Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
Least we leave out the most important suffix-- /E8172 - I own Elecraft radio serial number 08172 Now the thread is compliant as well... It is still about Elecraft things! On 07/27/2017 10:31 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Common non-compliant indicators are: > > /M - I'm a mobile. All the M's belong to the UK > /R - I'm a repeater. All the R's belong to Russia > /PM - I'm a pedestrian and I'm on the air. PM belongs to Indonesia > /MM - I'm afloat. See /M > /AM _ I'm aloft. AM-AO belong to Spain 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
No, it is not illegal or non-compliant in the USand never has been. 47CFR97 permits *any* self-assigned indicator(s)beforeor after the call sign, or both, *except* an indicator that duplicates an FCC assigned indicator [AG, AA, AE, KT], or any indicator that duplicates an ITU-assigned prefix. Indicators are *not* confined to islands or locations, they can mean anything you want. There can be more than one before and/or after: QRP/QSX7027R5/K6DGW/6OVER6OVER6STACK ... I'm running less than 5 W, listening on 7027.5and I'm using a 6over 6 over 6 yagi stack is compliant ... incredibly stupid and foolish, but compliant. Common non-compliant indicators are: /M - I'm a mobile. All the M's belong to the UK /R - I'm a repeater. All the R's belong to Russia /PM - I'm a pedestrian and I'm on the air. PM belongs to Indonesia /MM - I'm afloat. See /M /AM _ I'm aloft. AM-AO belong to Spain Possibly compliant: /P - I'm portable. The P's are split and all ITU "P" prefixes have more than one letter/digit. Compliant: /Q - There are no prefixes beginning with Q, that sequence is reserved for the International Q-signals, of which QRP is one. The custom is to log mobiles in State/Province QSO parties as /abbrev>to permit working a mobile in different counties on the same band. The FCC doesn't care how you log a station. The mobile can be compliant simply by not making the county abbreviation an "indicator" [i.e. no "/"] Last time I checked, no one has ever gone to jail or paid a fine for violations to this regulation. One question that has always nagged at me: If a station running 5 W or less needs to send /QRP, whyshouldn't everyone running over 5 W [or some arbitrary power] send /QRO? This thread will end, probably soon, but it will also recur... it always does. 73, Fred ("Skip") K6DGW Sparks NV USA Washoe County DM09dn On 7/27/2017 5:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. You are NOT operating portable on the isle or QRP. Chas __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
A variation of this concern Stateside is the matter of putting country abbreviations on callsigns within State QSO Parties for mobile and expeditionary/rover operations. I have done that for many years as an expeditionary station in the Virginia QSO Party, and it helps for stations to know you have changed counties so they can work you again. I don't think there is any USA rule on that matter, but we all need to know and abide by our own rules. I also have a callsign in the UK and have followed the /p and /m when there. On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rick M0LEPwrote: > On Thu 27 Jul j...@kk9a.com wrote: > > I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries. > > Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification > requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation. > For example: > > In the UK the licence says that operators "may use" certain suffixes. > The only ones included are "/M", "/P", "/MM" and "/A". You could infer > from the "may use" wording that these suffixes are permitted and that > therefore all other suffixes are forbidden, or you could just assume > that these four are picked out in the licence but there's no explicit > prohibition against anything else being used. It would probably require > a court decision to detemine which of those options actually applies. I > have no desire to be involved in such a court case, so I'll use no > suffixes other than the ones the licence says I "may use". > > In the Kenya licence, the wording is "shall use", which makes it clear > that no other suffixes are permitted. The only suffixes mentioned in the > licence are "/P" (for use at a temporary location), "/M" (for use when > mobile) and "/MM" (for use when on a vessel at sea). If no suffix is > attached to a Kenya callsign then the operator must be at their main > station address, so, if you hear me signing as 5Z4/M0LEP then I'm at my > mother's house (and nowhere else) and if I sign as 5Z4/M0LEP/P I'm > elsewhere in Kenya. Log me as 5Z4/M0LEP when I've signed as 5Z4/M0LEP/P > (or vice versa) and you'll have a busted call. > > and incidentally, all the contacts I've made as 5Z4/M0LEP/P have been > using my KX3 with simple in-the-field antennas. ;) > > -- > 73, Rick, M0LEP (KX3 #3281) > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3tb@gmail.com > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and GØPWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
On Thu 27 Jul j...@kk9a.com wrote: > I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries. Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation. For example: In the UK the licence says that operators "may use" certain suffixes. The only ones included are "/M", "/P", "/MM" and "/A". You could infer from the "may use" wording that these suffixes are permitted and that therefore all other suffixes are forbidden, or you could just assume that these four are picked out in the licence but there's no explicit prohibition against anything else being used. It would probably require a court decision to detemine which of those options actually applies. I have no desire to be involved in such a court case, so I'll use no suffixes other than the ones the licence says I "may use". In the Kenya licence, the wording is "shall use", which makes it clear that no other suffixes are permitted. The only suffixes mentioned in the licence are "/P" (for use at a temporary location), "/M" (for use when mobile) and "/MM" (for use when on a vessel at sea). If no suffix is attached to a Kenya callsign then the operator must be at their main station address, so, if you hear me signing as 5Z4/M0LEP then I'm at my mother's house (and nowhere else) and if I sign as 5Z4/M0LEP/P I'm elsewhere in Kenya. Log me as 5Z4/M0LEP when I've signed as 5Z4/M0LEP/P (or vice versa) and you'll have a busted call. and incidentally, all the contacts I've made as 5Z4/M0LEP/P have been using my KX3 with simple in-the-field antennas. ;) -- 73, Rick, M0LEP (KX3 #3281) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. You are NOT operating portable on the isle of QRP. Chas -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call. Don't do it. Bill K4XS/KH7XS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
On 7/27/2017 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. That is not correct in areas regulated by the US FCC. The rules state in §97.119(c): One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each > indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark > (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an > indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or > both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator > may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules > or with any prefix assigned to another country. The callsign block QAA-QZZ is not assigned by ITU and thus /QRP does not conflict with any prefix assigned to another country or any indicator (e.g., /AE, /AG, /KT) specified by the Rules. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/27/2017 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. You are NOT operating portable on the isle or QRP. Chas -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call. Don't do it. Bill K4XS/KH7XS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
Maybe it has been changed, but I remember reading a number of years ago something in part 97 about for stateside functions you can pretty much put what you want before and/or after the call. Brain is getting a little fuzzy when you get this old, so maybe I dreamed it? :-) 73, W2/N2TK/N2 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:16 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. You are NOT operating portable on the isle or QRP. Chas -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call. Don't do it. Bill K4XS/KH7XS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL. You are NOT operating portable on the isle or QRP. Chas -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call. Don't do it. Bill K4XS/KH7XS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Until this thread I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries. I never log stations this way and I typically come back to a station calling me by just sending just their callsign. I have had many stations "correct" me, adding the /QRP. Operating with 5 watts can be a fun challenge. I have done it with good antennas and had amazing results however I have never signed /QRP. I am sure that the majority of contest stations that I worked could not care less what my power level was. John KK9A Walter Underwood wrote: Wed Jul 26 19:04:37 EDT 2017 I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU “Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document. • Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries (e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM.. • If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to decipher your callsign! • You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’. • If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’. • If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’. wunder K6WRU __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Don, You are so correct about affecting the rhythm. One other issue happens when signals are very weak. "/QRP" ads four characters more you need to copy. If after several tries I don't feel like I got the entire call correct I don't log it and I move on. If the QRPer is running and wants to use "/QRP", that is fine. When the QRPer is answering a CQ, especially in a contest, don't hang the "/QRP" on the call. The running station may not have good copy on you. The "/" may mean something else other than QRP. I have nothing against QRP. Each to their own as to what they are trying to accomplish. That is cool. I am just saying, try to help so the QSO is valid and you are in the log. 73, N2TK, Tony -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:25 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I recall my first contact after getting my KX3. It was on SSB. I did not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts." So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what counts. It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the QSO. There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so in general, I would discourage doing so. OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means use it. For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and operations like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with the receiving operator's 'rhythm". 73, Don W3FPR On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: > Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ??? > > The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want > special treatment". > > I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER > signed /QRP, or even mentioned the power level unless the contact > asked what I was running. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Signing QRP
I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest. An absolute waste of time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult. Usually the QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call. Don't do it. Bill K4XS/KH7XS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I told you this thread would go on forever... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 07/26/2017 06:20 PM, Clay Autery wrote: Bwah! My favorite! Can we please let this thread die? __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Because his link to the video clip from Stripes was funny and appropriate S. "Lighten up, Francis." 73, __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Then WHY are YOU pursuing it ??? > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" > > Bwah! My favorite! > > Can we please let this thread die? > > __ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
ThenWHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" Bwah! My favorite! Can we please let this thread die? __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Yep, and that is what I do too. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:31 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank my output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to make the contact. 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote: > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. > > 73 > > K0PP > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > pu...@af2z.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to r...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I agree 100% with Wayne about "...built my own radio..." Along the same lines, I answer any signal that sounds less than "perfect". It's more than likely it's a HB rig which leads to a very interesting QSO. Now, I will admit to having had a QSO when I said my power was less than 5 watts and the other station same back saying "SRI OM. YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO COPY". If I'm feeling "onry" I have replied "SRI. NOW AT 500 WATTS. HW IS COPY?" and the other station replies "FB. SOLID COPY NOW" But.. I'll admit, I'm still at 5 watts. Like most things, perception an preconceived opinions are EVERYTHING! 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM To: Nicklas Johnson Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if they’re local :) For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, like quantum entanglement. Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that *both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign. “/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon footprint!” (In my case, both.) I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and opportunity presented by QRP. 72, Wayne N6KR > On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <n...@n6ol.us> wrote: > > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see > how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason > that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional > state of a stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid > indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would > I care? > > I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or > critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. > > Nick > > On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: > >> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in >> the log. >> >> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email >> them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. >> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. >> >> ~C./WM >> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net >> [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] >> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM >> To: Ken G Kopp >> Cc: Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" >> >> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. >> >> 73, >> Kev K4VD >> >> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >>> respond. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> K0PP >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >>> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> kkinde...@gmail.com >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> ct...@ewnetinc.com >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This li
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank my output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to make the contact. 73, Drew AF2Z On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote: I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pu...@af2z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Bwah! My favorite! Can we please let this thread die? __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/26/2017 7:49 PM, John AE5X wrote: >> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond. >> >> 73 >> >> K0PP > ___ > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs > > John AE5X > http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond. > >73 > >K0PP ___ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ 1 Cup of This (Before Bed) Will "Destroy" Your Nail Fungus Wellness Above All http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/597938e82f66f38e838abst02vuc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Like signing emails with list of clubs they belong to, awards and all the Elecraft equipment with serial numbers. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Nicklas Johnsonwrote: > >> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> > I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually > there. Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a > pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to > transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz" > factoid about what they're doing. I'm unwilling to assume what someone > else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different > reasons why someone might do a thing. When I see a call sign coming across > from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their > indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're > (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're > telling me about it. > > For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making > assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I > absolutely do not have. > > Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza. There's just as > much reason to get mad about that. > > Nick > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c@widomaker.comOn 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, > W4TV wrote: > >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> > I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually > there. Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a > pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to > transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz" > factoid about what they're doing. I'm unwilling to assume what someone > else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different > reasons why someone might do a thing. When I see a call sign coming across > from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their > indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're > (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're > telling me about it. > > For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making > assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I > absolutely do not have. > > Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza. There's just as > much reason to get mad about that. > > Nick > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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BTW how do we know you're in Africa. Yes, you tweaked a button! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heilwrote: > > During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs > stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP. My view was that I > couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they > could do that. I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it > likely lessens their chances in a pileup. > > Dave K8MN > >> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. >> 73 >> K0PP >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@frontiernet.net >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I always answer such stations because there is a greater chance that they'll have an interesting rig. Maybe built from a kit, maybe nothing more than a few components stuffed onto a board "Manhattan" style. Or they may be operating from a tent or mountaintop. I've responded to these stations and have been one myself a time or two. And hopefully will again, repeatedly. John AE5X http://ae5x.blogspot.com/ 1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines in Seconds pepperific.org http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/597936fe6a95b36fe6361st04vuc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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It's not your job to verify there power setting. If he signs /QRP while running he's 1.5 KW amp, that's between him and his conscience. If you don't record the /QRP you don't have his call correct. When's the last time you asked for a copy of abcontacts license before sending a QSL card? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heilwrote: > > During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs > stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP. My view was that I > couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they > could do that. I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it > likely lessens their chances in a pileup. > > Dave K8MN > >> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote: >> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. >> 73 >> K0PP >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k...@frontiernet.net >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> http://www.avg.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I recall my first contact after getting my KX3. It was on SSB. I did not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts." So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what counts. It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the QSO. There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so in general, I would discourage doing so. OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means use it. For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and operations like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with the receiving operator's 'rhythm". 73, Don W3FPR On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote: Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ??? The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want special treatment". I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed /QRP, or even mentioned the power level unless the contact asked what I was running. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ??? The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want special treatment". I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed /QRP, or even mentioned the power level unless the contact asked what I was running. There's so much more to talk about instead of the radio and Wx. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Polityka Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:33 PM To: 'Elecraft' <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" Hello, I operate QRP 99% of the time. I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station. 73 Ron Polityka WB3AAL K2 & K1 owner -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM To: Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb3...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pin...@erols.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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But what will the QRO guys that calls /QRP do if this is disallowed? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 07/26/2017 04:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU “Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document. • Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries (e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM.. • If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to decipher your callsign! • You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’. • If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’. • If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommywrote: I respectfully disagree. Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all. It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air. 73! Tom - KB2SMS KX2 #01927 On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU “Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document. • Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries (e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM.. • If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to decipher your callsign! • You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’. • If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’. • If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommywrote: > > I respectfully disagree. Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be > treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all. > > It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't > bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air. > > 73! > > Tom - KB2SMS > > KX2 #01927 > > > On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I respectfully disagree. Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all. It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air. 73! Tom - KB2SMS KX2 #01927 On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Mike, Just as we all should. Regulations are such. Who really cares the power; it's the contact. I love <100 mw when it works. I usually don't bother with the suffix unless it is meaningful and I can claim it once contact is made and is solid. 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- ...the bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require. Mike, k5wmg __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Work 'em, Log 'em, move on ... It's a hobby ... -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nicklas Johnsonwrote: > >> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> > I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually > there. Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a > pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to > transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz" > factoid about what they're doing. I'm unwilling to assume what someone > else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different > reasons why someone might do a thing. When I see a call sign coming across > from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their > indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're > (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're > telling me about it. > > For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making > assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I > absolutely do not have. > > Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza. There's just as > much reason to get mad about that. > > Nick > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flow...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if they’re local :) For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, like quantum entanglement. Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that *both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign. “/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon footprint!” (In my case, both.) I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and opportunity presented by QRP. 72, Wayne N6KR > On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <n...@n6ol.us> wrote: > > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how > many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would > require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a > stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's > certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? > > I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique > their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. > > Nick > > On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: > >> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the >> log. >> >> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them >> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. >> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. >> >> ~C./WM >> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] >> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM >> To: Ken G Kopp >> Cc: Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" >> >> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. >> >> 73, >> Kev K4VD >> >> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >>> respond. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> K0PP >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n...@n6ol.us >> > > > > -- > *N6OL* > Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make it > real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not > worth supporting. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TVwrote: > > Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a > way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." > > I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually there. Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz" factoid about what they're doing. I'm unwilling to assume what someone else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different reasons why someone might do a thing. When I see a call sign coming across from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're telling me about it. For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I absolutely do not have. Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza. There's just as much reason to get mad about that. Nick __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I operated qrp exclusively for 25 years or so chasing DX and I also never liked hearing the qrp tag on the end. To me, it was a way of trying to get special treatment - sort of like cheating to me - and I never did it. The thrill was in the chase and either finding someone down in the mud others might be passing over and working them qrp or getting through pileups with skill and not mega-power. That said, it was fun when I worked a friend's station and got through the pileup on the first or second call - at least for a while. Now I'm 1 watt to 500 and I'm finally in a good place location-wise. Unfortunately, the bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require. Mike, k5wmg On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <d...@nk7z.net> wrote: > My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that > won't die. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or >> > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate >> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does >> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators >> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators >> make a special effort "to work the weak station." >> >> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your >> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in >> front of a bull. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> >>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or >>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how >>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would >>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a >>> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's >>> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? >>> >>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or >>> critique >>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: >>> >>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the >>>> log. >>>> >>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them >>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. >>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. >>>> >>>> ~C./WM >>>> >>>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth. >>>> net] >>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM >>>> To: Ken G Kopp >>>> Cc: Elecraft >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" >>>> >>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Kev K4VD >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >>>>> respond. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> K0PP >>>>> __ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> __ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
You're right Dave. When did this list become a court used to judge people? If you don't want to answer someone signing/qrp, then don't! You are in control and there is probably a big knob on your rig that you can turn. I would ask the moderators to kill this thread. It is silly and childish. Dave KD9VT On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <d...@nk7z.net> wrote: > My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that > won't die. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > > On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or >> > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. >> >> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a >> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." >> >> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate >> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does >> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators >> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators >> make a special effort "to work the weak station." >> >> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your >> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in >> front of a bull. >> >> 73, >> >> ... Joe, W4TV >> >> >> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: >> >>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or >>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how >>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would >>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a >>> stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's >>> certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? >>> >>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or >>> critique >>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: >>> >>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the >>>> log. >>>> >>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them >>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. >>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. >>>> >>>> ~C./WM >>>> >>>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth. >>>> net] >>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM >>>> To: Ken G Kopp >>>> Cc: Elecraft >>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" >>>> >>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Kev K4VD >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >>>>> respond. >>>>> >>>>> 73 >>>>> >>>>> K0PP >>>>> __ >>>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>>> >>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>>> Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> __ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com >>>> _
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that won't die. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators make a special effort "to work the weak station." In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in front of a bull. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. Nick On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log. If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. ~C./WM From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM To: Ken G Kopp Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n6ol.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement. It is a way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment." It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators make a special effort "to work the weak station." In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in front of a bull. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. Nick On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log. If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. ~C./WM From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM To: Ken G Kopp Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n6ol.us __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Hello, I operate QRP 99% of the time. I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station. 73 Ron Polityka WB3AAL K2 & K1 owner -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM To: Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb3...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
My sentiments exactly. Thank you! __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 7/26/2017 2:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote: > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how > many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would > require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a > stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's > certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? > > I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique > their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. > >Nick > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
Nick, in the UK, /QRP is NOT a valid suffix, so we do hear quite a few ops using it (and I would respond to them), but you shouldn’t hear one of us using it. 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108) -- Life is an eternal challenge, a variant on Maeterlinck's theme that the Bluebird of happiness is by the side of each and everyone of us, always within reach, yet, if pursued to catch and possess is beyond our grasp. - Donald Campbell, CBE. (1921-1967) > On 26 Jul 2017, at 20:27, Nicklas Johnson <n...@n6ol.us> wrote: > > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or > judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how > many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would > require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a > stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's > certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? > > I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique > their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. > > Nick > > On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: > >> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the >> log. >> >> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them >> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. >> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. >> >> ~C./WM >> >> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] >> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM >> To: Ken G Kopp >> Cc: Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" >> >> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. >> >> 73, >> Kev K4VD >> >> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >>> respond. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> K0PP >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n...@n6ol.us >> > > > > -- > *N6OL* > Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make it > real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not > worth supporting. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to m0...@alphadene.co.uk __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or judgmental about someone signing /QRP. I'm not in this hobby to see how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a stranger. Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken. So why on earth would I care? I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either. Nick On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote: > I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the > log. > > If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them > later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. > Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. > > ~C./WM > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] > on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM > To: Ken G Kopp > Cc: Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" > > I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. > > 73, > Kev K4VD > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- > > respond. > > > > 73 > > > > K0PP > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@n6ol.us > -- *N6OL* Saying something doesn't make it true. Belief in something doesn't make it real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not worth supporting. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP. My view was that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they could do that. I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup. Dave K8MN On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote: I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@frontiernet.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log. If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way. Calling them a lid would not fit that bill. ~C./WM From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM To: Ken G Kopp Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP" I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote: > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- > respond. > > 73 > > K0PP > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ct...@ewnetinc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond. 73, Kev K4VD On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Koppwrote: > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- > respond. > > 73 > > K0PP > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kkinde...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond. 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Hello everyone Nobody mentionned the importance of the antenna when operating QRP. Which is the best : 10 watts on a three element beam or 100 watts on a dipole ? I am not a DX champion or an avid contester but I reached te 100 countries without particularly hunting for any of these, and in about a year's time. Using a 6 el. log yagi on ten, an HB9CV on 15 and another one on 20. No complex for QRP on SSB, please, but adjust carefully your antennas ! 73 to all Jacques - Original Message - From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-) Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse anyone, I want them to get the call right first. As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal. I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not a all a tiny signal when conditions are right. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Ron all, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests will never stop signing /QRP... I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing using /QRP. As a result, I use a combination. I generally call by txing: cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is. For what it's worth, Mike ab3ap _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 12/06/07 06:39 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Well, I must have missed the memo. I thought this was the Elecraft list. But for the past couple weeks, it appears to be a general discussion list. I though the various and sundry QRP-L lists were more for that. Of course, I note a lot of cross-posting, so I guess folks like to see their words of wisdom on several lists. I wonder where one finds information about the K3 and K2, etc? Maybe on the Bird-watchers list? --- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ http://www.blurty.com/users/w2agn Member screwed by QRP-ARCI! http://w2agn.net/noarci.html ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Yes. And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year. To celebrate FISTS is offering the 20/20 award. Too bad there don't seem to be many (active) FISTS west of the Rockies. In these times of poor condx, I feel lucky to have finally amassed 100 points while running QRP (all I've got)... the 20/20 award appears out of reach. Oh well, I'm still having fun! 73 de chris K6DBG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Bird-watchers list? When's LAITF? Scott N1AIA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:02:21 -0400 Stephen W. Kercel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing /QRP is perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for self-assigned indicators. There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last sentence of the regulation says No self-assigned may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix assigned to another country. Q signals, including QRP, pose no such conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular self-assigned indicators are illegal, particularly /M, commonly used by mobile stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, That's an odd one! The prefix M is indeed assigned to the UK and used in the amateur service. But in the UK /M it is also the legally assigned suffix to be used when operating from a vehicle or as a pedestrian (leaving aside the recent regulation change in the UK which seems to have made the use of the suffixes for mobile/portable etc. optional). As far as I can read in our regs there's nothing to prevent adding /QRP to one's callsign. As long as your basic call is given correctly then anything else is allowed in a QSO - tagging /QRP to the end seems to me to be just part of the rest of the QSO. It's splitting hairs to worry about the difference between GM4SLV/QRP and GM4SLVspaceQRP and (when I'm sending!!) GM4SLVmight be a space, might not be who can tell/QRP As to actually signing /QRP I tend to agree that in general it's pointless and even counterproductive, as it seems to put some people off - a real 559 turns into 339 in the mind of the op at the other end when the seed of oh - it's a QRP station doubt is sown too early in the QSO! I do find it useful as a QRP operator to know in advance that the weak station I can hear is actually QRP because then (through the theory of reciprosity) I can assume that he'll hear me just as well as I can hear him. Without this clue (/QRP) I tend assume other signals are from normal 100w stations and therefore I'll be receiving 13dB more signal from them than they will from me. I'll switch in my attenuator and see how it still sounds. If he's still workable I'll give him a call (not signing /QRP). I never sign /QRP but accasionally I'll add QRP into a CQ call if I'm on one of the QRP calling frequencies and want to inform other QRPers that I'll be able to hear them, if they can hear me. Cheers John GM4SLV Shetland Isles UK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Signing /QRP
As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing /QRP is perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for self-assigned indicators. There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last sentence of the regulation says No self-assigned may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix assigned to another country. Q signals, including QRP, pose no such conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular self-assigned indicators are illegal, particularly /M, commonly used by mobile stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, and /R commonly used by repeaters, a prefix assigned to Russia, and used for special ham callsigns for Russian WW2 veterans. 73, Steve Kercel AA4AK -- Interesting what you find when reading the rules! However, I wonder if your illustration of signing /M for mobile really is a problem. It's my understanding that when operating from a foreign country you would place that country's prefix in front of your call, not at the end as a suffix. In other words, in the U.K. I would sign M/W7AQK (or G/W7AQK?) rather than W7AQK/M. So, using the /M as a mobile designator wouldn't really be in conflict with the rules would it? It's being used as a suffix, and not as a prefix. Maybe that's not a correct interpretation, but I've never heard of anyone being dinged by the FCC for signing /M when operating mobile. Of course, I don't think FCC listens much any more to what goes on in the ham bands anyway! Dave W7AQK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Wouldn't the suffix have to be include a number (i.e. /M0 or /R3) to be confused with a prefix? Leigh/WA5ZNU On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 5:35 am, David Y. wrote: /particularly /M, commonly used by mobile stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, and /R commonly used by repeaters, a prefix assigned to Russia, and used for special ham callsigns for Russian WW2 veterans. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
I suspect John, GM4SLV, and Steve AA4AK are quite right about many responses to those signing /QRP. I always perk up when I hear /QRP because it promises to be an unusually interesting contact. When I call CQ on or near a QRP calling frequency such as 7040 or 14060 I use 5 watts or less and sign /QRP myself. I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests will never stop signing /QRP. If someone considers a QRP signal as unworthy of his or her time, that's their choice and I'm happy to help them avoid being ambushed by an unrecognized QRP signal just because it happens to be pounding in nice an strong at their end. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Ron all, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests will never stop signing /QRP... I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing using /QRP. As a result, I use a combination. I generally call by txing: cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is. For what it's worth, Mike ab3ap ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-) Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse anyone, I want them to get the call right first. As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal. I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not a all a tiny signal when conditions are right. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Ron all, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests will never stop signing /QRP... I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing using /QRP. As a result, I use a combination. I generally call by txing: cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is. For what it's worth, Mike ab3ap _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Can't agree with you more Ron! I think I've had more polite QSO's with QRPers than other random contacts. Another bunch that will spend some good QSO time with you other than the: Good meeting you, RST, QTH, Op, 73 QSO, is the FISTS group. Way too many fellows these days who plain don't want to talk and ragchew on CW. I have run into a lot of shooters, pilots, ship operators accidently while laying out fragments of my bio on CW QSO's. I feel VERY uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5 watters, then finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459 is running 100 watts! 72/72, Sandy Mostly W5TVW/QRP - Original Message - From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-) Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse anyone, I want them to get the call right first. As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal. I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not a all a tiny signal when conditions are right. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Ron all, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests will never stop signing /QRP... I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing using /QRP. As a result, I use a combination. I generally call by txing: cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is. For what it's worth, Mike ab3ap _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Yes. And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year. To celebrate FISTS is offering the 20/20 award. Your work 20 FISTS for 20 minutes each (at least) in each of the 12 months during 2007. The first month you get the certificate and and sticker for that month (say January). Then for each successive month you do it again and get another stick (for that month). Get all twelve (20 QSOs X 20 minutes per month X 12 months) and you get plaque for the anniversary award. To allow late comers to get the plaque, you get a free month sticker for any two consecutive months the feat is achieved. These can be used for missed months. The conversations have been wonderful. See awards at http://www.fists.org 73, Jozef FISTS 12313 CC 1875 Sandy wrote: Can't agree with you more Ron! I think I've had more polite QSO's with QRPers than other random contacts. Another bunch that will spend some good QSO time with you other than the: Good meeting you, RST, QTH, Op, 73 QSO, is the FISTS group. Way too many fellows these days who plain don't want to talk and ragchew on CW. I have run into a lot of shooters, pilots, ship operators accidently while laying out fragments of my bio on CW QSO's. I feel VERY uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5 watters, then finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459 is running 100 watts! 72/72, Sandy Mostly W5TVW/QRP - Original Message - From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-) Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse anyone, I want them to get the call right first. As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal. I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not a all a tiny signal when conditions are right. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Ron all, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests will never stop signing /QRP... I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing using /QRP. As a result, I use a combination. I generally call by txing: cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is. For what it's worth, Mike ab3ap _ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.14/845 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 6:39 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Signing /QRP
I respectfully disagree with the argument that folks with small signals are QRP or that running more power makes you less likely to ragchew on CW. I know many QRPers who have significant antenna systems and many 100 watters that have piss poor antennas. You can argue that folks who operate around the QRP frequencies are more likely to ragchew, be more polite, or whatever. My feeling is that folks who have built their own equipment and/or antennas, or who have challenges to just get on the air are more likely to chew the fat. Mostly because they are happy to play with hand-ons stuff. Cheers, Julius n2wn ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
It is much better to sign QRP after they give you a decent RST, it really annoys them!! It sort of makes the 229 no cpy you get after that a little shallow in meaning. 73 -- __ ___/ Chuck \_ | | | www.aa8vs.org/aa8vs | The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. -- William Arthur Ward -- Original message -- From: Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing. Hi Ken, Yes it can, but... I like to hear a guy sign qrp, especially these days, with poor propagation because... if I hear a fairly weak signal, and I'm thinking, he's probably running a hundred watts, I won't bother calling, because he aint gonna hear me. On the other hand, if I hear his /qrp, I'll immediately reach for the paddle, cuz I know he's gonna hear my K2! 72, Paul -- Paul - ve1dy - Halifax, NS SKCC #91, QRP-L #416, K2 - 5678 www3.ns.sympatico.ca/ppike On 6/11/07, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP
Ken and list: Generally speaking, if I hear a station calling CQ with /QRP, I'll answer with /QRP. Particularly on domestic QSOs, I'm more interested in working other QRP stations than high powered stations. Thus, when I hear /QRP I do not hear it as please take pity, but rather as here's an interesting QSO in the offing. It is usually not a good idea to sign /QRP in contests or DX pileups; in those circumstances, the station being called by multiple callers answers the first call he/she makes sense of; either the loudest or the shortest. Anyway, contest action moves too fast to allow for unnecessary information. As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing /QRP is perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for self-assigned indicators. There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last sentence of the regulation says No self-assigned may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix assigned to another country. Q signals, including QRP, pose no such conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular self-assigned indicators are illegal, particularly /M, commonly used by mobile stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, and /R commonly used by repeaters, a prefix assigned to Russia, and used for special ham callsigns for Russian WW2 veterans. 73, Steve Kercel AA4AK At 10:05 AM 6/11/2007, Ken Kopp wrote: Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com