Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-02-01 Thread Richards 

I happen to KNOW how NF8J does it.   As suggested by another member,
here is the recipe

1)  a pound of good equipment;

2)  a dash of cunning;

3)  a large dose of patience;

4)  substantial experience and knowledge how it it all works;  and

5)   THE ABILITY TO LISTEN - probably the most important ingredient.


Paul has taught me a few things about operating, including the 
importance of LISTENING and CATCHING ON to the rhythm and flow, and 
knowing when and how to react - that includes how and when to pound the 
key or press the button and speak.


Wherefore,

TIMING, IS THE ESSENCE OF GOOD COMEDY !As in so many other things, 
and that comes from experience and the ability to listen and catch on.


Just MY take, anyway...   your mileage may differ.


--- K8JHR 



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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-02-01 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX 
As the price goes up, the market gets infinitely smaller.And 
quantity makes for profit.   I would prefer to build one million $1.00 
widgets as opposed to one $1,000,000 widget.


73
Bob, K4TAX

On 2/1/2016 6:38 AM, Jim Bolit wrote:

Would you be buyers at $10,000, $12,000, $14,000?

People that would buy right now, represent a very small market segment and 
Elecraft has already done their study on market segments and high power 
amplifiers.

It is simple math

W6AIM
JIM




 Original message 
From: Gerald Manthey <kc6...@gmail.com>
Date: 1/31/2016 11:47 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Greg Miller <gmil...@sonic.net>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

I would buy one right now.
500 is great for convenience but full legal limit would be my ultimate goal. 
Some time a little extra is all you need lol and I run QRP most the time.



On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Greg Miller <gmil...@sonic.net> wrote:

…a KPA1500 is something I would buy in a heartbeat (suppose I would need a 
KAT1500 to go with it).

-Greg NY6C


On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:

K3KO said:

“One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.”

True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar stations 
other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible integration of the 
KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch them. They just work.

My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R capital to 
bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!

Ken K6MR



On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
K3 system, Paul :-)

73, Phil W7OX


On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul

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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-02-01 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
Let's end this thread (and its proposed renamed subject version) at this time in 
the interest of relieving email overload for our readers. Its exceeded the short 
term limit for number of postings on a topic.


73,

Eric
List moderator on occasion..
/elecraft.com/

On 2/1/2016 6:03 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
As the price goes up, the market gets infinitely smaller.And quantity 
makes for profit.   I would prefer to build one million $1.00 widgets as 
opposed to one $1,000,000 widget.


73
Bob, K4TAX

On 2/1/2016 6:38 AM, Jim Bolit wrote:

Would you be buyers at $10,000, $12,000, $14,000?

People that would buy right now, represent a very small market segment and 
Elecraft has already done their study on market segments and high power 
amplifiers.


It is simple math

W6AIM
JIM




 Original message 
From: Gerald Manthey <kc6...@gmail.com>
Date: 1/31/2016 11:47 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Greg Miller <gmil...@sonic.net>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

I would buy one right now.
500 is great for convenience but full legal limit would be my ultimate goal. 
Some time a little extra is all you need lol and I run QRP most the time.




On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Greg Miller <gmil...@sonic.net> wrote:

…a KPA1500 is something I would buy in a heartbeat (suppose I would need a 
KAT1500 to go with it).


-Greg NY6C


On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:

K3KO said:

“One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics. 1500 W -> 500
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.”

True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar 
stations other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible 
integration of the KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch 
them. They just work.


My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R 
capital to bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!


Ken K6MR



On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
K3 system, Paul :-)

73, Phil W7OX


On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul

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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-02-01 Thread a45wg 
Sound words

> On 1 Feb 2016, at 12:45, Richards  wrote:
> 
> I happen to KNOW how NF8J does it.   As suggested by another member,
> here is the recipe
> 
> 1)  a pound of good equipment;
> 
> 2)  a dash of cunning;
> 
> 3)  a large dose of patience;
> 
> 4)  substantial experience and knowledge how it it all works;  and
> 
> 5)   THE ABILITY TO LISTEN - probably the most important ingredient.
> 
> 
> Paul has taught me a few things about operating, including the importance of 
> LISTENING and CATCHING ON to the rhythm and flow, and knowing when and how to 
> react - that includes how and when to pound the key or press the button and 
> speak.
> 
> Wherefore,
> 
> TIMING, IS THE ESSENCE OF GOOD COMEDY !As in so many other things, and 
> that comes from experience and the ability to listen and catch on.
> 
> Just MY take, anyway...   your mileage may differ.
> 
> 
>--- K8JHR 
> 
> 
> 
> .
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-02-01 Thread Jim Bolit 
Would you be buyers at $10,000, $12,000, $14,000?

People that would buy right now, represent a very small market segment and 
Elecraft has already done their study on market segments and high power 
amplifiers.

It is simple math

W6AIM
JIM




 Original message 
From: Gerald Manthey <kc6...@gmail.com>
Date: 1/31/2016 11:47 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Greg Miller <gmil...@sonic.net>
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

I would buy one right now.
500 is great for convenience but full legal limit would be my ultimate goal. 
Some time a little extra is all you need lol and I run QRP most the time.


> On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Greg Miller <gmil...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> …a KPA1500 is something I would buy in a heartbeat (suppose I would need a 
> KAT1500 to go with it).
>
> -Greg NY6C
>
>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Ken K6MR <k...@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> K3KO said:
>>
>> “One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500
>> Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.”
>>
>> True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar 
>> stations other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible 
>> integration of the KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch them. 
>> They just work.
>>
>> My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R capital 
>> to bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!
>>
>> Ken K6MR
>>
>>
>>> On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
>>> K3 system, Paul :-)
>>>
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>>
>>>> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>>>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>>>> and
>>>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>>>> 374
>>>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>>>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>>>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>>>> work.
>>>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>>>> hole
>>>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>>>
>>>> NF8J
>>>> Paul
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Greg Miller 
…a KPA1500 is something I would buy in a heartbeat (suppose I would need a 
KAT1500 to go with it).

-Greg NY6C

> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Ken K6MR  wrote:
> 
> K3KO said:
> 
> “One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
> Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.”
> 
> True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar stations 
> other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible integration of the 
> KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch them. They just work.
> 
> My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R capital 
> to bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> 
> On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
>> K3 system, Paul :-)
>> 
>> 73, Phil W7OX
>> 
>> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>>> and
>>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>>> 374
>>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>>> work.
>>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>>> hole
>>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>> 
>>> NF8J
>>> Paul
>> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Gerald Manthey 
I would buy one right now.  
500 is great for convenience but full legal limit would be my ultimate goal. 
Some time a little extra is all you need lol and I run QRP most the time. 


> On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Greg Miller  wrote:
> 
> …a KPA1500 is something I would buy in a heartbeat (suppose I would need a 
> KAT1500 to go with it).
> 
> -Greg NY6C
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:56 PM, Ken K6MR  wrote:
>> 
>> K3KO said:
>> 
>> “One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
>> Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.”
>> 
>> True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar 
>> stations other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible 
>> integration of the KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch them. 
>> They just work.
>> 
>> My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R capital 
>> to bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!
>> 
>> Ken K6MR
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>>> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
>>> K3 system, Paul :-)
>>> 
>>> 73, Phil W7OX
>>> 
 On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
 I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
 and
 SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
 374
 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
 pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
 switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
 work.
 The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
 hole
 to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
 
 NF8J
 Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Cliff Frescura 
Antennas?

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul
VanOveren
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:10 PM
To: elecraft reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the pwr
output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the switch
and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Nate Bargmann 
* On 2016 31 Jan 21:00 -0600, Cliff Frescura wrote:
> Antennas?

That, and I think that a new radio and a reborn interest in operating
likely had a lot to do with it for him.  At least that is the way it
worked for me.

73, Nate, N0NB

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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO 
Once you have a reasonably loud signal and an antenna that allows you to 
hear the DX, the most important attribute of a DX-oriented station is 
agility. You can tune the bands and when you hear something you need to 
be able to jump on it instantly. Get him before he's spotted and the 
pileup builds up. That's where the no-warmup, no-tuning KPA500 helps.


Once the pileup is going, you need to find the stations the DX is 
working and figure out the operator's pattern. That's where the 
subreceiver and the P3 are useful.


73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
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On 1 Feb 2016 03:09, Paul VanOveren wrote:

I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Gary 
I don't get it to be honest.
Why is there an obsession with 1500w?
Seriously, I do not believe I have 'missed' working a popular DX party because 
I DON'T  have 1500w to play with.
I do know that I can be heard amongst the cacophony of noise in a pileup. Does 
that make me work harder?sure it does, but I still get the same thrill of 
the contact and I don't have as much qrm issues in VK either..it's all 
relative?
I like my no nonsense kpa500, no more tuning up issues, no expensive amp ir 
tubes, instant on etc 
Yep I have had a big tube amp in the past and I genuinely don't miss it, really.
So yes I do enjoy my k-line and I have Wayne and Eric to thank for letting me 
enjoy my wirelessgrin
Gary 

-Original Message-
From: "brian" <als...@comcast.net>
Sent: ‎1/‎02/‎2016 12:58 PM
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

The question is why you worked 15 ATNO's.   It may be totally unrelated 
to the K LINE.

One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.  So tell me how the K 
LINE makes up for that loss and then some.

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
> K3 system, Paul :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>> and
>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>> 374
>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>> work.
>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>> hole
>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>
>> NF8J
>> Paul
>
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[Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Paul VanOveren 
I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Phil Wheeler 
It might be difficult to find anyone here to 
disagree with you about the K3 system, Paul :-)


73, Phil W7OX

On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:

I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha 374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul


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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Rose 
Operating skill and cunning?  (:-))

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Ken K6MR 
K3KO said:

“One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.”

True, and I notice it here when I get beat by other W6s with similar stations 
other than the amp.  I live with it given the incredible integration of the 
KPA500: I have the amps in a closet and never touch them. They just work.

My hope is that Elecraft becomes a giant corporation with enough R capital to 
bring back the KPA1500! Come on guys, buy more stuff!!

Ken K6MR


On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
> K3 system, Paul :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:
>> I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
>> and
>> SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
>> 374
>> 3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
>> pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
>> switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
>> work.
>> The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
>> hole
>> to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...
>>
>> NF8J
>> Paul
>

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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread brian 
The question is why you worked 15 ATNO's.   It may be totally unrelated 
to the K LINE.


One thing for sure you can't defeat the laws of physics.  1500 W -> 500 
Watts is a 4.5 dB loss.  That is huge in a pileup.  So tell me how the K 
LINE makes up for that loss and then some.


73 de Brian/K3KO

On 2/1/2016 2:39 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

It might be difficult to find anyone here to disagree with you about the
K3 system, Paul :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 1/31/16 5:09 PM, Paul VanOveren wrote:

I have worked both S Sandwich and S. Georgia Islands on 4 bands and CW
and
SSB for ATNOs, # 343 and 344 for my DXCC credits. When I sold my Alpha
374
3 holer amp and purchased the KPA 500 I was somewhat concerned about the
pwr output difference. However I have worked probably 15 ATNOs since the
switch and have NOT missed working any station that I have wanted to
work.
The P3 w/SVGA added is a great tool, particulary on CW, looking for a
hole
to call in when the DX is listening 5 to 20 Kcs up...

NF8J
Paul


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Re: [Elecraft] Love me K3 line

2016-01-31 Thread Wes (N7WS) 

Works for me.  http://qrz.com/db/N7WS


On 1/31/2016 8:31 PM, Rose wrote:

Operating skill and cunning?  (:-))

73

K0PP
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