Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[John Stengrevics]

Lynn,

Yes, I sent an email to someone connected with the beacon.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Dec 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I'd at least try.  The responsible operator may not know, and might 
> be happy to find out.
> 
> I'd offer to assist.
> 
> After all, it's not a complaint, it's an opportunity to fix a problem.
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
> On 12/16/2017 7:07 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> The owner does list his Email address.  So, I would have to write a letter 
>> with who knows what degree of cooperation.  Hoping for a Elecraft technology 
>> fix!
>> John
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT]

I think I'd at least try.  The responsible operator may not know, and 
might be happy to find out.


I'd offer to assist.

After all, it's not a complaint, it's an opportunity to fix a problem.

73 -- Lynn

On 12/16/2017 7:07 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:

The owner does list his Email address.  So, I would have to write a letter with 
who knows what degree of cooperation.  Hoping for a Elecraft technology fix!

John
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[John Stengrevics]

Hi Scott,

The NB actually helps reduce the splatter.

73,

John 
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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 1:00 PM, K9MA  wrote:
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> On 12/16/2017 08:46, stengrevics wrote:
>> I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
>> helps somewhat.
> 
> Turn the noise blanker off, to make sure the NB isn't causing the splatter.  
> (Which it can.)
> 
> 73,
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[K9MA]

On 12/16/2017 08:46, stengrevics wrote:

I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
helps somewhat.


Turn the noise blanker off, to make sure the NB isn't causing the 
splatter.  (Which it can.)


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[Jim Brown]

Ham beacons are often built with el cheapo grande gear and keyed by 
means that generate clicks. There's nothing in FCC Rules that exempts 
them from requirements to transmit a clean signal.


Contact the owner, let him/her know of the problem, and that you expect 
it to be fixed.


73, Jim K9YC

On 12/16/2017 7:18 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
It has to be fixed at the source.  There is not much that can be done 
with a situation like that at the receiving end - unless as K4TAX 
suggests, it is a strong signal and something in your receiving 
antenna system is acting like a diode detector. 



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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[John Stengrevics]

Many thanks for all the suggestions.  Some points:

1.  I am literally a couple of miles from the K1MS/B beacon.  So, it has always 
been really loud here.

2.  I did change antennas & feedline recently.  I now have a 9 element LFA at 
50 feet fed with 7/8” hardline to the rotor and Messi & Paoloni Ultraflex 13 to 
the antenna.

3.  I don’t believe that the increased splatter coincided with putting up the 
new antenna & feedline.  I haven’t experienced any other antenna-related or 
other events.  The splatter from the beacon is directional.

4.  I will send K1SG an email.

73,

John
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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:13 AM, David Olean  wrote:
> 
> Hi John
> 
> I am assuming that you are referring to K1MS/b in FN42.  I know that 
> K1SG,Steve Gilbert, is involved with that beacon as well as K1MS, Ivan. They 
> contacted me to design and build a rugged small yagi for that beacon as all 
> the previous commercial ones they used fell apart in the winter.   I am sure 
> those guys would help you with the key clicks.  K1SG has his email listed on 
> QRZ.com .
> 
> 73
> 
> Dave K1WHS
> 
> 
> On 12/16/2017 2:46 PM, stengrevics wrote:
>> I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to splatter
>> all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
>> helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
>> filter setting, with little result.
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
>> suggestions for dealing with this.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[John Stengrevics]

Thanks Jon.

May well be antenna related.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:38 AM, JJ  wrote:
> 
> John,
> I'm not as close to the beacon as you but I hear it 24/7 and haven't
> noticed anything different from it.  Same chirp it's always had and nothing
> else.
> Good luck and 73,
> Jon WS1K
> 
> 
>> I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to
>>> splatter
>> 
>> all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
>> 
>> helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
>> 
>> filter setting, with little result.
>> 
>> 
>>> Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
>> 
>> suggestions for dealing with this.
>> 
>> 
>>> 73,
>> 
>> 
>>> John
>> 
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
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[Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[JJ]

John,
I'm not as close to the beacon as you but I hear it 24/7 and haven't
noticed anything different from it.  Same chirp it's always had and nothing
else.
Good luck and 73,
Jon WS1K


> I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to
>> splatter
>
> all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
>
> helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
>
> filter setting, with little result.
>
>
>> Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
>
> suggestions for dealing with this.
>
>
>> 73,
>
>
>> John
>
> WA1EAZ
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[David Olean]

Hi John

I am assuming that you are referring to K1MS/b in FN42.  I know that 
K1SG,Steve Gilbert, is involved with that beacon as well as K1MS, Ivan. 
They contacted me to design and build a rugged small yagi for that 
beacon as all the previous commercial ones they used fell apart in the 
winter.   I am sure those guys would help you with the key clicks.  K1SG 
has his email listed on QRZ.com.


73

Dave K1WHS


On 12/16/2017 2:46 PM, stengrevics wrote:

I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to splatter
all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
filter setting, with little result.

Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
suggestions for dealing with this.

73,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[Jack Brindle]

I would ask this another way. What has changed recently. It certainly sounds 
like the transmitter is at fault, but similar situations can arise in 
conditions local to your station. Have you changed your antennas? Has something 
changed in your antennas? Something in the feedline or antenna with diode 
action could cause a similar issue. This could be a discontinuity in a 
connection (rust, corrosion) or something similar that is causing mixing of two 
or more signals. Just disconnecting your antennas and listening with a short 
whip may not be good enough to find this since you are still interacting with 
the local issue.

You should take a 6m receiver out and listen to the band away from your 
station, so that you hear the transmitter without interaction of your antenna 
system. If you still hear the beacon problems, then the owner certainly needs 
to know they have an issue.

This can be a rough issue to resolve, both on your end and the transmitter 
side. So many factors may be involved that the issue gets very complex (such as 
a diode action on his side, caused by an issue in a local commercial 
transmitter). Good luck resolving it, but be aware that there will be a 
resolution.

- Jack, W6FB


> On Dec 16, 2017, at 8:46 AM, stengrevics  wrote:
> 
> I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to splatter
> all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
> helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
> filter setting, with little result.
> 
> Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
> suggestions for dealing with this.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[Don Wilhelm]

John,

It has to be fixed at the source.  There is not much that can be done 
with a situation like that at the receiving end - unless as K4TAX 
suggests, it is a strong signal and something in your receiving antenna 
system is acting like a diode detector.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/16/2017 10:07 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:

The owner does list his Email address.  So, I would have to write a letter with 
who knows what degree of cooperation.  Hoping for a Elecraft technology fix!

John
WA1EAZ


On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:

I would contact the owner and work with him to resolve the issue.   Likely 
something near the beacon antenna, such as a metal to metal joint that is 
acting like a diode and generating spurious radiation.  Or if the signal is 
strong, it could be in your antenna system causing the issue.

73

Bob, K4TAX

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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[John Stengrevics]

The owner does list his Email address.  So, I would have to write a letter with 
who knows what degree of cooperation.  Hoping for a Elecraft technology fix!

John
WA1EAZ

> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX  wrote:
> 
> I would contact the owner and work with him to resolve the issue.   Likely 
> something near the beacon antenna, such as a metal to metal joint that is 
> acting like a diode and generating spurious radiation.  Or if the signal is 
> strong, it could be in your antenna system causing the issue.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 12/16/2017 8:46 AM, stengrevics wrote:
>> I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to splatter
>> all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
>> helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
>> filter setting, with little result.
>> 
>> Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
>> suggestions for dealing with this.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

I would contact the owner and work with him to resolve the issue.   
Likely something near the beacon antenna, such as a metal to metal joint 
that is acting like a diode and generating spurious radiation.  Or if 
the signal is strong, it could be in your antenna system causing the issue.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 12/16/2017 8:46 AM, stengrevics wrote:

I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to splatter
all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
filter setting, with little result.

Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
suggestions for dealing with this.

73,

John
WA1EAZ



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Re: [Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[Mark Goldberg]

Is this a ham radio beacon? Contact the owner and let them know. It does
not sound like it is in compliance. If not a ham radio thing, still contact
the owner, as it may be suddenly broken.

Best of luck.

Mark
W7MLG

On Dec 16, 2017 7:49 AM, "stengrevics"  wrote:

I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to
splatter
all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
filter setting, with little result.

Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
suggestions for dealing with this.

73,

John
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[Elecraft] Local Beacon Splatter

[stengrevics]

I have a beacon a couple of miles from me that has recently begun to splatter
all over the 6 meter band.  I've tried adjusting the noise blanker and that
helps somewhat.  I also tried adjusting the filter width, and shifting the
filter setting, with little result.

Anyone have any experience dealing wit this issue?  Would appreciate any
suggestions for dealing with this.

73,

John
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