Re: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
Well said Rick! Rick Tavan N6XI wrote: A few of you have expressed grave disappointment that Elecraft has been unable to predict future availability accurately. Some of you have even suggested that this is part of some kind of nefarious plot. I assure you it is not. If you can not tolerate delays in the delivery of new technology, I urge you to vote with your checkbooks. Simply refrain from ordering these new products, cancel your delayed orders if you must and, above all, hold your tongues. This reflector is sponsored by Elecraft as a forum for exchange of hints and kinks and a channel for both formal and informal support. I find it amazing that they have not yet chosen to make it a moderated forum where someone can censor the cheap shots that have, frankly, gotten out of hand. My Mom taught me If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Of course, that advice does not hold universally but in a public forum like an email reflector it should be a cardinal rule. How would you like it if someone posted billboards on your house announcing every mistake you had ever made? What if some of them were inaccurate, incorrect or marginally libelous? One of my mentors in business, a highly decorated entrepreneur, media pundit and investor, taught his people to Praise publicly, criticize privately. Please take that advice.Thisreflector is one of the great things about Elecraft and I urge you all to think three times before posting criticisms: Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it helpful? If the answer to any of these questions is no or maybe, be a decent human being, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't post it. Send email directly to Elecraft instead. They will read it and respond appropriately. Elecraft is a company, a collection of imperfect individuals trying hard to do as a team what no one person could do alone. They make mistakes as we all do. I have never seen another company so willing to admit their mistakes and inform their public. Yes, they have published some bad news. In fact, they publish more bad news about product development delays than many companies ... because most companies don't publish bad news at all! Nor do they provide a public forum where their failings can be discussed as easily as their successes. I admire Elecraft and wish all my other vendors were as candid. Heck, I wish any of my other vendors were as candid. If you can't tolerate product delays, don't order new stuff. Don't order anything unless it is available off the shelf. Given the vitriol of some on this reflector, I should advise them never to order anything without a signed, custom contract of performance. They won't get such a contract from ham radio vendors but they won't be let down, either. Elecraft has delivered a series of outstanding products and developed a well-deserved reputation for technical excellence, product innovation and the finest support in the amateur radio product business. The K3 is the best radio I have ever used, right now and despite lacking a few promised features. In fact, I was able to say that six months ago when it had far more rough edges than remain today. I, too, pine for the sub-receiver. I even sold my FT-1000MP to make room for the K3, knowing full well that until the sub came out I was compromising my ability to work split-frequency DX pileups. I can deal with that. If you can't, just wait. But above all, please be civil. The Elecraft team are a handful of the finest engineers, business people and human beings I have had the pleasure to know. They do not always deliver their dreams on schedule but they definitely do deliver and they deserve better treatment than some of you are dishing out on this reflector which they sponsor. The majority of contributors to the reflector make me proud to be a customer. The few whose whining, accusations and rants are spoiling this corner of our hobby make me ashamed of the low level of social training some of us received as children. Please take your venom elsewhere. Now, can we return to our regularly scheduled programming of Elecraft product questions and answers, hints and kinks and general good will? Thanks and 73, /Rick N6XI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
AMEN - Original Message - From: Rick Tavan N6XI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 11:43 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up! A few of you have expressed grave disappointment that Elecraft has been unable to predict future availability accurately. Some of you have even suggested that this is part of some kind of nefarious plot. I assure you it is not. If you can not tolerate delays in the delivery of new technology, I urge you to vote with your checkbooks. Simply refrain from ordering these new products, cancel your delayed orders if you must and, above all, hold your tongues. This reflector is sponsored by Elecraft as a forum for exchange of hints and kinks and a channel for both formal and informal support. I find it amazing that they have not yet chosen to make it a moderated forum where someone can censor the cheap shots that have, frankly, gotten out of hand. My Mom taught me If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Of course, that advice does not hold universally but in a public forum like an email reflector it should be a cardinal rule. How would you like it if someone posted billboards on your house announcing every mistake you had ever made? What if some of them were inaccurate, incorrect or marginally libelous? One of my mentors in business, a highly decorated entrepreneur, media pundit and investor, taught his people to Praise publicly, criticize privately. Please take that advice.Thisreflector is one of the great things about Elecraft and I urge you all to think three times before posting criticisms: Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it helpful? If the answer to any of these questions is no or maybe, be a decent human being, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't post it. Send email directly to Elecraft instead. They will read it and respond appropriately. Elecraft is a company, a collection of imperfect individuals trying hard to do as a team what no one person could do alone. They make mistakes as we all do. I have never seen another company so willing to admit their mistakes and inform their public. Yes, they have published some bad news. In fact, they publish more bad news about product development delays than many companies ... because most companies don't publish bad news at all! Nor do they provide a public forum where their failings can be discussed as easily as their successes. I admire Elecraft and wish all my other vendors were as candid. Heck, I wish any of my other vendors were as candid. If you can't tolerate product delays, don't order new stuff. Don't order anything unless it is available off the shelf. Given the vitriol of some on this reflector, I should advise them never to order anything without a signed, custom contract of performance. They won't get such a contract from ham radio vendors but they won't be let down, either. Elecraft has delivered a series of outstanding products and developed a well-deserved reputation for technical excellence, product innovation and the finest support in the amateur radio product business. The K3 is the best radio I have ever used, right now and despite lacking a few promised features. In fact, I was able to say that six months ago when it had far more rough edges than remain today. I, too, pine for the sub-receiver. I even sold my FT-1000MP to make room for the K3, knowing full well that until the sub came out I was compromising my ability to work split-frequency DX pileups. I can deal with that. If you can't, just wait. But above all, please be civil. The Elecraft team are a handful of the finest engineers, business people and human beings I have had the pleasure to know. They do not always deliver their dreams on schedule but they definitely do deliver and they deserve better treatment than some of you are dishing out on this reflector which they sponsor. The majority of contributors to the reflector make me proud to be a customer. The few whose whining, accusations and rants are spoiling this corner of our hobby make me ashamed of the low level of social training some of us received as children. Please take your venom elsewhere. Now, can we return to our regularly scheduled programming of Elecraft product questions and answers, hints and kinks and general good will? Thanks and 73, /Rick N6XI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http
Re: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
Rick - N6XI Congratulations for calling the whiners and malcontents to task for their disgraceful behavior. I, for one, wish that the reflector was 'monitored' to weed out the thrash. There's only one point I'd add to your comments - the lecherous comments, both direct and thinly veiled, regarding Lisa at Elecraft are entirely unacceptable. There is simply no excuse for this sort of insulting and demeaning conduct. I'd fully support Elecraft in banning those individuals from the reflector. Pete - K1YSY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
Hey Pete - Maybe you are joking about comments I have made? !!! These comments to Lisa are offered in a friendly and endearing manner, and are accepted as such by Lisa herself. We email back an forth now and then. She really is a sweet woman, and has been like a family member to many of us on the list. Rick - N6XI snip I, for one, wish that the reflector was 'monitored' to weed out the thrash. There's only one point I'd add to your comments - the lecherous comments, both direct and thinly veiled, regarding Lisa at Elecraft are entirely unacceptable. There is simply no excuse for this sort of insulting and demeaning conduct. I'd fully support Elecraft in banning those individuals from the reflector. Pete - K1YSY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
At 04:14 PM 1/21/2008, Pete wrote... Congratulations for calling the whiners and malcontents to task for their disgraceful behavior. I, for one, wish that the reflector was 'monitored' to weed out the thrash. Like self-appointed moderators? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
A few of you have expressed grave disappointment that Elecraft has been unable to predict future availability accurately. Some of you have even suggested that this is part of some kind of nefarious plot. I assure you it is not. If you can not tolerate delays in the delivery of new technology, I urge you to vote with your checkbooks. Simply refrain from ordering these new products, cancel your delayed orders if you must and, above all, hold your tongues. This reflector is sponsored by Elecraft as a forum for exchange of hints and kinks and a channel for both formal and informal support. I find it amazing that they have not yet chosen to make it a moderated forum where someone can censor the cheap shots that have, frankly, gotten out of hand. My Mom taught me If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Of course, that advice does not hold universally but in a public forum like an email reflector it should be a cardinal rule. How would you like it if someone posted billboards on your house announcing every mistake you had ever made? What if some of them were inaccurate, incorrect or marginally libelous? One of my mentors in business, a highly decorated entrepreneur, media pundit and investor, taught his people to Praise publicly, criticize privately. Please take that advice.Thisreflector is one of the great things about Elecraft and I urge you all to think three times before posting criticisms: Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it helpful? If the answer to any of these questions is no or maybe, be a decent human being, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't post it. Send email directly to Elecraft instead. They will read it and respond appropriately. Elecraft is a company, a collection of imperfect individuals trying hard to do as a team what no one person could do alone. They make mistakes as we all do. I have never seen another company so willing to admit their mistakes and inform their public. Yes, they have published some bad news. In fact, they publish more bad news about product development delays than many companies ... because most companies don't publish bad news at all! Nor do they provide a public forum where their failings can be discussed as easily as their successes. I admire Elecraft and wish all my other vendors were as candid. Heck, I wish any of my other vendors were as candid. If you can't tolerate product delays, don't order new stuff. Don't order anything unless it is available off the shelf. Given the vitriol of some on this reflector, I should advise them never to order anything without a signed, custom contract of performance. They won't get such a contract from ham radio vendors but they won't be let down, either. Elecraft has delivered a series of outstanding products and developed a well-deserved reputation for technical excellence, product innovation and the finest support in the amateur radio product business. The K3 is the best radio I have ever used, right now and despite lacking a few promised features. In fact, I was able to say that six months ago when it had far more rough edges than remain today. I, too, pine for the sub-receiver. I even sold my FT-1000MP to make room for the K3, knowing full well that until the sub came out I was compromising my ability to work split-frequency DX pileups. I can deal with that. If you can't, just wait. But above all, please be civil. The Elecraft team are a handful of the finest engineers, business people and human beings I have had the pleasure to know. They do not always deliver their dreams on schedule but they definitely do deliver and they deserve better treatment than some of you are dishing out on this reflector which they sponsor. The majority of contributors to the reflector make me proud to be a customer. The few whose whining, accusations and rants are spoiling this corner of our hobby make me ashamed of the low level of social training some of us received as children. Please take your venom elsewhere. Now, can we return to our regularly scheduled programming of Elecraft product questions and answers, hints and kinks and general good will? Thanks and 73, /Rick N6XI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up!
Rick, Right on! Well stated, you are absolutely correct. Everyone who is not happy with the waiting list, has the option of getting a refund. People who already have the K3, I'm sure can sell it for more than they paid due to the very high demand. Go to Kenwood or anyone else and try to get information on their mostly inferior products and future developments. I'm very impressed with a company sponsored forum and enjoy reading the posts at least the ones that are informative. This is a hobby that I enjoy and I'll be dammed if I'm going to get all stressed out about waiting for product development. Best, DW Holtman WB7SSN - Original Message - From: Rick Tavan N6XI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: [Elecraft] OK, Children - Listen Up! A few of you have expressed grave disappointment that Elecraft has been unable to predict future availability accurately. Some of you have even suggested that this is part of some kind of nefarious plot. I assure you it is not. If you can not tolerate delays in the delivery of new technology, I urge you to vote with your checkbooks. Simply refrain from ordering these new products, cancel your delayed orders if you must and, above all, hold your tongues. This reflector is sponsored by Elecraft as a forum for exchange of hints and kinks and a channel for both formal and informal support. I find it amazing that they have not yet chosen to make it a moderated forum where someone can censor the cheap shots that have, frankly, gotten out of hand. My Mom taught me If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Of course, that advice does not hold universally but in a public forum like an email reflector it should be a cardinal rule. How would you like it if someone posted billboards on your house announcing every mistake you had ever made? What if some of them were inaccurate, incorrect or marginally libelous? One of my mentors in business, a highly decorated entrepreneur, media pundit and investor, taught his people to Praise publicly, criticize privately. Please take that advice.Thisreflector is one of the great things about Elecraft and I urge you all to think three times before posting criticisms: Is it true? Is it necessary? Is it helpful? If the answer to any of these questions is no or maybe, be a decent human being, give them the benefit of the doubt and don't post it. Send email directly to Elecraft instead. They will read it and respond appropriately. Elecraft is a company, a collection of imperfect individuals trying hard to do as a team what no one person could do alone. They make mistakes as we all do. I have never seen another company so willing to admit their mistakes and inform their public. Yes, they have published some bad news. In fact, they publish more bad news about product development delays than many companies ... because most companies don't publish bad news at all! Nor do they provide a public forum where their failings can be discussed as easily as their successes. I admire Elecraft and wish all my other vendors were as candid. Heck, I wish any of my other vendors were as candid. If you can't tolerate product delays, don't order new stuff. Don't order anything unless it is available off the shelf. Given the vitriol of some on this reflector, I should advise them never to order anything without a signed, custom contract of performance. They won't get such a contract from ham radio vendors but they won't be let down, either. Elecraft has delivered a series of outstanding products and developed a well-deserved reputation for technical excellence, product innovation and the finest support in the amateur radio product business. The K3 is the best radio I have ever used, right now and despite lacking a few promised features. In fact, I was able to say that six months ago when it had far more rough edges than remain today. I, too, pine for the sub-receiver. I even sold my FT-1000MP to make room for the K3, knowing full well that until the sub came out I was compromising my ability to work split-frequency DX pileups. I can deal with that. If you can't, just wait. But above all, please be civil. The Elecraft team are a handful of the finest engineers, business people and human beings I have had the pleasure to know. They do not always deliver their dreams on schedule but they definitely do deliver and they deserve better treatment than some of you are dishing out on this reflector which they sponsor. The majority of contributors to the reflector make me proud to be a customer. The few whose whining, accusations and rants are spoiling this corner of our hobby make me ashamed of the low level of social training some of us received as children. Please take your venom elsewhere. Now, can we return to our regularly scheduled programming of Elecraft product questions and answers, hints and kinks and general good
