Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Low Gain Fault and then distorted output

2022-05-28 Thread john
I have no knowledge regarding repairing your KPA1500.  

The KPA1500 is very inefficient at the power levels that you are using which
may be causing your RF deck failures. Perhaps the KPA500 would be better
suited?

John KK9A



wa3afs wrote:

Does not look very promising.

First, I experienced 2 back to back OVR 61 - LOW GAIN freq 10120 inp 7W fwd
40W refl 2W swr 1.5 9A 23C adc169 power 
ratio 6

and then a single FLT 61 - - LOW GAIN freq 10120 inp 7W fwd 40W refl 2W swr
1.5 9A 23C adc169 power ratio 6

After that no error indications BUT I first observed that it took double the
input power to get to my expected normal output power

and 

Then audio reports that said I had RF on my signal (when the KPA 1500 was
being used).  Running barefoot audio was normal.

Any ideas?  I generally run the KPA1500 in the range of 200 watts (30M) to
700 watts (normally around 500 watts)

DisappointedThis is the 3rd failure ( 2nd for RF deck) of my KPA1500 in
less than 2 years.


73
-- Bruce, WA3AFS

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[Elecraft] KPA1500 Low Gain Fault and then distorted output

2022-05-27 Thread wa3afs
Does not look very promising.

First, I experienced 2 back to back OVR 61 - LOW GAIN freq 10120 inp 7W fwd 40W 
refl 2W swr 1.5 9A 23C adc169 power 
ratio 6

and then a single FLT 61 - - LOW GAIN freq 10120 inp 7W fwd 40W refl 2W swr 1.5 
9A 23C adc169 power ratio 6

After that no error indications BUT I first observed that it took double the 
input power to get to my expected normal output power

and 

Then audio reports that said I had RF on my signal (when the KPA 1500 was being 
used).  Running barefoot audio was normal.

Any ideas?  I generally run the KPA1500 in the range of 200 watts (30M) to 700 
watts (normally around 500 watts)

DisappointedThis is the 3rd failure ( 2nd for RF deck) of my KPA1500 in 
less than 2 years.


73
-- Bruce, WA3AFS
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Folks - We've drifted way off of the original thread. Let's close the thread 
now.
Eric
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On 5/1/2019 12:56 PM, Wes wrote:

+1

On 5/1/2019 11:19 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
I don’t tighten pl259s with pliers. I wiggle the plug so it sets into the 
mating grooves while tightening it with my fingers and never had them get 
loose. I think that’s where folks go wrong...when the plug doesn’t set into 
the grooves. I almost need pliers to remove the plug when disconnecting it. 
At least 60 years so far this works...


Chuck Jack
KE9UW


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Bill Johnson
Great advice.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams 
definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.  
I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.

Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one large 
lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.  

What I do is, treat each connector center pin and threads with Caig DeOxit.
I do this on all connectors.  
Now I can put them on and off by hand and there is no Oxidation causing High 
Impedance RF connections.  

I do the same on my outside connectors BUT I do also apply 2 inch lbs. of 
torque.  
This keeps them from working loose with vibration and prevents oxidation.  

Ron Durie
WB4OOA
Elecraft K-Line
704-843-3681




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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Wes

+1

On 5/1/2019 11:19 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

I don’t tighten pl259s with pliers. I wiggle the plug so it sets into the 
mating grooves while tightening it with my fingers and never had them get 
loose. I think that’s where folks go wrong...when the plug doesn’t set into the 
grooves. I almost need pliers to remove the plug when disconnecting it. At 
least 60 years so far this works...

Chuck Jack
KE9UW


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I do mostly use good adapters to bnc, but really, as I tighten to snug, then 
wiggle, the barrel turns farther, each time I wiggle. I think the points nestle 
down in the grooves a surprising amount. Try it.

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On May 1, 2019, at 1:36 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> Yes but those are  Amphenol connectors.   Many "good looking" connectors  we 
> buy today have really poor plating and poor machining tolerances.   Thus all 
> "look alike" connectors aren't the same.   10 in a bag for $10..no 
> thank you.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 5/1/2019 1:32 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:
>> I agree with your process Chuck. I have never read an Amphenol document that 
>> suggests anything other than hand tight.
>> 
>> Since the barrel is knurled and has no flats for a wrench it seems certain 
>> that a wrench was not what the designer had in mind.
>> 
>> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, hawley, charles j jr  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t tighten pl259s with pliers. I wiggle the plug so it sets into the 
>>> mating grooves while tightening it with my fingers and never had them get 
>>> loose. I think that’s where folks go wrong...when the plug doesn’t set into 
>>> the grooves. I almost need pliers to remove the plug when disconnecting it. 
>>> At least 60 years so far this works...
>>> 
>>> Chuck Jack
>>> KE9UW
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>> 
> On May 1, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 5/1/2019 9:08 AM, Ron Durie wrote:
> Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams
> definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.
> I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.
 You may like that, but mother nature likes them tight. And she always wins.
>  Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one
> large lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.
 I'd call that equipment junk.
 
 73, Jim K9YC
 
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Andy Durbin
Some people who are actually interest in how a new KPA1500 could indicate a low 
gain fault keep opening these post to find they have absolutely nothing to do 
with the subject line.

How about an update on the low gain fault?  Tightening connectors has been done 
to death in other threads.

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Yes but those are  Amphenol connectors.   Many "good looking" 
connectors  we buy today have really poor plating and poor machining 
tolerances.   Thus all "look alike" connectors aren't the same.   10 in 
a bag for $10..no thank you.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 5/1/2019 1:32 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:

I agree with your process Chuck. I have never read an Amphenol document that 
suggests anything other than hand tight.

Since the barrel is knurled and has no flats for a wrench it seems certain that 
a wrench was not what the designer had in mind.

73 - Mike - K9JRI




On May 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, hawley, charles j jr  wrote:

I don’t tighten pl259s with pliers. I wiggle the plug so it sets into the 
mating grooves while tightening it with my fingers and never had them get 
loose. I think that’s where folks go wrong...when the plug doesn’t set into the 
grooves. I almost need pliers to remove the plug when disconnecting it. At 
least 60 years so far this works...

Chuck Jack
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack


On May 1, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Jim Brown  wrote:

On 5/1/2019 9:08 AM, Ron Durie wrote:
Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams
definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.
I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.

You may like that, but mother nature likes them tight. And she always wins.

  Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one
large lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.

I'd call that equipment junk.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Michael Blake via Elecraft
I agree with your process Chuck. I have never read an Amphenol document that 
suggests anything other than hand tight. 

Since the barrel is knurled and has no flats for a wrench it seems certain that 
a wrench was not what the designer had in mind. 

73 - Mike - K9JRI



> On May 1, 2019, at 2:19 PM, hawley, charles j jr  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t tighten pl259s with pliers. I wiggle the plug so it sets into the 
> mating grooves while tightening it with my fingers and never had them get 
> loose. I think that’s where folks go wrong...when the plug doesn’t set into 
> the grooves. I almost need pliers to remove the plug when disconnecting it. 
> At least 60 years so far this works...
> 
> Chuck Jack 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>>> On May 1, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Jim Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/1/2019 9:08 AM, Ron Durie wrote:
>>> Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams
>>> definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.
>>> I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.
>> You may like that, but mother nature likes them tight. And she always wins.
>>>  Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one
>>> large lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.
>> 
>> I'd call that equipment junk.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I don’t tighten pl259s with pliers. I wiggle the plug so it sets into the 
mating grooves while tightening it with my fingers and never had them get 
loose. I think that’s where folks go wrong...when the plug doesn’t set into the 
grooves. I almost need pliers to remove the plug when disconnecting it. At 
least 60 years so far this works...

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On May 1, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
>> On 5/1/2019 9:08 AM, Ron Durie wrote:
>> Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams
>> definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.
>> I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.
> You may like that, but mother nature likes them tight. And she always wins.
>>   Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one
>> large lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.
> 
> I'd call that equipment junk.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Jim Brown

On 5/1/2019 9:08 AM, Ron Durie wrote:

Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams
definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.
I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.

You may like that, but mother nature likes them tight. And she always wins.

   Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one
large lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.


I'd call that equipment junk.

73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread Ron Durie
Tightening inside PL259's with pliers is not desirable, because each Hams
definition of "SNUG" occurs at different Torque levels.  
I want to use my hands to screw them on and off.

Also, when you have SO239 chassis mounted "Round" connectors (using one
large lock washer), then pliers will loosen them every time.  

What I do is, treat each connector center pin and threads with Caig DeOxit.
I do this on all connectors.  
Now I can put them on and off by hand and there is no Oxidation causing High
Impedance RF connections.  

I do the same on my outside connectors BUT I do also apply 2 inch lbs. of
torque.  
This keeps them from working loose with vibration and prevents oxidation.  

Ron Durie
WB4OOA
Elecraft K-Line
704-843-3681




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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-05-01 Thread David Wilcox via Elecraft
Just an interesting aside.

Last night at the radio club meeting the guys were checking out a Yaesu 
controller box that will operate the az/el rotor for an ARISS contact this June 
from our local library.  No one could get it to work until someone brought in 
another connecting cable (I think it was a db 9 pin USB cable).  Voila!  It 
works.  

Just lurking on the Elecraft site I see many problems are connected to the 
incorrect cable or a faulty cable. 

Take away:  don’t throw away those cables you have been collecting over the 
years.  I have fixed a few problems over the years by trying a different cable.

David J. Wilcox K8WPE’s iPad

> On Apr 30, 2019, at 7:35 PM, Gwen Patton  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if you're talking about what I do, Bob, but I guess I should
> have said that I do that with the outdoor connectors, where they might
> encounter weather. Indoor connectors are just snugged down tight enough
> that they don't wiggle loose, since I disconnect them whenever lightning is
> in the area.
> 
> Gwen, NG3P
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 7:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
> wrote:
> 
>> A good approach for those PL-259 connectors outside or exposed to the
>> weather.   For those inside, that's a might bit aggressive. I just
>> prefer to snug them tight, a bit more than hand tight, using some small
>> channel lock pliers.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>>> On 4/30/2019 5:54 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
>>> I started using a corrosion-inhibiting lube on my PL-259s, and
>> religiously
>>> sealing them with Coax-Seal. I tighten them very tightly as well. Since I
>>> started doing that, I have no odd failures or intermittent connections in
>>> my feedlines.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Gwen, NG3P
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Gwen Patton
I don't know if you're talking about what I do, Bob, but I guess I should
have said that I do that with the outdoor connectors, where they might
encounter weather. Indoor connectors are just snugged down tight enough
that they don't wiggle loose, since I disconnect them whenever lightning is
in the area.

Gwen, NG3P

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 7:18 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
wrote:

> A good approach for those PL-259 connectors outside or exposed to the
> weather.   For those inside, that's a might bit aggressive. I just
> prefer to snug them tight, a bit more than hand tight, using some small
> channel lock pliers.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 4/30/2019 5:54 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
> > I started using a corrosion-inhibiting lube on my PL-259s, and
> religiously
> > sealing them with Coax-Seal. I tighten them very tightly as well. Since I
> > started doing that, I have no odd failures or intermittent connections in
> > my feedlines.
> >
> > 73,
> > Gwen, NG3P
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
A good approach for those PL-259 connectors outside or exposed to the 
weather.   For those inside, that's a might bit aggressive. I just 
prefer to snug them tight, a bit more than hand tight, using some small 
channel lock pliers.


73

Bob, K4TAX

On 4/30/2019 5:54 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:

I started using a corrosion-inhibiting lube on my PL-259s, and religiously
sealing them with Coax-Seal. I tighten them very tightly as well. Since I
started doing that, I have no odd failures or intermittent connections in
my feedlines.

73,
Gwen, NG3P



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Gwen Patton
I started using a corrosion-inhibiting lube on my PL-259s, and religiously
sealing them with Coax-Seal. I tighten them very tightly as well. Since I
started doing that, I have no odd failures or intermittent connections in
my feedlines.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:13 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX 
wrote:

> I've found that  hams are notorious for plugging in a multi pin
> connector and not securing the connector to be tight with the provided
> thumb screws.   The "I'll do it later, but I've got to get it on the air
> now" seems to always take precedence . The connectors will wiggle
> and back out, often leaving an intermittent connection.
>
> Likewise with PL-259 connectors.  Finger tight is simply not good enough
> for a reliable RF connection.  I use a pair of 4" Channel lock pliers to
> snug the PL-259 connectors.   And I solved many RFI issues for others
> just by tightening the PL-259's in the path.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I've found that  hams are notorious for plugging in a multi pin 
connector and not securing the connector to be tight with the provided 
thumb screws.   The "I'll do it later, but I've got to get it on the air 
now" seems to always take precedence .     The connectors will wiggle 
and back out, often leaving an intermittent connection.


Likewise with PL-259 connectors.  Finger tight is simply not good enough 
for a reliable RF connection.  I use a pair of 4" Channel lock pliers to 
snug the PL-259 connectors.   And I solved many RFI issues for others 
just by tightening the PL-259's in the path.


73

Bob, K4TAX



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP

Great, there is nothing that is more fun than an intermittent problem!
But there could have been dirt on one of the pins of the cables, and it 
may never happen again.

Maybe Elecraft engineers can give you some hints.
See you in the CWTs tomorrow!

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
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On 30/04/2019 20:55, Ed gilliland wrote:

Hi Vic, thanks.

That's the first thing I tried, should have included my checks in the
 first message.  Here is what I've done so far.

Put a dummy load on the antenna 1 port

Confirmed that the amp was on antenna port one

Checked the SWR between the K3 and the amp 1.1 without the K3 tuner

Re-seated all the cables on the KPA1500 rear panel

Tried the amp again and it works.  I have no idea what cable fixed
the problem.  I am using a back to back cable between the K3 and the
KPA1500 AUX ports but it's been installed for months and I've
experienced no problems.  We'll find out in tomorrow's CWT.  I think
I'll run the amp at 900 watts until I gain confidence.

WOW! WHAT A RELIEF!

Ed



On 4/30/2019 01:21, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

The first thing to do with any amplifier failure is to try it with
a dummy load. If the problem still occurs, you can rule out SWR or
RF feedback problems. It doesn’t seem like any of the above if it
occurs on all bands, but it’s easy and a good start to a systematic
diagnosis.

Victor 4X6GP


On 30 Apr 2019, at 5:35, Ed gilliland  wrote:

My KPA1500 is faulting with a low gain alarm ration 6.  This is
with 23 watts input 160-10 meters.  Any advice?

Thanks, Ed W5TM

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Ed gilliland

Hi Vic, thanks.

That's the first thing I tried, should have included my checks in the 
first message.  Here is what I've done so far.


Put a dummy load on the antenna 1 port

Confirmed that the amp was on antenna port one

Checked the SWR between the K3 and the amp 1.1 without the K3 tuner

Re-seated all the cables on the KPA1500 rear panel

Tried the amp again and it works.  I have no idea what cable fixed the 
problem.  I am using a back to back cable between the K3 and the KPA1500 
AUX ports but it's been installed for months and I've experienced no 
problems.  We'll find out in tomorrow's CWT.  I think I'll run the amp 
at 900 watts until I gain confidence.


WOW! WHAT A RELIEF!

Ed



On 4/30/2019 01:21, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

The first thing to do with any amplifier failure is to try it with a dummy 
load. If the problem still occurs, you can rule out SWR or RF feedback 
problems. It doesn’t seem like any of the above if it occurs on all bands, but 
it’s easy and a good start to a systematic diagnosis.

Victor 4X6GP


On 30 Apr 2019, at 5:35, Ed gilliland  wrote:

My KPA1500 is faulting with a low gain alarm ration 6.  This is with 23 watts 
input 160-10 meters.  Any advice?

Thanks, Ed W5TM

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi Ed,

Please email supp...@elecrat.com and they will dig into it immediately to help 
you resolve the problem.


If you can use the KPA1500 utility to download the 1500's config file and attach 
it to that email that will also be helpful.  (They can walk you through that 
procedure if needed.) that file includes both the amps full configuration and 
its detailed fault log.)


73,
Eric
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On 4/29/2019 7:35 PM, Ed gilliland wrote:
My KPA1500 is faulting with a low gain alarm ration 6.  This is with 23 watts 
input 160-10 meters.  Any advice?


Thanks, Ed W5TM

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-30 Thread Vic Rosenthal
The first thing to do with any amplifier failure is to try it with a dummy 
load. If the problem still occurs, you can rule out SWR or RF feedback 
problems. It doesn’t seem like any of the above if it occurs on all bands, but 
it’s easy and a good start to a systematic diagnosis.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 30 Apr 2019, at 5:35, Ed gilliland  wrote:
> 
> My KPA1500 is faulting with a low gain alarm ration 6.  This is with 23 watts 
> input 160-10 meters.  Any advice?
> 
> Thanks, Ed W5TM
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 LOW GAIN FAULT

2019-04-29 Thread Ed gilliland
My KPA1500 is faulting with a low gain alarm ration 6.  This is with 23 
watts input 160-10 meters.  Any advice?


Thanks, Ed W5TM

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