Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-11 Thread DL2FI, Peter
 
 From Elecraft, including USPS shipping and 20% VAT, at $1.60 to £1;
 £575.
 
 From QRP.DE, including shipping and German VAT, at €1.17 to £1; £680.
 
But thats only half the true.
There is another big difference: QRPproject warranty is two years and shipment 
under warrany is included. In USA you get one year warranty and as you live 
outside USA, you have to pay both way shipments even under warranty.

732 de Peter, DL2FI





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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-11 Thread Stephen Prior
Peter,

I have to confess that you have a very good point there.  We are so used
to having good legally backed warranties in the EU that we forget that
they have to be paid for!  We mistakenly assume that nothing will go
wrong, although in the case of the K3 for example, its modular approach
would simplify matters.

Part of the disparity in prices, it must be said though, is that the
exchange rate with the Euro is not as favourable to us as it is with the
USD.  If we still had about €1.50 to £1 it would make all the difference!

73  Stephen G4SJP

On 11/02/2011 19:42, DL2FI, Peter qrpl...@dlqrpag.de wrote:


 
 From Elecraft, including USPS shipping and 20% VAT, at $1.60 to £1;
 £575.
 
 From QRP.DE, including shipping and German VAT, at €1.17 to £1; £680.
 
But thats only half the true.
There is another big difference: QRPproject warranty is two years and
shipment under warrany is included. In USA you get one year warranty and
as you live outside USA, you have to pay both way shipments even under
warranty.

732 de Peter, DL2FI










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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-11 Thread Dave Sergeant
On 11 Feb 2011 at 20:42, DL2FI, Peter wrote:

 There is another big difference: QRPproject warranty is two years and
 shipment under warrany is included. In USA you get one year warranty and
 as you live outside USA, you have to pay both way shipments even under
 warranty.
 
 732 de Peter, DL2FI

Maybe of relevance for some. But with the excellent support from Gary 
and the team at Elecraft, plus the ability of most on here to carry out 
repairs themselves, it must be pretty rare for complete kit to have to 
be returned to Atpos. My 9 year K2 has never gone wrong, I have done 
mods to it over the years and changed the volume control, but have 
always had excellent service from Elecraft. The difference in cost for 
us UK customers makes it a non-brainer.

I assume buying from QRPproject does not stop you getting technical 
support from Elecraft?

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-10 Thread Julian, G4ILO

You can also buy from QRP Project in Germany if you want to avoid the high
shipping costs from the USA. I think German VAT is now cheaper than ours.
The built K3s are I think professionally assembled in Germany from kits.
It's a bit hard to find pricing on that website, though.

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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-10 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Prices at http://www.qrp-shop.de/200/cgi-bin/shop.dll?AnbieterID=1
73 de M0XDF
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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-10 Thread Stephen Prior
I haven't checked all their prices but have just done a comparison between
Elecraft and QRP.DE on the purchase of a P3 kit.

From Elecraft, including USPS shipping and 20% VAT, at $1.60 to £1;  £575.

From QRP.DE, including shipping and German VAT, at €1.17 to £1; £680.

I haven't bothered with a calculation for someone in the Eurozone buying
both ways, but for the UK there's no doubt that direct from Elecraft is
significantly cheaper, despite relative high shipping costs.  As a matter
of comparison, at today's exchange rate, the P3 would cost the equivalent
of £440 collected in person from Aptos.

I did a similar check some time ago on the K3 and came to much the same
relative difference.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 10/02/2011 18:04, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk
wrote:


Prices at http://www.qrp-shop.de/200/cgi-bin/shop.dll?AnbieterID=1
73 de M0XDF
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virtue than education without natural ability. -Cicero, statesman,
orator, writer (106-43 BC)

On 10 Feb 2011, at 17:31, Julian, G4ILO wrote:

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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-10 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
My thanks to all who answered my question, and to those who offered 
suggestions.

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD

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[Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-09 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Could somebody in the UK please tell me how much Import Duty (roughly) one 
has to pay if one buys a factory built K3 (100 watt version).

With thanks,

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD 

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Re: [Elecraft] UK Import Duty attracted by factory built K3.

2011-02-09 Thread Brendan Minish
You will have to pay Local VAT on the price (including shipping) + a
handling fee imposed by the shipping company (usually fairly small ) on
importation to the EU 
there is no 'Duty' on amateur radio equipment coming into the EU
providing the correct tarrif codes are used and the paperwork is
correctly filled out. Elecraft are familiar with the paperwork
requirements.

I have 2 K3's and am selling the second one (SO2R is not for me! ) 
Contact me off list for spec and pricing. I can optionally configure it
to you requirements.

73
Brendan EI6IZ 



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 Could somebody in the UK please tell me how much Import Duty (roughly) one 
 has to pay if one buys a factory built K3 (100 watt version).
 
 With thanks,
 
 73,
 Geoff
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[Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread David Andrews
This has been mentioned from time to time but still caused a problem when I
ordered a KX1 kit recently. Elecraft's documentation is correct and
perfectly clear - one of the commodity codes was 8529 9040 00. UK Customs
truncated this to 8529 90 and charged import duty at 3%. If you don't pay,
you can't get your parcel. Then the fun begins, because had all 8 (or10)
digits been taken into account, no duty was payable. I'm waiting to see if I
get a refund, but why do they still get the wrong answer?
 
David G4CWB
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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread David Pratt
My guess is that you win some and lose some, David. I was surprised that 
I didn't even have pay the VAT on my 30/80m  firmware KX1 upgrade even 
thought the UK cost was more than the £18 limit for merchandise.  I am 
not complaining, but the best of luck in your own pursuit.


73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] said

This has been mentioned from time to time but still caused a problem when I
ordered a KX1 kit recently. Elecraft's documentation is correct and
perfectly clear - one of the commodity codes was 8529 9040 00. UK Customs
truncated this to 8529 90 and charged import duty at 3%. If you don't pay,
you can't get your parcel. Then the fun begins, because had all 8 (or10)
digits been taken into account, no duty was payable. I'm waiting to see if I
get a refund, but why do they still get the wrong answer?


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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty (fwd)

2006-06-14 Thread John GM4SLV




David et al,

It's a mystery to me too.

I received a K2 kit on Thursday which is now sitting on the bench, tuned to 
7040.00 having passed all tests at Alignment stage II, has had the filters 
aligned with noise gen/AF spectrum analyser and the MDS estimated with a XG1 on 
1uV at -138dBm (pre-amp on).


I was charged 12.74 GBP for Import Duty and had to pay Parcel Farce (over the 
phone, by credit card, to Aberdeen) before they'd release it for delivery. They 
didn't even have the decency to get it as far as my local delivery office so I 
could pay in person - Aberdeen is 200 miles south of me (a 14 hour overnight 
ferry trip each way)


It makes a mockery of the use of Commodity Codes to set the duty rate if the 
Customs routinely ignore correctly applied codes. Is it a case of charge them 
anyway and only repay the ones who complain?


I am currently away from home, but when I get back I shall be applying for a 
refund of my 12.74GBP. Can't let them get away with it every time!


Cheers,

John

K1 1672
K2 5542 (2/3 of the way there.)


On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, David Andrews wrote:


This has been mentioned from time to time but still caused a problem when I
ordered a KX1 kit recently. Elecraft's documentation is correct and
perfectly clear - one of the commodity codes was 8529 9040 00. UK Customs
truncated this to 8529 90 and charged import duty at 3%. If you don't pay,
you can't get your parcel. Then the fun begins, because had all 8 (or10)
digits been taken into account, no duty was payable. I'm waiting to see if I
get a refund, but why do they still get the wrong answer?

David G4CWB


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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty (fwd)

2006-06-14 Thread f5nhj

18 £ Waow ...

I spend 273, 68 Euros quite 300 usd to get home my K2 ... but for this crazy 
price they brought it at my door.


Europe taxes the way for governement to make money hi hi !!

jean louis
F5NHJ - REF  ARRL member
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/f5nhj/ 


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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Stewart Baker
This is a timely thread having just collected from Parcel Force, a package 
containing my latest Elecraft kit purchase.
I was charged £9.23 import duty into the EU plus VAT on that amount.
On all my previous packages I have been charged nothing.

I phoned the Customs  Excise (or whatever they now call themselves), and was 
told that the £9.23 represents 3% import duty on the value of goods ($539).
They have an old computer system which only recognises the first 6 digits of 
the 
Commodity Code, and this is where they got the 3% duty from. The last 4 digits, 
if they bothered to look indicate that there is 0% duty. They seem to rely on 
customer action to correct errors. 

The US Postal Service Customs Declaration and Dispatch Note has clearly typed 
the HS tariff number 8529 9040 00, however the description was for:-
Transmitter Equipment with Built-in Receiver Except Mobile Phones and Aircraft 
Equipment.

This contents description on the Customs Declaration was wrong, not matching 
the 
Commodity Code, and should have referred  to Parts for use with Radio. 
This is something that Elecraft should rectify immediately.

I now have to submit a covering letter, proof of purchase and the labeling to 
get the duty and part of the VAT refunded. 
Not a Happy Bunny !!

Stewart G3RXQ


On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 10:17:39 +0100, David Andrews wrote:
 This has been mentioned from time to time but still caused a problem when I

 ordered a KX1 kit recently. Elecraft's documentation is correct and
 perfectly clear - one of the commodity codes was 8529 9040 00. UK Customs
 truncated this to 8529 90 and charged import duty at 3%. If you don't pay,
 you can't get your parcel. Then the fun begins, because had all 8 (or10)
 digits been taken into account, no duty was payable. I'm waiting to see if I
 get a refund, but why do they still get the wrong answer?

 David G4CWB
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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty (fwd)

2006-06-14 Thread kbgluxford
Well guys, just thank God you have all the benefits of belonging to the 
European Union.  You have to pay for the privilege somehow.


Just don't give our little Johnny Howard ideas above his station.

73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

f5nhj wrote:

18 £ Waow ...

I spend 273, 68 Euros quite 300 usd to get home my K2 ... but for this 
crazy price they brought it at my door.


Europe taxes the way for governement to make money hi hi !!

jean louis
F5NHJ - REF  ARRL member
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/f5nhj/
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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Larry Phipps


Technically, I think the code is

8529 9040 000 

That is what I use when sending my kits to EU. 


Larry N8LP



Stewart Baker wrote:
This is a timely thread having just collected from Parcel Force, a package 
containing my latest Elecraft kit purchase.

I was charged £9.23 import duty into the EU plus VAT on that amount.
On all my previous packages I have been charged nothing.

I phoned the Customs  Excise (or whatever they now call themselves), and was 
told that the £9.23 represents 3% import duty on the value of goods ($539).
They have an old computer system which only recognises the first 6 digits of the 
Commodity Code, and this is where they got the 3% duty from. The last 4 digits, 
if they bothered to look indicate that there is 0% duty. They seem to rely on 
customer action to correct errors. 

The US Postal Service Customs Declaration and Dispatch Note has clearly typed 
the HS tariff number 8529 9040 00, however the description was for:-
Transmitter Equipment with Built-in Receiver Except Mobile Phones and Aircraft 
Equipment.


This contents description on the Customs Declaration was wrong, not matching the 
Commodity Code, and should have referred  to Parts for use with Radio. 
This is something that Elecraft should rectify immediately.


I now have to submit a covering letter, proof of purchase and the labeling to 
get the duty and part of the VAT refunded. 
Not a Happy Bunny !!


Stewart G3RXQ

  
  

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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Peter Howson

Hi

It is just too difficult to check. -- I had to pay import duty on my K2 - 
but the additional modules and upgrades purchased a year later went through 
the system with no problems. So why do they use the computer excuse.


As you pay VAT on top of the duty (taxing the tax) you will get back a bit 
morte than the duty. My refund took three months with two telephone calls 
and two letters and to twist the dagger the letter with the refund 
acknowledged the additional evidence that determined the exempt nature of 
the goods -- the inference being that it was my fault all along.


But with the fiasco at the Home Office why should any other government 
department be any better.


73
Peter
GM8GAX
K2 #4027


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AW: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Peter Zenker

Larry, thats an old number, they changed early this year.

The actual number is: 8525 2080 900 for atransmitter with built in receiver
if is not for telefone or aeronautical use

The number for accessories is:  8529 9040 000  ( parts or acceries used for
a transmitter with built in receiver, not for telefone or aeronautical use)

73 de Peter, DL2FI
www.qrpproject.de




 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Phipps
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 16:56
 An: Stewart Baker
 Cc: Elecraft Reflector
 Betreff: Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty
 
 
 Technically, I think the code is
 
 8529 9040 000 
 
 That is what I use when sending my kits to EU. 
 
 Larry N8LP
 


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AW: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Peter Zenker
 
 The US Postal Service Customs Declaration and Dispatch Note 
 has clearly typed the HS tariff number 8529 9040 00, however 
 the description was for:- Transmitter Equipment with Built-in 
 Receiver Except Mobile Phones and Aircraft Equipment.
 
 This contents description on the Customs Declaration was 
 wrong, not matching the Commodity Code, and should have 
 referred  to Parts for use with Radio. 
 This is something that Elecraft should rectify immediately.
 

Correct description but wrong number, Steward. That must have been in the
days when they changed the number. In those days I checked the new number
for elecraft, since that day the use the new number.
The second problem: USPS does not insure  500 USD, so if you order a
complete K2, elecraft divide this into 2 shipments now. You have to pay
twice the shipping cost and 17,5% VAT on both, price of the K2 plus shipment
cost.

QRPproject is receiving big elecraft packages every second week, believe me,
I know how expensive this shipment and VAT stuff is.

73 de Peter, DL2FI

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Re: AW: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Stewart Baker
Sorry Peter, but I checked the number against the description with our Duty 
people today 14/06/2006. Their document says 8529 9040 00 = Parts for Radio 
which is what a kit is.

I am pleased that I did not know about your second point while I was waiting 
for 
my package. Anyway everything arrived safely, and it is just the reclaiming of 
duty from the government.

I only thought that the EU was a problem for it's member countries, now I see 
that it is a problem for the rest of the world.

Oh well - off to get a beer !

73
Stewart G3RXQ

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:46:43 +0200, Peter Zenker wrote:


 The US Postal Service Customs Declaration and Dispatch Note
 has clearly typed the HS tariff number 8529 9040 00, however
 the description was for:- Transmitter Equipment with Built-in
 Receiver Except Mobile Phones and Aircraft Equipment.

 This contents description on the Customs Declaration was
 wrong, not matching the Commodity Code, and should have
 referred  to Parts for use with Radio.
 This is something that Elecraft should rectify immediately.


 Correct description but wrong number, Steward. That must have been in the
 days when they changed the number. In those days I checked the new number
 for elecraft, since that day the use the new number.
 The second problem: USPS does not insure  500 USD, so if you order a
 complete K2, elecraft divide this into 2 shipments now. You have to pay
 twice the shipping cost and 17,5% VAT on both, price of the K2 plus shipment
 cost.

 QRPproject is receiving big elecraft packages every second week, believe me,
 I know how expensive this shipment and VAT stuff is.

 73 de Peter, DL2FI


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Re: AW: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Larry Phipps


The 8529 9040 000 number that I use is the correct one for my kits, I 
believe, as my kits are considered accessories. What I was pointing out 
is that the last 0 may be important in their system, and it appeared 
to be omitted.


Larry N8LP



Peter Zenker wrote:

Larry, thats an old number, they changed early this year.

The actual number is: 8525 2080 900 for atransmitter with built in receiver
if is not for telefone or aeronautical use

The number for accessories is:  8529 9040 000  ( parts or acceries used for
a transmitter with built in receiver, not for telefone or aeronautical use)

73 de Peter, DL2FI
www.qrpproject.de

  
  

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Re: AW: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Larry Phipps



Not to mention the major headache that RoHS compliance is causing the 
rest of the world.


Larry N8LP


Stewart Baker wrote:
Sorry Peter, but I checked the number against the description with our Duty 
people today 14/06/2006. Their document says 8529 9040 00 = Parts for Radio 
which is what a kit is.


I am pleased that I did not know about your second point while I was waiting for 
my package. Anyway everything arrived safely, and it is just the reclaiming of 
duty from the government.


I only thought that the EU was a problem for it's member countries, now I see 
that it is a problem for the rest of the world.


Oh well - off to get a beer !

73
Stewart G3RXQ

  
  

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Re: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Back in 2003 my K2/100 plus options came in under Commodity Code 8525 2099 
00,  Electronic Kits, which attracted 0% duty, although UK Customs did 
manage to add £10 under 'Other Government Charges'.  No doubt Customs and 
Excise have since changed the Code as part of a 'make work add confusion' 
exercise.


73,
Geoff
GM4ESD




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Re: AW: [Elecraft] UK import duty

2006-06-14 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

snipo
I only thought that the EU was a problem for it's member countries, now I 
see
that it is a problem for the rest of the world.
snipo

Not a problem here, no vat, no duty except on booze and cigs.  None of 
that RoHS stuff here either, yet.

We have signed up to Kyoto (sp?) though.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 

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