Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-02 Thread Dauer, Edward
Not with Mac?







On 1/2/15, 7:12 AM, "'Tom Blahovici'"  wrote:

>Hi Tony
>The avermedia card is a vga capture board. It captures the signal from
>the svga card and then displays it in a standard windows window. You can
>resize it like any other window and display it simultaneously with all
>the other windows on your Windows PC. So you do not need a separate
>monitor. 
>73's Tom 
>va2fsq.com
>
>On Jan 2, 2015 5:55 AM, "N2TK, Tony"  wrote:
>>
>> Tom, 
>> If you can resize the video using this card, how do you add additional
>>windows to the screen?
>> Tnx 
>> N2TK, Tony 
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>>Tom Blahovici 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 4:15 PM
>> To: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
>> Cc: Dauer, Edward
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
>>
>> Hi 
>> If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a
>>64bit operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and
>>use it to display a resizable window on your PC monitors.
>> If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,  to stream the video
>>to where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely
>>difficult to configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very
>>poor and there are multiple explanations all of which use different
>>syntax.  I spent a week trying  and only managed to stream to a Windows
>>media player at a low rate. In principle you can stream at 192 kHz but
>>good luck. 
>> 73's Tom 
>> va2fsq.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-02 Thread Tom Blahovici
Hi Tony
The avermedia card is a vga capture board. It captures the signal from the svga 
card and then displays it in a standard windows window. You can resize it like 
any other window and display it simultaneously with all the other windows on 
your Windows PC. So you do not need a separate monitor. 
73's Tom 
va2fsq.com

On Jan 2, 2015 5:55 AM, "N2TK, Tony"  wrote:
>
> Tom, 
> If you can resize the video using this card, how do you add additional 
> windows to the screen? 
> Tnx 
> N2TK, Tony 
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom 
> Blahovici 
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 4:15 PM 
> To: Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
> Cc: Dauer, Edward 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously 
>
> Hi 
> If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a 64bit 
> operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and use it to 
> display a resizable window on your PC monitors. 
> If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,  to stream the video to 
> where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely difficult 
> to configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very poor and there 
> are multiple explanations all of which use different syntax.  I spent a week 
> trying  and only managed to stream to a Windows media player at a low rate. 
> In principle you can stream at 192 kHz but good luck. 
> 73's Tom 
> va2fsq.com 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-02 Thread N2TK, Tony
Tom,
If you can resize the video using this card, how do you add additional windows 
to the screen?
Tnx
N2TK, Tony

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom 
Blahovici
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 4:15 PM
To: Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Cc: Dauer, Edward
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Hi
If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a 64bit 
operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and use it to 
display a resizable window on your PC monitors. 
If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,  to stream the video to 
where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely difficult to 
configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very poor and there are 
multiple explanations all of which use different syntax.  I spent a week trying 
 and only managed to stream to a Windows media player at a low rate. In 
principle you can stream at 192 kHz but good luck. 
73's Tom
va2fsq.com
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Steve Ward
There are monitors on the market that have PbP (Picture beside Picture) 
capability built-in.  I just acquired a Planar Systems IX-2850 4K 28" 
display which can display two, three or four inputs on-screen at once.  
Since it's a 4K display when four inputs are shown each one still gets 
1920x1080 pixels.


One note to remember however is that a 28" 4K monitor has very small pixels.

73,
Steve AD7OG

From: "Dauer, Edward"  wrote:

> Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - 
if space allows. Several
> of the manufacturers make them. Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple 
store here told me that
> the older Macs could have two displays on the same screen one of 
which was a VGA input,
> but the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot. He was a 
sales clerk, not an
> engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts. When this question 
was last on the reflector
> someone suggested converting the P3?s SVGA output into an Internet 
signal. Both Windows
> and Mac allow simultaneous display of the browser and any other 
resident application.
> Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone 
knows an easy way, please

> post it here . . . Thanks. Ted, KN1CBR
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread N2TK, Tony
Tnx Mike for the input. Once I get the new monitor I will switch back and
forth and play with the P3 and see if I get hooked on the external monitor.
73,
N2TK, Tony

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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike
K2MK
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 5:58 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Hi Tony,

I found 3 immediate advantages with an external monitor. The first of course
was relief for my old eyes. 

Next, on the P3 I preferred a span width of 10KHz on CW and RTTY and 50KHz
on SSB. On the external monitor I was able to jump to 20KHz and 100KHz.

The third benefit was the larger waterfall height. During contests it is
extremely easy to tune where somebody was just transmitting. Great for
search and pounce operating. With the taller waterfall signals stay on the
screen for probably close to a minute (I never measured it).

CW, RTTY, and PSK decoding can also be left on full time at the bottom of
the screen if desired.

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Ted,
Already have two monitors. Just ordered a 27" to replace the 19". I will use
dual inputs -HDMI from the workstation and sub-D from the P3. Will switch
video inputs to play with the P3 SVGA. I want to see if I would really use
an external video to the P3 before I come up with another option such as a
smaller dedicated monitor for the P3.
Want to see if it really buys me anything over just using the P3 as I
presently use it.

73 & HNY!
N2TK, Tony  



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Tony,

I found 3 immediate advantages with an external monitor. The first of course
was relief for my old eyes. 

Next, on the P3 I preferred a span width of 10KHz on CW and RTTY and 50KHz
on SSB. On the external monitor I was able to jump to 20KHz and 100KHz.

The third benefit was the larger waterfall height. During contests it is
extremely easy to tune where somebody was just transmitting. Great for
search and pounce operating. With the taller waterfall signals stay on the
screen for probably close to a minute (I never measured it).

CW, RTTY, and PSK decoding can also be left on full time at the bottom of
the screen if desired.

73,
Mike K2MK


Hi Ted,
Already have two monitors. Just ordered a 27" to replace the 19". I will use
dual inputs -HDMI from the workstation and sub-D from the P3. Will switch
video inputs to play with the P3 SVGA. I want to see if I would really use
an external video to the P3 before I come up with another option such as a
smaller dedicated monitor for the P3.
Want to see if it really buys me anything over just using the P3 as I
presently use it.

73 & HNY!
N2TK, Tony  



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Dauer, Edward
OK, bad terminology.  I’m a lawyer, not an engineer.  The suggestion
someone (I forget who) made was this - take the P3’s SVGA output and
change it by some miracle into something the MAC’s Internet browser would
think is an incoming Internet site.  Then, because the Mac (and every
other computer) can display an Internet site simultaneously with any other
window from an onboard app, the problem is solved.  How that magical
transformation could be made to happen was beyond me.

EAD


Edward A. Dauer,  LL.B., M.P.H.
Dean Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Law
University of Denver Sturm College of Law






On 1/1/15, 1:20 PM, "Fred Townsend"  wrote:

>What is an Internet signal and how would that help?
>Fred, AE6QL
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Dauer,
>Edward
>Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:01 AM
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
>
>Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
>space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.
>
>Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older
>Macs
>could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA input,
>but
>the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was a sales
>clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.
>
>When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
>the P3¹s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
>simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
>Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
>an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.
>
>Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
>
>
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>>From: Richard Fjeld 
>>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>>Message-ID: <54a39aa0.3040...@embarqmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>>Tony,
>>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>>Dick, n0ce
>>
>>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is
>>>that I  don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming
>>>that the SVGA  option still does not let you size the window and allow
>>>other programs to be  displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>>
>>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread N2TK, Tony
Hi Ted,
Already have two monitors. Just ordered a 27" to replace the 19". I will use
dual inputs -HDMI from the workstation and sub-D from the P3. Will switch
video inputs to play with the P3 SVGA. I want to see if I would really use
an external video to the P3 before I come up with another option such as a
smaller dedicated monitor for the P3.
Want to see if it really buys me anything over just using the P3 as I
presently use it.

73 & HNY!
N2TK, Tony  

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer,
Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 2:01 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older Macs
could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA input, but
the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was a sales
clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3¹s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld 
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54a39aa0.3040...@embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is 
>>that I  don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming 
>>that the SVGA  option still does not let you size the window and allow 
>>other programs to be  displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Tom Blahovici
Hi
If you have a pc with a spare pci express slot and you are running a 64bit 
operating system you can buy the avermedia hd game broadcaster and use it to 
display a resizable window on your PC monitors. 
If you are really ambitious, you can then use VLC,  to stream the video to 
where you want. The reason I say ambitious is that it is extremely difficult to 
configure VLC for streaming since the documentation is very poor and there are 
multiple explanations all of which use different syntax.  I spent a week trying 
 and only managed to stream to a Windows media player at a low rate. In 
principle you can stream at 192 kHz but good luck. 
73's Tom 
va2fsq.com
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
About the only way I can see this working would be to use aVGA video INPUT card 
for the PC to bring the signal into the PC.
Monitors are fairly inexpensive so it's probably cheaper to just add a 
dedicated monitor.
I already run 3 monitors, and I'm considering a 4th to dedicate just to the P3









  From: "Dauer, Edward" 
 To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"  
 Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 2:00 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously
   
Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older
Macs could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA
input, but the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was
a sales clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3¹s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .  Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld 
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54a39aa0.3040...@embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that
>>I
>> don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the
>>SVGA
>> option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs
>>to be
>> displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Fred Townsend
What is an Internet signal and how would that help?
Fred, AE6QL

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Edward
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 11:01 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older Macs
could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA input, but
the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was a sales
clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3¹s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld 
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54a39aa0.3040...@embarqmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is 
>>that I  don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming 
>>that the SVGA  option still does not let you size the window and allow 
>>other programs to be  displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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[Elecraft] P3 and Other Windows Simultaneously

2015-01-01 Thread Dauer, Edward
Or get a dual monitor - two screens side-by-side on a single mount - if
space allows.  Several of the manufacturers make them.

Interestingly, a fellow at the Apple store here told me that the older
Macs could have two displays on the same screen one of which was a VGA
input, but the newer ones (as of three or four years ago) cannot.  He was
a sales clerk, not an engineer so far as I know, so I have my doubts.

When this question was last on the reflector someone suggested converting
the P3¹s SVGA output into an Internet signal.  Both Windows and Mac allow
simultaneous display of the browser and any other resident application.
Exactly how to do that conversion is beyond me . . . but if anyone knows
an easy way, please post it here . . .   Thanks.

Ted, KN1CBR




>Message: 10
>Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 00:41:36 -0600
>From: Richard Fjeld 
>To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 - Keyboard
>Message-ID: <54a39aa0.3040...@embarqmail.com>
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>Tony,
>FYI, I use an A/B switch to share a monitor between my P3 and Computer.
>I seldom use the computer while operating.
>If I do, I can still use the P3.
>Dick, n0ce
>
>On 12/30/2014 5:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
>> The reason I don't use an external monitor (I have two already) is that
>>I
>> don't want to dedicate a monitor to just the P3. I am assuming that the
>>SVGA
>> option still does not let you size the window and allow other programs
>>to be
>> displayed on the same monitor, correct?
>>
>> Just want to verify in case things changed.
>>
>>

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