts an item with the type of 
> gear I would be very happy because the filter can take good care of this.
> 
> Please use the reflector and do not divert to yahoo/google/groups.io etc. 
> Share information at one place, do not split it up.
> 
> 73,
> Peter - PA0PJE
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Op 30-08-2020 om 14:53 schreef John Bohnovic:
>> I can filter all of the Elecraft groups so that all of the messages from
>> the different groups appear in one folder. I don't do that because I
>> want them in separate folders.
>> I support having a separate K4 group.
>> 73..de John/K4WJ
>>> On 8/29/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
>>> I like having all the Elecraft discussion on this reflector. I do not
>>> consider any of it as tying up this one.
>>> 
>>> Tom w7sua ( group 2 order for a K4, have the K-Line)
>>> 
>>> On 8/26/2020 7:34 PM, Nr4c wrote:
 More likely this information will come from us as we announce the
 various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the
 reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a
 lot of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.
 
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[Elecraft] K4 info

2020-08-30 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)

I support having a separate K4 group.


I don't. I filter each Elecraft gear item in separate subfolders under a 
main folder called Elecraft.


The real problem with this is the shear lack of users of this list to 
mention the type of Elecraft gear they want to talk about.


Many users of the K3 for example, probably the most used  gear, think: 
"If I ask something about a setting of something everyone should know 
I'm talking about my K3", so they end up in the main folder and I have a 
hard time to get rid of these messages...


Messages from users of the digest that do not change the subject line:
Those messages are filtered straight to the trash... When I close 
Tunderbird the trash is emptied automaically.


If only we could stick to the RULE that one starts an item with the type 
of gear I would be very happy because the filter can take good care of this.


Please use the reflector and do not divert to yahoo/google/groups.io 
etc. Share information at one place, do not split it up.


73,
Peter - PA0PJE




Op 30-08-2020 om 14:53 schreef John Bohnovic:

I can filter all of the Elecraft groups so that all of the messages from
the different groups appear in one folder. I don't do that because I
want them in separate folders.

I support having a separate K4 group.

73..de John/K4WJ

On 8/29/2020 11:57 AM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

I like having all the Elecraft discussion on this reflector. I do not
consider any of it as tying up this one.

Tom w7sua ( group 2 order for a K4, have the K-Line)

On 8/26/2020 7:34 PM, Nr4c wrote:

More likely this information will come from us as we announce the
various stages of the delivery progress to the group on one of the
reflectors, probably the K4 group so as not to tie up this one with a
lot of traffic not of interest to the mass membership.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
I’m registered too! Sue wish there was a more detailed agenda!!

Tom W4KX

From: Macy monkeys
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?


I just registered for my free ticket to the ham expo; just looking at the 
speaker list alone, this ought to be an awesome event!

John K7FD

On Jul 7, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

>> Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
> 
> 
> Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got 
> sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual 
> replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold 
> sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9. 
> 
> We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with 
> everyone at some point.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Macy monkeys

I just registered for my free ticket to the ham expo; just looking at the 
speaker list alone, this ought to be an awesome event!

John K7FD

On Jul 7, 2020, at 1:51 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:

>> Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
> 
> 
> Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got 
> sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual 
> replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold 
> sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9. 
> 
> We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with 
> everyone at some point.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Wayne Burdick
> Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?


Eric and Margaret were planning to release some new K4 material but got 
sidetracked because of the upcoming The Expo -- in effect, a virtual 
replacement for Dayton (see www.qsotodayhamexpo.com). Elecraft is a gold 
sponsor of this on-line event, which happens August 8-9. 

We're working on new product videos, etc., which I'm sure will be shared with 
everyone at some point.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Ian Kahn, NV4C
I would suggest that, due to the unusual times in which we live, we 
can't accurately compare the K4 test cycle to anything previous. And, we 
need to account for all that in our expectations around completing 
testing, implementing new features, and product ship dates/delays.


73 de,

Ian, NV4C


On 7/7/20 12:20 PM, Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote:

Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any 
younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP,  therefore I am
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Ed W0YK
Don't recall exactly on the K3, but it was a few weeks I think.   Eric may 
remember.  OTOH, the KPA500 and KPA1500 were just a couple days before 
production units began shipping.   Still, the field testers gave a lot of input 
for FW updates before regular customers turned on their amplifiers.Each product 
is unique in this regard and production release is paced by field test closing 
the top feedback.  As we all know, free FW improvements continue the life of 
Elecraft products. 73,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: Ted Roycraft  
Date: 7/7/20  10:31  (GMT-08:00) To: e...@w0yk.com Cc: 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net, "Joseph Trombino, Jr"  Subject: 
Re: [Elecraft] K4 info? Maybe it’s apples and oranges but does anyone know how 
long field testing went on for the K3 before the first shipments were made to 
purchasers?73, Ted, W2ZKOn Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:58 PM Ed Muns  
wrote:Field Test is charging ahead with internal and external Elecraft users.  
100% focus on finalizing for production shipments.  It's worth the wait.

73,
Ed W0YK

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Joseph Trombino, Jr
Sent: 07 July, 2020 09:20
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?

Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any 
younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

                        73, Joe W2KJ
                        I QRP,  therefore I am
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Ted Roycraft
Maybe it’s apples and oranges but does anyone know how long field testing
went on for the K3 before the first shipments were made to purchasers?

73, Ted, W2ZK

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 12:58 PM Ed Muns  wrote:

> Field Test is charging ahead with internal and external Elecraft users.
> 100% focus on finalizing for production shipments.  It's worth the wait.
>
> 73,
> Ed W0YK
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On Behalf Of Joseph Trombino, Jr
> Sent: 07 July, 2020 09:20
> To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?
>
> Howdy Gang.
>
> Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?
>
> Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?
>
> I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any
> younger,(grin), therefore my query.
>
> Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.
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Re: [Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Ed Muns
Field Test is charging ahead with internal and external Elecraft users.  100% 
focus on finalizing for production shipments.  It's worth the wait.

73,
Ed W0YK

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Subject: [Elecraft] K4 info?

Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any 
younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

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[Elecraft] K4 info?

2020-07-07 Thread Joseph Trombino, Jr
Howdy Gang.

Any scuttlebutt about the K4 lately?

Weren’t we supposed to get some videos on the rig along with other info?

I ordered in September of last year and certainly not getting any 
younger,(grin), therefore my query.

Stay healthy and keep sending them ditties.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP,  therefore I am
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