Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
Thanks for all the help with this. I had figured it was some kind of temp issue, but I had no idea what it involved. I looked through the KX3 manual and I thought I looked through the KBC3 manual and couldn't find it. Apparently I just missed it. Thanks again. 73, Joel - W4JBB On 9/30/13 5:12 AM, Joel Black wrote: I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
The error message could be better, too. I was mystified and I know about the temp sensor in the battery charger. Perhaps it should be OVER 40C and UNDER 0C, especially because you do different things in those two cases. There probably isn't room to say BAT OVER 40C, which would be even better. Also, it would be nice to have the battery charger info integrated into the main manual and marked as optional. Maybe that update can happen after the 2m module is done. That will build out the originally-planned set of options. wunder K^WRU On Oct 1, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Joel Black wrote: Thanks for all the help with this. I had figured it was some kind of temp issue, but I had no idea what it involved. I looked through the KX3 manual and I thought I looked through the KBC3 manual and couldn't find it. Apparently I just missed it. Thanks again. 73, Joel - W4JBB On 9/30/13 5:12 AM, Joel Black wrote: I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
Wow! I sent this message around 11:00pm PDT last night and it made it to the list 9 hours later. May be my fault, though. I didn't check my outbox to be sure it actually went out before I shut down last night. Mark KE6BB From: Mark Petiford rv6am...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 8:01 AM To: Joel Black w4...@charter.net; elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C Your NiMH cells are at or almost fully charged. Near the end of the charge cycle, the NiMH cells convert more and more of the charge current to heat, and less to chemical conversion (charging). When the cells reach 40deg. C, the KXBC3 suspends charging until the cell temperatures drop below 40 deg. C. It will continue the charge cycle at that time. This is all normal. Reference Elecraft KXBC3 Installation and Operation Rev A2, page 4. Mark KE6BB From: Joel Black w4...@charter.net Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
Re: ...it would be nice to have the battery charger info integrated into the main manual... Good idea, Walter. I think that is the main cause of confusion and the source of the questions on this list and the Yahoo group. The factory built folks probably never look at the installation instructions for the battery charger, so they can't find an explanation. Even the kit builders may not notice the very short explanation in the charger installation manual since it is buried in there. When we get an error message, most of us grab the KX3 owners manual and turn to the error code matrix near the back. It isn't in that matrix, though. Mark KE6BB From: Walter Underwood wun...@wunderwood.org Sent: Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:56 AM To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C The error message could be better, too. I was mystified and I know about the temp sensor in the battery charger __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
I would suggest BAT TEMP as being about the same length and more descriptive. Sure, it's not as informative (it doesn't tell you what the BAT TEMP should be) but it's probably enough to send you to the right documentation. On 10/1/2013 7:45 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: The error message could be better, too. I was mystified and I know about the temp sensor in the battery charger. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Not 0-40C
I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
I'm just guessing but it sounds like a temperature limit. Mark. AD5SS On Sep 30, 2013 5:13 AM, Joel Black w4...@charter.net wrote: I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __**__**__ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/**mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.**htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:elecr...@mailman.qth.**net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
Hi Joel, I have seen the message once while I was charging my eneloop batteries using a 16 h charge. I am not completely sure if the KX3 was on, but I think so. As far as I know, the message occurs when the batteries are getting too warm while charging, don't know if this is said in the KX3 manual or the battery charger manual (but in one of the two). In my case, it took about one hour before the KX3 went back into charging and completed the task. Greetings Ralf, DL6OAP Am 30.09.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Joel Black w4...@charter.net: I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
The KXBC3 is simply shutting off the charge current until the cell temperatures drop back to the 0 to 40 deg. C charging temperature range. Charging will continue once that happens. (Reference: Elecraft KXBC3 Installation and Operation Rev A2, page 4). Just another example of the protections Elecraft built into this radio. The temperature increase normally occurs near the end of the charge cycle as the NiMH cells approach the fully charged condition. Since the KXBC3is a constant current charger, it will attempt to keep pushing about 200ma into the cells. Once fully charged, the cells cannot turn the power into the chemical change (charging), so they convert it to heat. It is normal to see this near the end of the charge cycle in NiMH cells. Mark KE6BB From: Ralf Wilhelm r...@super-deutschland.net Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 5:36 AM To: Joel Black w4...@charter.net CC: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C Hi Joel, I have seen the message once while I was charging my eneloop batteries using a 16 h charge. I am not completely sure if the KX3 was on, but I think so. As far as I know, the message occurs when the batteries are getting too warm while charging, don't know if this is said in the KX3 manual or the battery charger manual (but in one of the two). In my case, it took about one hour before the KX3 went back into charging and completed the task. Greetings Ralf, DL6OAP Am 30.09.2013 um 12:12 schrieb Joel Black w4...@charter.net: I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C
Your NiMH cells are at or almost fully charged. Near the end of the charge cycle, the NiMH cells convert more and more of the charge current to heat, and less to chemical conversion (charging). When the cells reach 40deg. C, the KXBC3 suspends charging until the cell temperatures drop below 40 deg. C. It will continue the charge cycle at that time. This is all normal. Reference Elecraft KXBC3 Installation and Operation Rev A2, page 4. Mark KE6BB From: Joel Black w4...@charter.net Sent: Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Not 0-40C I got the following message on my KX3 yesterday: Not 0-40C I was using a 16 hr charge. At some point during the day, I turned it on, tuned it to 30 m and was just listening. Later on, I turned the radio off. That is when I got the message. I have not seen this message and don't remember seeing anything about it on the reflector (but that doesn't mean anything with my CRS). I also looked in the manual and searched the PDF manual for 40c and couldn't find anything. I disconnected the power supply and the message stayed (yes unplugged from any power source except the internal batteries). After a little while (I don't remember how long), I plugged it back up and it started charging again. Has anyone seen this before and knows what it is? Thanks. 73, Joel - W4JBB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
