Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
Don't know if bad drivers is the right term, possibly new drivers might be better. I agree however that trying to fool proof can lead to all sorts of problems. Although I thought [in the early 80's] that this cellular telephone business wouldn't catch on [heavy phone-in-a-bag] ... I am now on my 9th phone, this one a Verizon Samsung Galaxy 5 [I also told my wife that ATM's would be a loser for banks :-)]. The Galaxy 5 attempts to think for me in many places [spell check and auto-complete are only two small examples], and, with 29 yr old grandson's help, I'm slowly turning off the ones that I can. I'm totally capable to learn how to do something with it on my own. Likewise with my KX1, K2, K3, KPA500, KAT500, and P3. I'm not surprised how picky many have become, the technology we take for granted today is light-years beyond what we used in the 50's and we're used to pushing popcorn to nuke a bag to perfection [if it's correct side down]. I *am* glad however that Elecraft monitors this list [and likely others], and is very careful about implementing a suggestion from what could be a customer-base of one. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 10/3/2014 5:06 AM, david Moes wrote: Im not sure I would like this at all. sometimes I think that fool-proofing a rig is the wrong way to go as it take the ownership away from the operator to pay attention to what they are doing and panders to the shall I say the bad drivers. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
The problem isn't drivers or anything like that, it is attempting to deal with application software that does not handle the K3's unique interface. For example, WSJTX 1.4 when controlling *any rig* via DXLab Suite's CI-V Commander sets the frequency (VFO A), turns on split, then sets the transmit frequency (VFO B). In monitoring TCP commands between the two applications, I don't even see an attempt to set the mode of VFO A, much less VFO B - but that's moot because the software turns on Split before even setting transmit frequency. If the K3 were to force VFO B to the same frequency and mode as VFO A when split were enabled (if VFO A is in DATA or on a different band than VFO B) software like WSJT-X that apparently caters to the lowest common denominator in rig control interfaces would not be able to send the K3 off into the weeds. Remember, software like this generally does not have user programmable band change/frequency set macros - it is not a matter of user responsibility. This is more a matter of surviving software with limited sophistication when it comes to rig control. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-06 7:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Don't know if bad drivers is the right term, possibly new drivers might be better. I agree however that trying to fool proof can lead to all sorts of problems. Although I thought [in the early 80's] that this cellular telephone business wouldn't catch on [heavy phone-in-a-bag] ... I am now on my 9th phone, this one a Verizon Samsung Galaxy 5 [I also told my wife that ATM's would be a loser for banks :-)]. The Galaxy 5 attempts to think for me in many places [spell check and auto-complete are only two small examples], and, with 29 yr old grandson's help, I'm slowly turning off the ones that I can. I'm totally capable to learn how to do something with it on my own. Likewise with my KX1, K2, K3, KPA500, KAT500, and P3. I'm not surprised how picky many have become, the technology we take for granted today is light-years beyond what we used in the 50's and we're used to pushing popcorn to nuke a bag to perfection [if it's correct side down]. I *am* glad however that Elecraft monitors this list [and likely others], and is very careful about implementing a suggestion from what could be a customer-base of one. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2015 Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015 - www.cqp.org On 10/3/2014 5:06 AM, david Moes wrote: Im not sure I would like this at all. sometimes I think that fool-proofing a rig is the wrong way to go as it take the ownership away from the operator to pay attention to what they are doing and panders to the shall I say the bad drivers. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
The reason for programming a default smart split is to move the TX VFO *away* from the frequency of the DX station. How far to move? is a secondary issue. No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't hugely important. The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user double-presses AB to escape from the SPLIT N/A situation, it brings both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has become an industry standard. With one notable exception. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A-B button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on a different band rather than SPLIT N/A. Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the Smart Split splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW, UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote: Frank, Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. Am curious what a whole lot of button pushing means to you? Personally, I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once, before holding the same button to be extremely annoying. And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur. In any case, I hope you do not dump your K3 because you find a double push, and then a hold to be that much of an annoyance. Dick, K8ZTT -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
I'll agree with that Ian, set it a 3KHz, then let the user define his own split offset once split is activated. Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad On 3 Oct 2014, at 09:11, Ian White gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk wrote: The reason for programming a default smart split is to move the TX VFO *away* from the frequency of the DX station. How far to move? is a secondary issue. No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't hugely important. The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user double-presses AB to escape from the SPLIT N/A situation, it brings both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has become an industry standard. With one notable exception. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A-B button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on a different band rather than SPLIT N/A. Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the Smart Split splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW, UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote: Frank, Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. Am curious what a whole lot of button pushing means to you? Personally, I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once, before holding the same button to be extremely annoying. And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur. In any case, I hope you do not dump your K3 because you find a double push, and then a hold to be that much of an annoyance. Dick, K8ZTT -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
Pushing the button twice is so stressful??!! ...FYI there is a PSK application that will wait expectantly for some one to call you, answer the call automatically, and transfer the message you had for the calling station. I do not believe it completes the log entry however. :-)) Jim, W4ATK 61 years of amateur radio and still having fun! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
Im not sure I would like this at all. sometimes I think that fool-proofing a rig is the wrong way to go as it take the ownership away from the operator to pay attention to what they are doing and panders to the shall I say the bad drivers. if I am working split I make it habbit to set offset where I make the most mistakes is when I set the offset and forget to enable split. or worse make the contact move on to a station working simplex and forget that I am in split. and its really not that embarrassing and most figure it out in a call or so. those that don't aren't paying enough attention. In most cases when someone makes this error its often the Up cops that are worse QRM than the original offender. Thats when I get frustrated. If this must be done however make the offset mode specific it automatically 1khz in cw and 3 in ssb. but I dont see a great need. David Moes President: Peterborough Amateur Radio Club. dm...@nexicom.net VE3DVY, VE3SD On 10/3/2014 05:24, Ken Chandler wrote: I'll agree with that Ian, set it a 3KHz, then let the user define his own split offset once split is activated. Ken.. G0ORH Sent from my iPad On 3 Oct 2014, at 09:11, Ian White gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk wrote: The reason for programming a default smart split is to move the TX VFO *away* from the frequency of the DX station. How far to move? is a secondary issue. No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't hugely important. The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user double-presses AB to escape from the SPLIT N/A situation, it brings both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has become an industry standard. With one notable exception. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A-B button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on a different band rather than SPLIT N/A. Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the Smart Split splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW, UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote: Frank, Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. Am curious what a whole lot of button pushing means to you? Personally, I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once, before holding the same button to be extremely annoying. And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur. In any case, I hope you do not dump your K3 because you find a double push, and then a hold to be that much of an annoyance. Dick, K8ZTT -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has become an industry standard. With one notable exception. If you are going to do a Smart Split it needs *its own control.* I *DO NOT* want the Split button to change the frequency of VFO B. That can cause big issues when toggling in and out of split. Frankly, it is up to the operator to make sure where he transmits. There is altogether too much nanny mentality - it's time *PEOPLE* take personal responsibility for their actions rather than expect some one or some thing to fix their mistakes. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-03 4:11 AM, Ian White wrote: The reason for programming a default smart split is to move the TX VFO *away* from the frequency of the DX station. How far to move? is a secondary issue. No single value of frequency offset can be optimum for all modes, but anything is better than leaving it at zero! As a frequent user of Split for CW and RTTY, but only very rarely on SSB, I have found +3kHz a very acceptable compromise. Obviously it isn't perfect; but remember it is only a starting-point for tuning the pileup, so the exact value isn't hugely important. The main point is: the default Split offset should *never, never* be zero... and that is exactly where the K3 gets it wrong. When the user double-presses AB to escape from the SPLIT N/A situation, it brings both VFOs onto the same frequency - leaving the user only one step away from accidentally calling on top of the DX station. Other transceiver manufacturers recognise the need for better protection against that hugely embarrassing mistake, which is why Smart Split has become an industry standard. With one notable exception. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: 02 October 2014 17:48 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A-B button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on a different band rather than SPLIT N/A. Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the Smart Split splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW, UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote: Frank, Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. Am curious what a whole lot of button pushing means to you? Personally, I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once, before holding the same button to be extremely annoying. And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur. In any case, I hope you do not dump your K3 because you find a double push, and then a hold to be that much of an annoyance. Dick, K8ZTT -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
[Elecraft] Split N/A
Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
I agree. There are only two valid reasons for a transceiver refusing to obey a direct operator command: to avoid physical damage, or to avoid transmitting illegally out-of-band. So when the operator presses the SPLIT button, the transceiver should do as it's told! Every other make of transceiver will do that, and will automatically reset the second VFO (or second RX) to the same band and mode as the main. Most will also allow the operator to program an automatic frequency offset to eliminate any possibility of transmitting on top of the DX station. Those Smart Split options have evolved into an industry standard for a very good reason: it is what users need and expect. The K3 is not being uniquely smart in behaving differently... just uniquely ignorant of the way that SPLIT is used in real life. Please don't anybody say Use a macro - I wrote my own Smart Split macro on the first day that facility was released. But the point is: I shouldn't have needed to do that. Industry-standard options like Smart Split should have been part of the K3's core firmware since version 1.0.0.0. Sigh... seven years down the line, I can't believe we're still needing to beg for something that is so industry-standard and so obvious. 73 from Ian GM3SEK -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: 02 October 2014 07:03 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
Frank, Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. Am curious what a whole lot of button pushing means to you? Personally, I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once, before holding the same button to be extremely annoying. And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur. In any case, I hope you do not dump your K3 because you find a double push, and then a hold to be that much of an annoyance. Dick, K8ZTT -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8...@centurylink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. However, it would be appropriate when initiating SPLIT from the A-B button that VFO B mode be forced to that of VFO A if VFO A is digital and the frequency of VFO B be forced to that of VFO A if VFO B is on a different band rather than SPLIT N/A. Unlike Ian, I would not want the VFO B *frequency* changed (e.g., Quick Split) as long as it was on the current band since I'm just as likely to have set it manually even if I have not set the mode and the Smart Split splits will invariably be different mode to mode (up 1 in CW, UP 2 in RTTY, UP 5 in SSB, etc.) and band to band. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-02 11:13 AM, Dick wrote: Frank, Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. Am curious what a whole lot of button pushing means to you? Personally, I don't consider double pushing the same button I use to go split once, before holding the same button to be extremely annoying. And I do not have any issue with the K3 not going split with RTTY on one freq and CW/SSB on the other. You have to admit operating RTTY and SSB/CW split is not exactly a common mode. SSB and CW split (though not common) does occur. In any case, I hope you do not dump your K3 because you find a double push, and then a hold to be that much of an annoyance. Dick, K8ZTT -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Frank Westphal Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:03 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Split N/A Every time I change modes from CW to RTTY or RTTY to CW I get the Split N/A error message. I do not get this message when changing modes from CW to SSB or SSB to CW. Since I am primarily a DXer who works split having to change from split operation before mode change and then change back to split operation requires a whole lot of button pushing. This is extremely annoying almost to he point of considering selling the K3. Elecraft told me this was for my own protection. I don't need a company to tell me this is for my own protection and not willing to make a product easy to operate. I hope someone out there is radio land has a firmware fix for this annoying issue. Otherwise I have enjoyed operating the K3 for the last year. Thanks in advance. Frank K6FW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k8...@centurylink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Split N/A
I must say, push-push-hold is a reflex for me whenever working split, SSB/RTTY/CW. My only problem is pressing the wrong button -- V-M instead of A-B. HIHI It overwrites one of the memories. This error comes from having my computer and P3SVGA screens at right angles to the K3. Sometimes i'm pushing buttons by feel, especially if it has gotten dark and I haven't turned on a light. One question though, does anyone work cross-band split? I heard a W1AW portable operator enforce his DX only by listening for SSB in the middle of the US CW/data-only portion of the band. Going cross band might also have obscure uses. 73 Bill AE6JV On 10/2/14 at 8:13 AM, k8...@centurylink.net (Dick) wrote: Like yourself, I do quite a bit of DX RTTY operation using split, and to tell you the truth, I just tried what you are talking about, and you are right! To me honest with you, I hadn't noticed it before because I have a nasty habit of double pushing the SPLIT button before holding it to engage split. This relative simple operation of double pushing the SPLIT button transfers everything from A to B; then pushing the SPLIT button works just fine. --- Bill Frantz| QRP: So you can talk about | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | the ones that got away. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
