Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
Hi Bill - no punishment intended. Your initial reply was OK. I was just commenting on the very long thread of additional comments. 73, Eric List moderator elecraft.com On 2/18/2014 4:04 PM, Bill Turner wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) On 2/18/2014 1:14 PM, Sebastian, W4AS wrote: I think the question was what does this have to do with Elecraft? REPLY: It was in response to someone trying to sell his Elecraft. I wanted to help him and the buyer avoid unnecessary fees and it applies to future private party ads too. More proof that no good deed goes unpunished. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] PayPal fees
Note to everyone: If you tell PayPal it is for Friends and Family and you transfer direct from a bank account, i.e. not a credit card, there are no fees if the transfer is within the USA. The fees apply only to businesses and/or credit card transfers and/or international transfers. PayPal does not advertise this much for obvious reasons, but it is there in their policy statement and I use it all the time. It really is free. 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
There is one problem with using this payment method: Paypal will offer absolutely no buyer protection if you pay this way. So if you know the seller is trustworthy, then this is fine, albeit a little dishonest. But, if you get screwed trying to screw Paypal, don't expect them help you get your money back. 73, Scott, N9AA On 2/18/14 11:48 AM, Bill Turner wrote: Note to everyone: If you tell PayPal it is for Friends and Family and you transfer direct from a bank account, i.e. not a credit card, there are no fees if the transfer is within the USA. The fees apply only to businesses and/or credit card transfers and/or international transfers. PayPal does not advertise this much for obvious reasons, but it is there in their policy statement and I use it all the time. It really is free. 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
I just learned a few significant things about you that will help me place any future posts from you in the proper context. Dave AB7E On 2/18/2014 9:48 AM, Bill Turner wrote: Note to everyone: If you tell PayPal it is for Friends and Family and you transfer direct from a bank account, i.e. not a credit card, there are no fees if the transfer is within the USA. The fees apply only to businesses and/or credit card transfers and/or international transfers. PayPal does not advertise this much for obvious reasons, but it is there in their policy statement and I use it all the time. It really is free. 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Dave, What benefit is there to posting a comment like this to the list? Scott, N9AA On 2/18/14 1:08 PM, David Gilbert wrote: I just learned a few significant things about you that will help me place any future posts from you in the proper context. Dave AB7E __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
It seems that one person was offended by my post on how to avoid PayPal fees, calling it off topic, cheating and other things. My post was in response to an earlier post advertising something for sale and telling people to add PayPal fees. I was simply pointing out that there is a way to avoid PayPal fees which is right in their policy and is not cheating in any way. In that context I think it was indeed on topic. Just trying to help. Not meaning to offend anybody. 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Don't let it bother you. Some guys would complain if they were hung with a new rope !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/18/2014 1:13 PM, Bill Turner wrote: It seems that one person was offended by my post on how to avoid PayPal fees, calling it off topic, cheating and other things. My post was in response to an earlier post advertising something for sale and telling people to add PayPal fees. I was simply pointing out that there is a way to avoid PayPal fees which is right in their policy and is not cheating in any way. In that context I think it was indeed on topic. Just trying to help. Not meaning to offend anybody. 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Or hanged for that matter. On 2/18/2014 1:40 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: Don't let it bother you. Some guys would complain if they were hung with a new rope !! 73, Dick, W1KSZ On 2/18/2014 1:13 PM, Bill Turner wrote: It seems that one person was offended by my post on how to avoid PayPal fees, calling it off topic, cheating and other things. My post was in response to an earlier post advertising something for sale and telling people to add PayPal fees. I was simply pointing out that there is a way to avoid PayPal fees which is right in their policy and is not cheating in any way. In that context I think it was indeed on topic. Just trying to help. Not meaning to offend anybody. 73, Bill W6WRT __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
I'm not sure if W6WRT is referring to me or not since I wasn't the only one to reply negatively, but Bill is of the opinion that the PayPal friends and family provision applies to any and all private transactions (such as those between members of this list) and that the fee only applies to transactions with businesses. I believe that to be totally erroneous. PayPal has always been a generalized funds transfer service between members of a mass market ... it even got its start handling transactions between totally private individuals on eBay, for which it definitely expected to collect fees. Trying to avoid those fees by claiming friends/family status between otherwise total strangers does not fly ethically. Certainly I could have expressed my disagreement in a much less confrontational manner, but my objection to W6WRT's suggestion still stands. Dave AB7E On 2/18/2014 1:13 PM, Bill Turner wrote: It seems that one person was offended by my post on how to avoid PayPal fees, calling it off topic, cheating and other things. My post was in response to an earlier post advertising something for sale and telling people to add PayPal fees. I was simply pointing out that there is a way to avoid PayPal fees which is right in their policy and is not cheating in any way. In that context I think it was indeed on topic. Just trying to help. Not meaning to offend anybody. 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
Wes is referring to a common misuse of language, probably no longer taught in schools . . . Pictures are hung. People are hanged. Good show, Wes. Kent K9ZTV On 2/18/2014 2:55 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Or hanged for that matter. On 2/18/2014 1:40 PM, someone wrote: Don't let it bother you. Some guys would complain if they were hung with a new rope !! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
I think the question was what does this have to do with Elecraft? These posts (along with seemingly endless off topic posts on this mailing list) have a tendency to draw additional responses and other posts which also have nothing to do with Elecraft, and just serve to cause many of us to constantly hit the delete key and perhaps miss information about actual Elecraft issues. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Feb 18, 2014, at 4:03 PM, KENT TRIMBLE k9...@socket.net wrote: Wes is referring to a common misuse of language, probably no longer taught in schools . . . Pictures are hung. People are hanged. Good show, Wes. Kent K9ZTV On 2/18/2014 2:55 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Or hanged for that matter. On 2/18/2014 1:40 PM, someone wrote: Don't let it bother you. Some guys would complain if they were hung with a new rope !! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
the phrase, from history, is: hung, with a new rope Don't believe me.? Ask Tom Horn... or any number of others... Have a great day, --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:55:56 -0700 From: w...@triconet.org To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees Or hanged for that matter. On 2/18/2014 1:40 PM, Richard Solomon wrote: Don't let it bother you. Some guys would complain if they were hung with a new rope !! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 18/02/14 21:59, Dale Putnam wrote: the phrase, from history, is: hung, with a new rope The quote, a little extended, reads, I want to be hung with a new rope. I was brung up respectably, and I want to die that way. Which suggests the speaker quoted is no expert on grammar. Over here, saying a man is hung means something quite different to saying he's been put to death by hanging - hanged, that is. G5VZ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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End of thread. In general, please self moderate on OT posts like this by resisting the urge to reply. Eric List Modulator elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) On 2/18/2014 1:14 PM, Sebastian, W4AS wrote: I think the question was what does this have to do with Elecraft? REPLY: It was in response to someone trying to sell his Elecraft. I wanted to help him and the buyer avoid unnecessary fees and it applies to future private party ads too. More proof that no good deed goes unpunished. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PayPal fees
OK, I wanted very much to adhere to Eric's post shutting down this thread, but Bill is simply wrong here and his advice crosses the line ... at least for me if not for others. The official PayPal friends/family policy extends ONLY to pure transfers of funds between friends and family ... such as a parent sending money to their offspring in college. It specifically excludes purchases, whether business or private. Here's the relevant link (about half way down): https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/send-money-online When you send money to friends or family in the US from your bank account or balance, it's free for you and the recipient. When you buy a service or product, we charge the seller our normal low rate of 2.9% + $.30. We think that’s pretty fair. There is no way that policy extends to private party ads for goods and services. Dave AB7E On 2/18/2014 5:04 PM, Bill Turner wrote: ORIGINAL MESSAGE: (may be snipped) On 2/18/2014 1:14 PM, Sebastian, W4AS wrote: I think the question was what does this have to do with Elecraft? REPLY: It was in response to someone trying to sell his Elecraft. I wanted to help him and the buyer avoid unnecessary fees and it applies to future private party ads too. More proof that no good deed goes unpunished. :-) 73, Bill W6WRT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
