[Elecraft] SO-239 Connector Selection

2010-07-22 Thread Brett Howard
Ok figured I'd ask here and see if someone had some input on the
differences here.  Hopefully someone has done more design with these
than I...

My application is that I'm looking for connectors to install on some
high end home made band-pass filters.

83-1R;
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-1R-SO-239/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3rrGzC6kucWGwVoNS6TyriIimuNw9A%3d
83-1R-RFX:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-1R-RFX/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3rrGzC6kqBNVAfbUIcAaUNmqqZ3zpA%3d
83-798:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-798/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3rrGzC6kptFUq3vT%252bWoMcHyGEmWyaU%3d

The 83-1R is a number I've seen a lot in usage and its the connector I'm
leaning toward.  It is also the cheapest of the 3.  I know they are all
going to be good connectors but is there any benefit to going with the
other two versions?  I believe that the RFX version is a commercial
version of the same thing (at only 20 cents more) but I don't know what
the difference is.  Finally the 83-798 claims to be an SO-239A
connector...  I tried doing a search for SO-239 vs SO-239A and in a
quick gander didn't turn up much...  Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

~Brett (N7MG)

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Re: [Elecraft] SO-239 Connector Selection

2010-07-22 Thread Bob Naumann
The 83-798A has a Teflon insulator - this is what makes it different.

They're all equivalent for low frequency, low power (200w) work which I
presume your bandpass filters will be.

High-End? What design?



-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:22 AM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Connector Selection

Ok figured I'd ask here and see if someone had some input on the
differences here.  Hopefully someone has done more design with these
than I...

My application is that I'm looking for connectors to install on some
high end home made band-pass filters.

83-1R;
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-1R-SO-239/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt
qi3rrGzC6kucWGwVoNS6TyriIimuNw9A%3d
83-1R-RFX:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-1R-RFX/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3
rrGzC6kqBNVAfbUIcAaUNmqqZ3zpA%3d
83-798:
http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-798/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3rrG
zC6kptFUq3vT%252bWoMcHyGEmWyaU%3d

The 83-1R is a number I've seen a lot in usage and its the connector I'm
leaning toward.  It is also the cheapest of the 3.  I know they are all
going to be good connectors but is there any benefit to going with the
other two versions?  I believe that the RFX version is a commercial
version of the same thing (at only 20 cents more) but I don't know what
the difference is.  Finally the 83-798 claims to be an SO-239A
connector...  I tried doing a search for SO-239 vs SO-239A and in a
quick gander didn't turn up much...  Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks

~Brett (N7MG)

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Re: [Elecraft] SO-239 Connector Selection

2010-07-22 Thread Brett Howard
Based on W3NQN's filters and rated for 200W.

Makes sense on the teflon insulator...  I assume that that only makes
the difference when doing higher power?  I do think that whenever I'm
making an antenna that is to have a connector blow torch soldered to a
copper pipe or something I'm going to buy one of those!  Now I just
wonder what the difference in the small price jump delta between RFX
and non RFX is...

~Brett (N7MG)

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Bob Naumann w...@w5ov.com wrote:
 The 83-798A has a Teflon insulator - this is what makes it different.

 They're all equivalent for low frequency, low power (200w) work which I
 presume your bandpass filters will be.

 High-End? What design?



 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brett Howard
 Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:22 AM
 To: elecraft
 Subject: [Elecraft] SO-239 Connector Selection

 Ok figured I'd ask here and see if someone had some input on the
 differences here.  Hopefully someone has done more design with these
 than I...

 My application is that I'm looking for connectors to install on some
 high end home made band-pass filters.

 83-1R;
 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-1R-SO-239/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt
 qi3rrGzC6kucWGwVoNS6TyriIimuNw9A%3d
 83-1R-RFX:
 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-1R-RFX/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3
 rrGzC6kqBNVAfbUIcAaUNmqqZ3zpA%3d
 83-798:
 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Amphenol-RF/83-798/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtqi3rrG
 zC6kptFUq3vT%252bWoMcHyGEmWyaU%3d

 The 83-1R is a number I've seen a lot in usage and its the connector I'm
 leaning toward.  It is also the cheapest of the 3.  I know they are all
 going to be good connectors but is there any benefit to going with the
 other two versions?  I believe that the RFX version is a commercial
 version of the same thing (at only 20 cents more) but I don't know what
 the difference is.  Finally the 83-798 claims to be an SO-239A
 connector...  I tried doing a search for SO-239 vs SO-239A and in a
 quick gander didn't turn up much...  Any input would be appreciated.

 Thanks

 ~Brett (N7MG)

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Re: [Elecraft] SO-239 Connector Selection

2010-07-22 Thread Tom W8JI
Makes sense on the teflon insulator...  I assume that that only makes
the difference when doing higher power? 

It mostly makes a difference in soldering. The measured voltage breakdown of 
a standard Amphenol SO-239 is well over 5000 volts peak. The arc point is 
normally the air gap between the end of the female and the connector shell 
over the face of the dielectric, provided the pin soldering is smooth and 
without points or accidental closure of the air gap at the pin area with 
sloppy wiring or soldering.

I normally high-pot my PL259 installations to 5000 volts or higher as a 
cable test to check for stray shield strands or other problems. SO-239's 
test just as high or higher, and all of my 1:1 baluns are tested that way 
before installation and they use UHF females.

Other then the fact some plastics in cheap connectors heat a bit at extreme 
voltage and high frequency, I can't imagine any need for Teflon other than 
soldering or reduced carbon tracking from lightning or arcs. I mainly use 
Teflon because I torch solder SO239's and 259's on my homebrew hardline 
connectors, and it is better with lightning arcs or 1500 watts into open 
terminated cables when a switch is wrong.

For your filter application, you could use anything.

73 Tom 

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