[Elecraft] P3 Wish List

2011-02-16 Thread Ron Gould
What I would really like to see and there is plenty of room inside the P3 is to 
be able to add
a external sensor and electronics to display trapezoidal and other information 
regarding the
transmit signal similar to what the LP 500 is proposed to do.  This would be 
great to have all
those features also in the P3.  After adding the amp and tuner and a super 
feature increase to the
P3, my K line would just about be complete.  Of course it this were to happen, 
my favorite (NOT) 
Japanese manufacturers would be thrown into a frenzie and tizie playing 
catchup, while R&D at Elecraft
can come up with the next dream machine.  It would kind of be like back when 
the giant was sleeping
and remembering Pearl.

73's  Ron
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list items

2011-02-12 Thread Doug Turnbull
I believe Stewart has two good suggestions.   Let me also say that I am very
pleased with the latest changes to the P3 firmware.  I often use my P3 on TB
to find a clear spot in the frequency range of those calling a DX station
during split operation.   Sometimes I place myself on the very edge and
sometimes there is a valley in the middle into which I slip.   The P3 also
proves useful in observing the commercial (?) signal sources on TB some of
which seem to be operating spread spectrum.   The P3 provides information at
a glance which allows me to better position myself on the band.   Thanks for
producing such a fine instrument and thanks very much for the updates which
have greatly enhanced the P3.   

For me the big advantage of Elecraft is that their products are near the top
end to start with but then they continue to improve in significant ways.
With the possible exception of Flex, I know of no other manufacturer so
attuned to their users needs and so interested in improvement of the
product.

Hats off to the good people in Elecraft, I wonder if a thesis could be
written on this company which might prove a guide to other manufacturers.
Elecraft is different in an exciting way - Forbes should do an article on
this innovative firm.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wish list items

Over the last few weeks I have been enjoying my K3/P3 combination.

Overall it works very well and the P3 addition has been worth while.

Their are however a couple of things that I feel would improve it's use.

a) Being able to monitor your own signal on the P3 without needing to
disconnect the
 RS232 lead. With all the leads I have coming out from the K3/P3 I find that
inevitably
 one or more of them become disconnected in this operation.
Surely the K3 can halt the RS232 handshake.?

b) It would be nice to have a mode where MKR A and MKR B could be used to
calculate
 and display the delta frequency  between them. This would be useful for say
determining
 types of EMI i.e SMPSU, TV timebase or  PLT. Also it would be able to
measure signal
 bandwidths away from  the tuned frequency of the K3 .

73
Stewart G3RXQ


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[Elecraft] P3 wish list items

2011-02-12 Thread Stewart
Over the last few weeks I have been enjoying my K3/P3 combination.

Overall it works very well and the P3 addition has been worth while.

Their are however a couple of things that I feel would improve it's use.

a) Being able to monitor your own signal on the P3 without needing to 
disconnect the
 RS232 lead. With all the leads I have coming out from the K3/P3 I find that 
inevitably
 one or more of them become disconnected in this operation.
Surely the K3 can halt the RS232 handshake.?

b) It would be nice to have a mode where MKR A and MKR B could be used to 
calculate
 and display the delta frequency  between them. This would be useful for say 
determining
 types of EMI i.e SMPSU, TV timebase or  PLT. Also it would be able to measure 
signal
 bandwidths away from  the tuned frequency of the K3 .

73
Stewart G3RXQ


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-18 Thread Gary Gregory
Alan,

I too find it useful BUT I am happy to wait for a 'better' solution.

I understand 'in the future' there maybe be a hardware option to add this
and perhaps 'other' features from previous emails so for now I wait and
watch.

I was never sure if the P3 would be a 'keeper' for me but it is here now and
after playing with it I can't see how I got along without it in the
beginning...:-)

Sometimes Elecraft 'force' us to buy stuff..:-(

Just too many good engineers with plenty of time on their hands eh?

ROTFL

73's
Gary

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:23 AM, N6JW  wrote:

>
> Hi Alan:
>
> I certainly understand your reasons for nervousness here.  However,
> I would like to express how much this "unofficial" feature has been
> helpful to me in setting TX equalizers for three different mic settings
> (macro driven) and two mics (front and rear).  And I often return and
> tinker with these settings for optimization.  In my P3 the "feature" works
> well, but right now it is clumsy to use, to say the least.
>
> Here is what I have to do:  Open Config Menu: RS232 which will read
> 38000.  Attach a dummy load (or tune to an empty spot in the band).
> Turn on Peak hold, then right away turn RS232 speed to 4800 (this is
> equivalent to removing the cable), talk into the mic, and then tap
> freeze to look at the cumulative audio spectrum!  Set to a narrow span
> (I use 4khz) one gets a lot of good detailed data this way, but is it
> a bit of a fiddle!  If you want to do it again, start over.
>
> Alan, I know there are interesting options coming down the line with
> some additional hardware required (what else is the "sensor" opening
> at the back for?)  But in the meantime, the "unofficial" feature is very
> useful indeed!
>
> Thanks so much for the fine panadapter.  It has proven itself to be more
> useful than I thought it would be.
>
> Regards & 73
>
> John, N6JW
>
>
> Alan Bloom-2 wrote:
> >
> > I'm a little nervous about making this an "official" feature, because
> > the signal level is not well-controlled.  It depends on stray leakage
> > through a balanced mixer and "blow-by" past a couple of PIN diode
> > switches.  If the mixer in a particular K3 happens to be very well
> > balanced or the PIN diodes have extra-low capacitance, there may not be
> > enough signal level to adjust the equalizer properly.  It also depends
> > on frequency band and transmit power level.
> >
> > There may be a better way to do this.  It's on my list of things to look
> > at as soon as I get time.
> >
> > Alan N1AL
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:17 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >> I would like to be able to 'switch' such a feature On/Off without any
> >> external 'box'
> >> >
> >> > I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful
> >> function.
> >> > Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need
> to
> >> > reach in the back and remove the RS232 cable?
> >> >
> >> > Howard..K2HK
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-18 Thread N6JW

Hi Alan:

I certainly understand your reasons for nervousness here.  However, 
I would like to express how much this "unofficial" feature has been
helpful to me in setting TX equalizers for three different mic settings
(macro driven) and two mics (front and rear).  And I often return and
tinker with these settings for optimization.  In my P3 the "feature" works
well, but right now it is clumsy to use, to say the least.

Here is what I have to do:  Open Config Menu: RS232 which will read
38000.  Attach a dummy load (or tune to an empty spot in the band).
Turn on Peak hold, then right away turn RS232 speed to 4800 (this is
equivalent to removing the cable), talk into the mic, and then tap
freeze to look at the cumulative audio spectrum!  Set to a narrow span
(I use 4khz) one gets a lot of good detailed data this way, but is it
a bit of a fiddle!  If you want to do it again, start over.

Alan, I know there are interesting options coming down the line with 
some additional hardware required (what else is the "sensor" opening 
at the back for?)  But in the meantime, the "unofficial" feature is very
useful indeed!

Thanks so much for the fine panadapter.  It has proven itself to be more
useful than I thought it would be.

Regards & 73

John, N6JW


Alan Bloom-2 wrote:
> 
> I'm a little nervous about making this an "official" feature, because
> the signal level is not well-controlled.  It depends on stray leakage
> through a balanced mixer and "blow-by" past a couple of PIN diode
> switches.  If the mixer in a particular K3 happens to be very well
> balanced or the PIN diodes have extra-low capacitance, there may not be
> enough signal level to adjust the equalizer properly.  It also depends
> on frequency band and transmit power level.
> 
> There may be a better way to do this.  It's on my list of things to look
> at as soon as I get time.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:17 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote:
>> I would like to be able to 'switch' such a feature On/Off without any
>> external 'box'
>> >
>> > I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful
>> function.
>> > Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to
>> > reach in the back and remove the RS232 cable?
>> >
>> > Howard..K2HK
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-18 Thread Howard K2HK

Alan,
Thank you for considering it. I do think it may have value beyond equalization, 
eg. signal width, etc. I can understand your reluctance as you describe the 
pitfalls. I certainly wouldn't feel bad about waiting for a better 
implementation. Possibly after the effects of  your turkey dinner wears off it 
will be replaced with a new energy to update:-). Kudos for the very nice job 
you all have done so far.
I didn't jump right in on this one because I didn't think it of sufficient 
value for me but I am very pleasantly surprised at the result. An excellent 
station accessory.

73 and Happy Thanksgiving to all,
Howard..K2HK






> 
> Unless you change microphones or operators, transmit audio equalization
> should be pretty much a "set and forget" type calibration.
> 
> I'm a little nervous about making this an "official" feature, because
> the signal level is not well-controlled.  It depends on stray leakage
> through a balanced mixer and "blow-by" past a couple of PIN diode
> switches.  If the mixer in a particular K3 happens to be very well
> balanced or the PIN diodes have extra-low capacitance, there may not be
> enough signal level to adjust the equalizer properly.  It also depends
> on frequency band and transmit power level.
> 
> There may be a better way to do this.  It's on my list of things to look
> at as soon as I get time.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:17 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote:
> > I would like to be able to 'switch' such a feature On/Off without any
> > external 'box'
> > 
> > As I am operating portable all the time there is a need for me to check this
> > daily.
> > 
> > YMMV
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Howard K2HK  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I assume Alan monitors the reflector :-). Hope he is sufficiently
> > > interested.
> > >
> > > Howard..K2HK
> > > Smith's:
> > >
> > > Agreed, I concur with you. I don't need any more boxes on my desk either,
> > > especially when a button on the Menu could turn off the RS-232 'mute'
> > > control.. seems like a pretty easy thing to do to me. Just thought that I
> > > would give you a work around for the time being.
> > > Be sure to send your ideas to Alan.. he's the only one that can program it
> > > into the P3
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: k...@arrl.net
> > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:53:31 +
> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
> > >
> > >
> > > That's an easy fix. But I have so many boxes on my desktop and it would
> > > seem more natural to me to be incorporated into the P3. Doesn't seem like 
> > > it
> > > would be a major project.
> > > Howard..K2HK
> > >
> > > Smith's wrote:
> > > you could always use an A/B serial box and just switch to B when you want
> > > to do your testing. That's an easy "up front" solution if they don't add
> > > that ability for you.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: k...@arrl.net
> > > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:26:25 +
> > > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
> > >
> > >
> > > I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful function.
> > > Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to
> > > reach in the back and remove the RS232 cable?
> > >
> > > Howard..K2HK
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-18 Thread Alan Bloom
Unless you change microphones or operators, transmit audio equalization
should be pretty much a "set and forget" type calibration.

I'm a little nervous about making this an "official" feature, because
the signal level is not well-controlled.  It depends on stray leakage
through a balanced mixer and "blow-by" past a couple of PIN diode
switches.  If the mixer in a particular K3 happens to be very well
balanced or the PIN diodes have extra-low capacitance, there may not be
enough signal level to adjust the equalizer properly.  It also depends
on frequency band and transmit power level.

There may be a better way to do this.  It's on my list of things to look
at as soon as I get time.

Alan N1AL


On Fri, 2010-11-19 at 06:17 +1000, Gary Gregory wrote:
> I would like to be able to 'switch' such a feature On/Off without any
> external 'box'
> 
> As I am operating portable all the time there is a need for me to check this
> daily.
> 
> YMMV
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Howard K2HK  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > I assume Alan monitors the reflector :-). Hope he is sufficiently
> > interested.
> >
> > Howard..K2HK
> > Smith's:
> >
> > Agreed, I concur with you. I don't need any more boxes on my desk either,
> > especially when a button on the Menu could turn off the RS-232 'mute'
> > control.. seems like a pretty easy thing to do to me. Just thought that I
> > would give you a work around for the time being.
> > Be sure to send your ideas to Alan.. he's the only one that can program it
> > into the P3
> >
> >
> >
> > From: k...@arrl.net
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:53:31 +
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
> >
> >
> > That's an easy fix. But I have so many boxes on my desktop and it would
> > seem more natural to me to be incorporated into the P3. Doesn't seem like it
> > would be a major project.
> > Howard..K2HK
> >
> > Smith's wrote:
> > you could always use an A/B serial box and just switch to B when you want
> > to do your testing. That's an easy "up front" solution if they don't add
> > that ability for you.
> >
> >
> > From: k...@arrl.net
> > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:26:25 +
> > Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
> >
> >
> > I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful function.
> > Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to
> > reach in the back and remove the RS232 cable?
> >
> > Howard..K2HK
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-18 Thread Gary Gregory
I would like to be able to 'switch' such a feature On/Off without any
external 'box'

As I am operating portable all the time there is a need for me to check this
daily.

YMMV

Gary

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Howard K2HK  wrote:

>
>
>
> I assume Alan monitors the reflector :-). Hope he is sufficiently
> interested.
>
> Howard..K2HK
> Smith's:
>
> Agreed, I concur with you. I don't need any more boxes on my desk either,
> especially when a button on the Menu could turn off the RS-232 'mute'
> control.. seems like a pretty easy thing to do to me. Just thought that I
> would give you a work around for the time being.
> Be sure to send your ideas to Alan.. he's the only one that can program it
> into the P3
>
>
>
> From: k...@arrl.net
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:53:31 +
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
>
>
> That's an easy fix. But I have so many boxes on my desktop and it would
> seem more natural to me to be incorporated into the P3. Doesn't seem like it
> would be a major project.
> Howard..K2HK
>
> Smith's wrote:
> you could always use an A/B serial box and just switch to B when you want
> to do your testing. That's an easy "up front" solution if they don't add
> that ability for you.
>
>
> From: k...@arrl.net
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:26:25 +
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
>
>
> I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful function.
> Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to
> reach in the back and remove the RS232 cable?
>
> Howard..K2HK
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-18 Thread Howard K2HK



I assume Alan monitors the reflector :-). Hope he is sufficiently interested.

Howard..K2HK
Smith's:

Agreed, I concur with you. I don't need any more boxes on my desk either, 
especially when a button on the Menu could turn off the RS-232 'mute' control.. 
seems like a pretty easy thing to do to me. Just thought that I would give you 
a work around for the time being.
Be sure to send your ideas to Alan.. he's the only one that can program it into 
the P3



From: k...@arrl.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:53:31 +0000
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list


That's an easy fix. But I have so many boxes on my desktop and it would seem 
more natural to me to be incorporated into the P3. Doesn't seem like it would 
be a major project.
Howard..K2HK

Smith's wrote:
you could always use an A/B serial box and just switch to B when you want to do 
your testing. That's an easy "up front" solution if they don't add that ability 
for you.


From: k...@arrl.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:26:25 +
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wish list


I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful function. Would 
it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to reach in the 
back and remove the RS232 cable?

Howard..K2HK


  
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-17 Thread Howard K2HK

That's an  easy fix.  But I have so many boxes on my desktop and it would seem 
more natural to me to be incorporated into the P3.  Doesn't seem like it would 
be a major project.
Howard..K2HK

Smith's wrote:
 you could always use an A/B serial box and just switch to B when you want to 
do your testing.  That's an easy "up front" solution if they don't add that 
ability for you.
 

> From: k...@arrl.net
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:26:25 +
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 wish list
> 
> 
> I found checking and adjusting the K3 output on the P3 a useful function. 
> Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to reach 
> in the back and remove the RS232 cable? 
> 
> Howard..K2HK
> 
> 
> 
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[Elecraft] P3 wish list

2010-11-17 Thread Howard K2HK

I found  checking and adjusting  the K3 output on the P3 a useful function. 
Would it be difficult to make it a front panel function w/o the need to reach 
in the back and remove the RS232 cable? 

Howard..K2HK


  
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[Elecraft] P3 wish list?

2009-08-19 Thread rfenabled
I also wonder if we could have a "video out" to allow plugging in a larger 
display such as the FT-7000 does.

My eyes are somewhat less in performance than what they were at birth...:-)

I know, the wheels are about to fall off at age 61.:-)

Now, back to the radio installation.

73's
Gary. VK4WT/P
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 :: wish list

2009-08-16 Thread Radio Amateur N5GE
On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:29:49 -0400, inventor_sixty_one
 wrote:

>Looks from the picture that the sheet metal has been committed.  That's a
>shame.
>
>This would have been the perfect opportunity to add the dedicated band
>buttons needed for band-stacking registers.
>If the P3 had those, it'd sell for that reason alone.  I would pay an extra
>$$$ to get them.
>
>Hope the serial data and buffered IF signals are available as loop-throughs
>on the back panel, as well as perhaps a DC interconnect.
>
>Steve KZ1X/4
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[snip]

I have a Toyota Tundra that I use for travel that sometimes carries a
K3.

Would it be possible to make a few special units to fit in the dash
just below the factory radio and CD player.  I'd be willing to pay
about $15 extra for that.

With tongue in cheek...

Tom, N5GE

n...@n5ge.com
K3 #806, K3 #1055, PR6,
XV144, XV432, KRC2,
W1 and other small kits.
http://www.n5ge.com
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 :: wish list

2009-08-16 Thread S Sacco
Speaking of opportunities, I've been pondering whether it wouldn't be a good
idea to offer a kit where you could repackage the K3 and the P3 (and
whatever else) into a single unit - perhaps 19" wide :-) which would allow
integration of multiple goodies.  Perhaps allow the package to acomodate the
PR6 (allow for 2), the KRC2 band decoders, transverters,  wattmeter, flux
capacitor, and dilithium crystals.

I find it is easiest to dream when I'm not the one who'll be doing the
actual work.  :-)

73,
Steve
NN4X




On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:29 PM, inventor_sixty_one
wrote:

> Looks from the picture that the sheet metal has been committed.  That's a
> shame.
>
> This would have been the perfect opportunity to add the dedicated band
> buttons needed for band-stacking registers.
> If the P3 had those, it'd sell for that reason alone.  I would pay an extra
> $$$ to get them.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 :: wish list

2009-08-15 Thread Brett Howard
Not sure but I'd bet (and hope) that the panadapter simply comes with an
RCA jack for its power.  That way that it can just be plugged into the
DC out on the back of the rig.  

~Brett

On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 22:29 -0400, inventor_sixty_one wrote:
> Looks from the picture that the sheet metal has been committed.  That's a
> shame.
> 
> This would have been the perfect opportunity to add the dedicated band
> buttons needed for band-stacking registers.
> If the P3 had those, it'd sell for that reason alone.  I would pay an extra
> $$$ to get them.
> 
> Hope the serial data and buffered IF signals are available as loop-throughs
> on the back panel, as well as perhaps a DC interconnect.
> 
> Steve KZ1X/4
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[Elecraft] P3 :: wish list

2009-08-15 Thread inventor_sixty_one
Looks from the picture that the sheet metal has been committed.  That's a
shame.

This would have been the perfect opportunity to add the dedicated band
buttons needed for band-stacking registers.
If the P3 had those, it'd sell for that reason alone.  I would pay an extra
$$$ to get them.

Hope the serial data and buffered IF signals are available as loop-throughs
on the back panel, as well as perhaps a DC interconnect.

Steve KZ1X/4
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