Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-08 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 

Thread closed.

I'm also sad to see anyone leave here because they feel postings aer out of 
control. While its impossible to totally lock down a list and keep it inviting, 
the opposite can also have the same effect. We do our best to keep it 
interesting here by moderating only when absolutely needed without using a 
strong hand, so please help us out by self moderating.


Many of the responses to the original poster were out of line and in violation 
of the reflector guidelines. Please DO NOT personally criticize others for their 
postings. Bug the moderator instead.. :-) Please read the list guidelines for 
guidance. In general, keep it polite, cordial and friendly.


And yes, please also self limit the number of postings in an OT thread to less 
then 3-5 postings in an attempt to keep the majority of postings here Elecraft 
related, with a small number of very -short- OT threads allowed if they are of 
general interest to this list.


73,
Eric
Moderator, when I'm not working to ship amps and radios ..
/elecraft.com/

On 7/8/2018 10:55 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
I am always sad to see a person leave a reflector due to a perception of bad 
management.  That is one less person that might help someone, or be helped...


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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-08 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z) 
I am always sad to see a person leave a reflector due to a perception of 
bad management.  That is one less person that might help someone, or be 
helped...


73s and thanks,
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On 07/08/2018 10:37 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Exactly.  Creating what they complain about.  To me... very ignorant please 
forgive

Have a great day,
Bill J


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on behalf 
of K2bew 
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:50:24 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:


After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
Reflector is to be used.

Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
becoming
what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
into
OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
20
or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.

In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.

No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
comment.  Thank you.





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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-08 Thread Bill Johnson 
Exactly.  Creating what they complain about.  To me... very ignorant please 
forgive

Have a great day,
Bill J


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of K2bew 
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:50:24 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:

> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
> has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
> Reflector is to be used.
>
> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
> becoming
> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
> Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
> into
> OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
> 20
> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>
> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
> directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>
> No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
> comment.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector (OT but always relevant I think)

2018-07-08 Thread hawley, charles j jr 
Good post. I’ve learned a lot from this reflector, and even much of the OT that 
I didn’t know I was interested in until I read it...

Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 7, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Jim Ewing  wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  In my law firm, it was interesting to observe which people chose
> to broadcast negative departure emails.  There are decent materials out
> there about how to depart a group, including how to send an email if you
> must.  See, e.g.,
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201705/seven-guidelines-making-great-goodbye
> Includes this quote among others: "Audiences expect, and therefore
> appreciate, your efforts to help them feel good about the person who’s
> leaving (or who has left) and about themselves."
> 
> It's hard for me to imagine if the writer down below did not get some good
> things from this reflector over his seven year tenure, even if from time to
> time one must separate the wheat from some chaff.  Which effort I usually
> find trivial and sometimes interesting and even productive in unintended
> ways (recent example being the thread on FT-8 which has been helpful to me
> in understanding not only the technology but also how people are reacting
> to it).
> 
> FWIW, I think Eric and Elecraft have just the right touch running this
> reflector, and I appreciate what they do and all the excellent information
> that comes from it.
> 
> Jim, N4TMM
> ---
> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
> left, your choice.
> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
> 
> Tom, k2bew
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:
>> 
>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the
> time
>> has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>> Reflector is to be used.
>> 
>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>> becoming
>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>> Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>> into
>> OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>> 20
>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>> 
>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>> directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>> 
>> No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
>> comment.  Thank you.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-07 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett 

The delete key is pretty easy to use..

There is way too much good info to leave!

W0MU


On 7/7/2018 8:32 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:

Or, just ignore the stuff they don’t like.  Some OT stuff is kind of fun.  If 
it starts to get annoying.  Just delete the thread, or skip over it.

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On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:50 PM, K2bew  wrote:


Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew


On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:

After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
Reflector is to be used.

Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
becoming
what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
into
OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
20
or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.

In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.

No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
comment.  Thank you.





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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-07 Thread Ronald Genovesi 
Oh Man….The Delete key is all the way up in the top right corner of the 
keyboard!I sprained my little finger reaching up there one day and I have 
to tell you,  the pain was excruciating!!   (:

 Ron Genovesi
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> On Jul 7, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
> 
> Or, just ignore the stuff they don’t like.  Some OT stuff is kind of fun.  If 
> it starts to get annoying.  Just delete the thread, or skip over it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Carl Jón Denbow
> P.O. Box 5714
> Athens, Ohio 45701-5714
> 
> (740) 591-8471
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
> 
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> 
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> 
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> On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:50 PM, K2bew  > wrote:
> 
>> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
>> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
>> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
>> left, your choice.
>> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
>> 
>> Tom, k2bew
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
>>> has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
>>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>>> Reflector is to be used.
>>> 
>>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>>> becoming
>>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>>> Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
>>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>>> into
>>> OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>>> 20
>>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
>>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>>> 
>>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>>> directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>>> 
>>> No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
>>> comment.  Thank you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-07 Thread Carl Jón Denbow 
Or, just ignore the stuff they don’t like.  Some OT stuff is kind of fun.  If 
it starts to get annoying.  Just delete the thread, or skip over it.

Sent from my iPhone

Carl Jón Denbow
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On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:50 PM, K2bew  wrote:

> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
> left, your choice.
> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
> 
> Tom, k2bew
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:
>> 
>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
>> has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>> Reflector is to be used.
>> 
>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>> becoming
>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>> Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>> into
>> OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>> 20
>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>> 
>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>> directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>> 
>> No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
>> comment.  Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-07 Thread rboutell 
Not trying to start a thread, but just a reminder that you can turn off
emails and still remain subscribed to the list. This is what I did long ago.
No emails arrive, but I can scan the posts through nabble, rarely reply to
one, and am still able to post a question if needed.

73, Russ - W9RB



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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector (OT but always relevant I think)

2018-07-07 Thread Jim Ewing 
Agreed.  In my law firm, it was interesting to observe which people chose
to broadcast negative departure emails.  There are decent materials out
there about how to depart a group, including how to send an email if you
must.  See, e.g.,
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201705/seven-guidelines-making-great-goodbye
 Includes this quote among others: "Audiences expect, and therefore
appreciate, your efforts to help them feel good about the person who’s
leaving (or who has left) and about themselves."

It's hard for me to imagine if the writer down below did not get some good
things from this reflector over his seven year tenure, even if from time to
time one must separate the wheat from some chaff.  Which effort I usually
find trivial and sometimes interesting and even productive in unintended
ways (recent example being the thread on FT-8 which has been helpful to me
in understanding not only the technology but also how people are reacting
to it).

FWIW, I think Eric and Elecraft have just the right touch running this
reflector, and I appreciate what they do and all the excellent information
that comes from it.

Jim, N4TMM
---
Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:

> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the
time
> has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
> Reflector is to be used.
>
> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
> becoming
> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
> Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
> into
> OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
> 20
> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>
> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
> directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>
> No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
> comment.  Thank you.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-07 Thread K2bew 
Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock  wrote:

> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
> has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
> Reflector is to be used.
>
> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
> becoming
> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
> Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
> into
> OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
> 20
> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>
> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
> directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>
> No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
> comment.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
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[Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

2018-07-07 Thread Robert Brock 
After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
has come for me to stop.  During this period of time changes that the
Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
Reflector is to be used.

Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from becoming
what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
Reflector was designed to do.  They don't know how to follow simple
guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter into
OT subjects.  One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through 20
or more responses until Eric is required to intervene.  The past week
certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.

In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
directly.  My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.

No response is needed nor desired.  Let this just stand as posted without
comment.  Thank you.
 




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