[Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-17 Thread Phil Hystad
I am not a K3 owner but I plan to be sometime soon.  I am still in my research 
stage where I want to learn as much as I can about the K3 before I buy.  I do 
have a couple of questions...

1.  Are there options that I would be foolish not to get right up front?  My 
plan is to at least get the 100 watt option and I am seriously considering the 
ATU.


2.  Are there any custom ICs or other esoteric parts on the K3 that might limit 
its ultimate future repair life?  I have already had an old Icom 756 be judged 
passed repair do to the in-availability of a few needed ICs.


3.  Is the kit difficult to put together?  I have done a few easier kits, such 
as the Norcal40A and a few other small things of easier effort.


Thanks,
73, phil
K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-17 Thread Lyle Johnson
> 2.  Are there any custom ICs or other esoteric parts on the K3 that might 
> limit its ultimate future repair life?  I have already had an old Icom 756 be 
> judged passed repair do to the in-availability of a few needed ICs.

There are no custom ICs.  There is a custom LCD display, and of course 
the cabinetry and knobs.

> 3.  Is the kit difficult to put together?  I have done a few easier kits, 
> such as the Norcal40A and a few other small things of easier effort.

This is a "no soldering" kit.  You do have to assemble the power cable, 
and if you lack a Powerpole crimper then you have to either solder it or 
order an assembled power cable.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-17 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phil,

I can try to answer your questions.
1) All options are easily installed.  The hardest option to install is 
an additional filter for the main receiver when the Sub RX is also 
installed because the SubRX must be lifted to gain access to the main 
receiver filter slots.  Since you did not mention the SubRX with your 
initial purchase, that would not be a concern.
2) There are no custom ICs used in the design that I am aware of.
3) The kit requires no soldering (other than the APP connector on the 
power cable), so it is more akin to assembling a computer from a case 
and motherboard and plug-in cards.  There is the construction of the 
case involved, but that is mechanical assembly, just follow the 
instructions and use a good #1 phillips screwdriver.  It is not 
difficult unless your manual dexterity is poor.

73,
Don W3FPR

Phil Hystad wrote:
> I am not a K3 owner but I plan to be sometime soon.  I am still in my 
> research stage where I want to learn as much as I can about the K3 before I 
> buy.  I do have a couple of questions...
>
> 1.  Are there options that I would be foolish not to get right up front?  My 
> plan is to at least get the 100 watt option and I am seriously considering 
> the ATU.
>
>
> 2.  Are there any custom ICs or other esoteric parts on the K3 that might 
> limit its ultimate future repair life?  I have already had an old Icom 756 be 
> judged passed repair do to the in-availability of a few needed ICs.
>
>
> 3.  Is the kit difficult to put together?  I have done a few easier kits, 
> such as the Norcal40A and a few other small things of easier effort.
>
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-17 Thread Mike
Phil -
I put mine together a month ago. It's not difficult, but it is tedious. 
It took me about 12-14 hours.
You'll need an anti static mat and wristband. I ordered mine from Radio 
Shack (276-2370).

I got the 100W PA, ATU, 6M preamp and 2.8, 400 and 250 8 pole filters. 
That suits my operating preferences, SSB, CW and digital. Consider what 
you do. It's not difficult to add pieces later, and if you build it, 
you'll already know how.

There is a learning curve associated with operating it to it's fullest, 
but it's a really fun ride. Go for it.

73, Mike NF4L


Phil Hystad wrote:
> I am not a K3 owner but I plan to be sometime soon.  I am still in my 
> research stage where I want to learn as much as I can about the K3 before I 
> buy.  I do have a couple of questions...
>
> 1.  Are there options that I would be foolish not to get right up front?  My 
> plan is to at least get the 100 watt option and I am seriously considering 
> the ATU.
>
>
> 2.  Are there any custom ICs or other esoteric parts on the K3 that might 
> limit its ultimate future repair life?  I have already had an old Icom 756 be 
> judged passed repair do to the in-availability of a few needed ICs.
>
>
> 3.  Is the kit difficult to put together?  I have done a few easier kits, 
> such as the Norcal40A and a few other small things of easier effort.
>
>
> Thanks,
> 73, phil
> K7PEH
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3

2009-11-17 Thread Fred Atchley
Phil, you pose some great questions. Here goes:

 

1.  The one option I would not get is the high accuracy oscillator.but
that's just me.

 

2.  As far as esoteric parts are concerned, Maybe Eric or Wayne should
answer that one.

I had an Orion 1 a couple of years back. But it did not have an internal
tuner. At that time 

There was no upgrade path, so I looked into the Orion 2. (Too expensive) but
then learned 

That the manufacturer of the signal processor in the Orion 1 had
discontinued their part!

I don't know what became of that issue but I didn't want to become a victim
of "passed repair".

I tried an OMNI VII for a few months but its receiver didn't measure up to
the Orion's.

That's when I decided to try the K3 kit and I have been totally happy with
it and support.

 

3.  Assembly is a piece of cake, even for a 73 year old like me. There
is one caveat.

Protect your investment by using electrostatic pad and wrist strap.

 

Hope this helps. 73, Fred AE6IC

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-18 Thread Jon K Hellan
Phil Hystad wrote:
> I am not a K3 owner but I plan to be sometime soon.  I am still in my 
> research stage where I want to learn as much as I can about the K3 before I 
> buy.  I do have a couple of questions...
> 
> 1.  Are there options that I would be foolish not to get right up front?  My 
> plan is to at least get the 100 watt option and I am seriously considering 
> the ATU.

Get the ATU. For me, it's tuned everything my manual MFJ tuner would tune.
If you're interested in digital or CW, get a narrow filter - I'd say 400 or 500 
Hz.

73
Jon LA4RT
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-18 Thread d.cutter
Agree about the ATU, astonishing.  If you use a multiband doublet, say, get the 
atu.

Most folk advise that filters are only to needed if you are in a contest with 
*very* strong signals or if you have a close neighbour with very strong signal. 
 If you are not sure about spending the money, try the K3 on your usual 
activities then retrofit only if needed.  Mostly, bringing in the attenuator 
will do that job.  

David
G3UNA


 Jon K Hellan  wrote: 
> Phil Hystad wrote:
> > I am not a K3 owner but I plan to be sometime soon.  I am still in my 
> > research stage where I want to learn as much as I can about the K3 before I 
> > buy.  I do have a couple of questions...
> > 
> > 1.  Are there options that I would be foolish not to get right up front?  
> > My plan is to at least get the 100 watt option and I am seriously 
> > considering the ATU.
> 
> Get the ATU. For me, it's tuned everything my manual MFJ tuner would tune.
> If you're interested in digital or CW, get a narrow filter - I'd say 400 or 
> 500 Hz.
> 
> 73
> Jon LA4RT
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...

2009-11-18 Thread Matt Zilmer
Ditto - get the ATU.  Very useful for non-resonant (er, non-50 ohm
feedpoint) antennas.

I run the ATU on a 160m dipole used on all bands 160m - 10m.  No
worries.  Just make sure the feedline is 1/8-wave on the lowest band
and the ATU will bring your K3 50 + j0 ohms.

I also use the ATU on a homebrew vertical for 40-30-20-17m.  It helps
touch up the SWR just a little at the band ends.

Early on, I found that running the ATU in the presence of RF feedback
generally doesn't work so well.  Just what I was taught (the K3 was
unhappy too).  But the right choice of long wire length will let it do
its thing comfortably.  Just make sure the feedpoint is reasonably
distant from the shack.

73,
matt W6NIA
K3 #24


On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:59:31 +0100, you wrote:

>Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I am not a K3 owner but I plan to be sometime soon.  I am still in my 
>> research stage where I want to learn as much as I can about the K3 before I 
>> buy.  I do have a couple of questions...
>> 
>> 1.  Are there options that I would be foolish not to get right up front?  My 
>> plan is to at least get the 100 watt option and I am seriously considering 
>> the ATU.
>
>Get the ATU. For me, it's tuned everything my manual MFJ tuner would tune.
>If you're interested in digital or CW, get a narrow filter - I'd say 400 or 
>500 Hz.
>
>73
>Jon LA4RT
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[Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread Phil Hystad
Gang,

Thanks for all the great e-mails and answers to my first round of K3 questions. 
 Lots of good information and advice.  I do have a few more questions but I 
will limit these of one question at a time.


Several people have advised to get the sub-receiver option.  Now, this really 
puts me on the fence as I have a sub-receiver in my Icom Pro III and I almost 
never use it.  Actually, I have never used it in an actual QSO, I have merely 
played with it from time to time.

So, my first question is, "Why do I want a sub-receiver?"...

Maybe a little about my background helps.  I got into ham radio as a novice 
(WN7ECQ) back in the mid-1960s.  Ham radio was very rudimentary back then with 
CW mode only, a transmitter and a few crystals, but a very good receiver 
(Hammarlund, HQ-170AC).  Then, after the Novice one-year license expired I let 
the hobby go silent for 38 years.  I was relicensed and back on the air in 
February/March 2004 with a used Icom 756 transceiver.

But, my operating style reflects a lot of my Novice experience rooted in the 
technology and practices of the 1960s.  Mostly CW, some SSB for some of the 
evening nets and other stuff when the band is hot and a periodically scheduled 
SSB QSO with some of my ham friends from back in those 1960 days.  Not much of 
a contester but I very much like the technology aspect, experimentation, SDR, 
and so on.  And, I am always looking to do new things that capture my interest.

So, I may be missing out on a huge corner of this hobby by not even knowing how 
someone makes use of a sub-receiver.  Thus, my question.

73,
phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Maybe you don't need the sub-reciever Phil, but I have one and I use it a lot.

Here is what I do.  When I am working split, I tune the DX with the main 
receiver then push the A>B button to get the same frequency into the 
sub-receiver and press sub.  I adjust the volume on the sub and then when I 
determine as much as I can about where he is listening from him, the jerks on 
his frequency and the cluster I go  looking for a spot to call with the main 
receiver.  I can listen to my transmit frequency to be sure there is not a QSO 
on it while I listen to the DX and make my calls.  If the propagation is right 
and I am lucky, sometimes I can find where the DX is working and get a little 
advantage.

Sometimes when I am monitoring a dead band, like ten or six I sit one receiver 
on the SSB calling frequency and one on the CW calling frequency.

The sub-receiver must not be essential because a lot of us were using K3s 
before it was available.  But I sure like to have the sub-receiver and use it a 
lot.

Ancient Age is no excuse.  I am 69 years young and been licensed since 1956.  
My first rig was a BC-455 Command Receiver and a home brew 6AG7/6BQ6 
transmitter that ran 35 watts input and maybe 20 watts output as guessed with a 
40 watt light bulb about half brilliance.
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: Phil Hystad 
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:23:06 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

Gang,

Thanks for all the great e-mails and answers to my first round of K3 
questions.  Lots of good information and advice.  I do have a few more 
questions but I will limit these of one question at a time.


Several people have advised to get the sub-receiver option.  Now, this really 
puts me on the fence as I have a sub-receiver in my Icom Pro III and I almost 
never use it.  Actually, I have never used it in an actual QSO, I have merely 
played with it from time to time.

So, my first question is, "Why do I want a sub-receiver?"...

Maybe a little about my background helps.  I got into ham radio as a novice 
(WN7ECQ) back in the mid-1960s.  Ham radio was very rudimentary back then with 
CW mode only, a transmitter and a few crystals, but a very good receiver 
(Hammarlund, HQ-170AC).  Then, after the Novice one-year license expired I let 
the hobby go silent for 38 years.  I was relicensed and back on the air in 
February/March 2004 with a used Icom 756 transceiver.

But, my operating style reflects a lot of my Novice experience rooted in the 
technology and practices of the 1960s.  Mostly CW, some SSB for some of the 
evening nets and other stuff when the band is hot and a periodically scheduled 
SSB QSO with some of my ham friends from back in those 1960 days.  Not much of 
a contester but I very much like the technology aspect, experimentation, SDR, 
and so on.  And, I am always looking to do new things that capture my interest.

So, I may be missing out on a huge corner of this hobby by not even knowing how 
someone makes use of a sub-receiver.  Thus, my question.

73,
phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread Vic K2VCO
Phil Hystad wrote:

> So, my first question is, "Why do I want a sub-receiver?"...

I use it for two things:

1) Diversity reception. I find that weak CW reception is greatly improved with 
diversity. 
For example, on 40M, I use a dipole connected to the main antenna and a small 
vertical on 
the subreceiver. When the signal fades on one antenna, it often comes up on the 
other. And 
the response to noise seems to be different in the two receivers. The result it 
that far 
fewer characters are 'questionable', and copy is easier.

2) Pileups. I listen to the DX station on the main receiver and the pileup in 
the sub; the 
K3 is in split mode so it will transmit on the sub's frequency.  I have the K3 
set up to 
use the same antenna in this case, but I use a narrow bandwidth in the main and 
a wider 
one in the sub. I have set the K3 to send the main signal to both ears and the 
sub only to 
the left in this mode. This allows me to easily pick out the station that the 
DX is 
working and be on the right frequency when I call him.

This sounds complicated, but the K3 is designed to do this stuff (the antenna 
setup is 
sticky for diversity/non-diversity, and the channelization of the audio only 
affects 
non-diversity). Combined with the macro capability, it takes ONE button-press 
on the K3 to 
activate either of these modes.

-- 
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread Phil Hystad
Dave,

Thanks for your comments and I do agree with the notion that given that the K3 
is so modular that "...you can always add it later"  -- albeit, with a but and 
a however...

But and However -- I hear that there is an extra degree of complexity and 
rework to put in the sub-receiver later so if I think I might want it later 
then it behooves me to get it up front.  Now, I am still on the fence, it may 
come down to the cost of the whole configuration.

phil

On Nov 18, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Dave, W8OV wrote:

> Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Gang,
>> Thanks for all the great e-mails and answers to my first round of K3 
>> questions.  Lots of good information and advice.  I do have a few more 
>> questions but I will limit these of one question at a time.
>> Several people have advised to get the sub-receiver option.  Now, this 
>> really puts me on the fence as I have a sub-receiver in my Icom Pro III and 
>> I almost never use it.  Actually, I have never used it in an actual QSO, I 
>> have merely played with it from time to time.
>> So, my first question is, "Why do I want a sub-receiver?"...
>> Maybe a little about my background helps.  I got into ham radio as a novice 
>> (WN7ECQ) back in the mid-1960s.  Ham radio was very rudimentary back then 
>> with CW mode only, a transmitter and a few crystals, but a very good 
>> receiver (Hammarlund, HQ-170AC).  Then, after the Novice one-year license 
>> expired I let the hobby go silent for 38 years.  I was relicensed and back 
>> on the air in February/March 2004 with a used Icom 756 transceiver.
>> But, my operating style reflects a lot of my Novice experience rooted in the 
>> technology and practices of the 1960s.  Mostly CW, some SSB for some of the 
>> evening nets and other stuff when the band is hot and a periodically 
>> scheduled SSB QSO with some of my ham friends from back in those 1960 days.  
>> Not much of a contester but I very much like the technology aspect, 
>> experimentation, SDR, and so on.  And, I am always looking to do new things 
>> that capture my interest.
>> So, I may be missing out on a huge corner of this hobby by not even knowing 
>> how someone makes use of a sub-receiver.  Thus, my question.
>> 73,
>> phil, K7PEH
> 
> Phil,
> 
> My operating sounds somewhat like yours.  Mostly casual ragchewing, piddling 
> around in contests, but not seriously.  I had a subreceiver in my previous 
> transceiver, but decided to save the money when I ordered the K3.  I don't 
> miss it at all.  I am able to work split without it on the few occasions I 
> need it.  The beauty of the modular system is that if you decide you need it, 
> you can always add it later.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, W8OV

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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phil,

Believe me, it is not much more trouble to install the SubRX later than 
it is during the initial construction.
I think the biggest headache of adding the SubRX is  routing the 
cables.   Some will say that removing the Front Panel to add the 2nd DSP 
board is the hardest part, but if you have assembled your K3 from the 
kit version, it will be easy for you.  That feeling of difficulty is 
natural for those who have purchased a factory built K3.  One of the 
advantages of building the kit version is that you do become familiar 
with how it goes together.

I would even say that if you are mostly a casual operator (and 
especially if you are working on a budget), you may want to order only 
the basic K3 (plus KAT3 if you do not have all resonant antennas) and 
operate it for a while before deciding on the additional filters and 
options that you would like to have in it.  Once the SubRX is in place, 
adding filters to the main board is more difficult, so you ideally would 
want to determine the filter set you want to end up in both the main and 
SubRX before actually adding the SubRX - that is only my opinion, others 
may (and will) differ.

73,
Don W3FPR

Phil Hystad wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for your comments and I do agree with the notion that given that the 
> K3 is so modular that "...you can always add it later"  -- albeit, with a but 
> and a however...
>
> But and However -- I hear that there is an extra degree of complexity and 
> rework to put in the sub-receiver later so if I think I might want it later 
> then it behooves me to get it up front.  Now, I am still on the fence, it may 
> come down to the cost of the whole configuration.
>
> phil
>   
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread Andrew Faber
Phil,
 It's no big deal to add the subrx later.  Don't make a decision based on 
that as an issue.
  73, andy, ae6y
- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Hystad" 
To: "Dave, W8OV" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module


> Dave,
>
> Thanks for your comments and I do agree with the notion that given that 
> the K3 is so modular that "...you can always add it later"  -- albeit, 
> with a but and a however...
>
> But and However -- I hear that there is an extra degree of complexity and 
> rework to put in the sub-receiver later so if I think I might want it 
> later then it behooves me to get it up front.  Now, I am still on the 
> fence, it may come down to the cost of the whole configuration.
>
> phil
>
> On Nov 18, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Dave, W8OV wrote:
>
>> Phil Hystad wrote:
>>> Gang,
>>> Thanks for all the great e-mails and answers to my first round of K3 
>>> questions.  Lots of good information and advice.  I do have a few more 
>>> questions but I will limit these of one question at a time.
>>> Several people have advised to get the sub-receiver option.  Now, this 
>>> really puts me on the fence as I have a sub-receiver in my Icom Pro III 
>>> and I almost never use it.  Actually, I have never used it in an actual 
>>> QSO, I have merely played with it from time to time.
>>> So, my first question is, "Why do I want a sub-receiver?"...
>>> Maybe a little about my background helps.  I got into ham radio as a 
>>> novice (WN7ECQ) back in the mid-1960s.  Ham radio was very rudimentary 
>>> back then with CW mode only, a transmitter and a few crystals, but a 
>>> very good receiver (Hammarlund, HQ-170AC).  Then, after the Novice 
>>> one-year license expired I let the hobby go silent for 38 years.  I was 
>>> relicensed and back on the air in February/March 2004 with a used Icom 
>>> 756 transceiver.
>>> But, my operating style reflects a lot of my Novice experience rooted in 
>>> the technology and practices of the 1960s.  Mostly CW, some SSB for some 
>>> of the evening nets and other stuff when the band is hot and a 
>>> periodically scheduled SSB QSO with some of my ham friends from back in 
>>> those 1960 days.  Not much of a contester but I very much like the 
>>> technology aspect, experimentation, SDR, and so on.  And, I am always 
>>> looking to do new things that capture my interest.
>>> So, I may be missing out on a huge corner of this hobby by not even 
>>> knowing how someone makes use of a sub-receiver.  Thus, my question.
>>> 73,
>>> phil, K7PEH
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>> My operating sounds somewhat like yours.  Mostly casual ragchewing, 
>> piddling around in contests, but not seriously.  I had a subreceiver in 
>> my previous transceiver, but decided to save the money when I ordered the 
>> K3.  I don't miss it at all.  I am able to work split without it on the 
>> few occasions I need it.  The beauty of the modular system is that if you 
>> decide you need it, you can always add it later.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Dave, W8OV
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Re: [Elecraft] Newbie Questions for K3...subreceiver module

2009-11-18 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Phil wrote: 

I hear that there is an extra degree of complexity and rework to put in the
sub-receiver later so if I think I might want it later then it behooves me
to get it up front.  Now, I am still on the fence, it may come down to the
cost of the whole configuration.

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Phil, go to www.elecraft.com and download the KRX3 manual. It contains the
full installation instructions written for someone who may have never opened
up a K3 before. That should give you a good idea of the amount of work
involved. 

Ron AC7AC


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