Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Re: "I believe this problem has been solved in Windows 10. I've not had a problem with com ports changing with Windows 10 updates."This made me realize that I have not seen com port reassignment on update on my Win 10 computers. I have seen it in the past on my Win 7 computers. I also have my computers (Win 7 and 10) set so updates are only installed when I shut down, or if I ask for them before that. I never get interrupted for updates. The setting for that is in Windows Updates somewhere. I'm not near my computers right now to check.Mark,KE6BB null __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Thanks Bob. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 14:25 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio F Y I - I pass along from another source. 73 Bob, K4TAX I am beginning, rather belatedly, to understand the source of the many users reporting low Tx audio levels with the 64-bit MS Windows version of WSJT-X. I stated above that "Pwr" slider in WSJT-X directly controls the Windows audio mixer control for the chosen audio output device. That is no longer the case for the 64-bit version of WSJT-X on... Windows (built with Qt v5.12.4), instead the "Pwr" control is adjusting a digital attenuator before the mixer control. There is no fix available from the Qt team because this change was deliberate, the problem they were solving is that the level on a Qt audio output stream is supposed to be separately and individually adjustable, that's fine if there is only one output stream to the audio device but if there are multiple streams then using the per-process mixer level is not going to work since it will adjust the level of every stream from that process. To get back to the required level you must set the mixer control for the WSJT-X application to exactly the level of the master volume for the output device, do not just set it to maximum as that will potentially push the master level to above 0dB if your soundcard has an amplifier stage. To adjust the mixer level you must first initiate a transmission, a short "Tune" is sufficient to reveal the mixer control for the WSJT-X application. I will write up a procedure, tomorrow when I am less tired, that explains how to do the one time setup for the audio level with the 64-bit Windows version of WSJT-X. 73 Bill G4WJS. On 8/2/2019 8:28 AM, Mark Musick wrote: > I believe this problem has been solved in Windows 10. > I've not had a problem with com ports changing with Windows 10 updates. > The problem has been with audio settings changing. The setting its self > doesn't change, but the audio level at that setting changes. When upgrading > to version 1903 I had to increase the PWR (really an audio output) setting in > FT8 and increase the line setting on the K3S to get 4 bars solid with the > fifth bar flickering. > I think it was Don, W3FPR that mentioned some time ago that the com port > assignment problem had been resolved in Windows 10. Of course I could be > mistaken. If I am, someone will correct me. > > 73, > Mark, WB9CIF > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Bill Frantz > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 13:09 > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio > > As far as I know, Macs don't have this problem. Those trying to solve it in > Linux might try to understand how Apple addresses it. With some luck, the > Apple approach is in the open source part of MacOS, making it easy to study. > Windows users might approach Microsoft saying that other OSs have solved the > problem, why does your OS still have it? > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 8/2/19 at 2:52 AM, elecraft@mailman.qth.net (Dave B via > Elecraft) wrote: > >> You can "fix" regular USB<>Serial devices, to always show up at the >> same COM port, when the system (re)starts, or you (re)plug something. >> Plenty of instructions on the interweb, including this which I had a >> part in, that seems to work with Windows 10 & earlier. >> >> http://www.w1hkj.com/doku/doku.php?id=howto:taming_the_wild_comport_i >> n_ >> windows >> >> For Linux users, you can use "udev rules" to do the same (and more.) >> >> I have no idea re MAC's, but you could ask about the issue on any of >> the *BSD mailing lists. > --- > Bill Frantz|"After all, if the conventional wisdom was > working, the > 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be > going down, > www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > markmus...@outlook.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
F Y I - I pass along from another source. 73 Bob, K4TAX I am beginning, rather belatedly, to understand the source of the many users reporting low Tx audio levels with the 64-bit MS Windows version of WSJT-X. I stated above that "Pwr" slider in WSJT-X directly controls the Windows audio mixer control for the chosen audio output device. That is no longer the case for the 64-bit version of WSJT-X on... Windows (built with Qt v5.12.4), instead the "Pwr" control is adjusting a digital attenuator before the mixer control. There is no fix available from the Qt team because this change was deliberate, the problem they were solving is that the level on a Qt audio output stream is supposed to be separately and individually adjustable, that's fine if there is only one output stream to the audio device but if there are multiple streams then using the per-process mixer level is not going to work since it will adjust the level of every stream from that process. To get back to the required level you must set the mixer control for the WSJT-X application to exactly the level of the master volume for the output device, do not just set it to maximum as that will potentially push the master level to above 0dB if your soundcard has an amplifier stage. To adjust the mixer level you must first initiate a transmission, a short "Tune" is sufficient to reveal the mixer control for the WSJT-X application. I will write up a procedure, tomorrow when I am less tired, that explains how to do the one time setup for the audio level with the 64-bit Windows version of WSJT-X. 73 Bill G4WJS. On 8/2/2019 8:28 AM, Mark Musick wrote: I believe this problem has been solved in Windows 10. I've not had a problem with com ports changing with Windows 10 updates. The problem has been with audio settings changing. The setting its self doesn't change, but the audio level at that setting changes. When upgrading to version 1903 I had to increase the PWR (really an audio output) setting in FT8 and increase the line setting on the K3S to get 4 bars solid with the fifth bar flickering. I think it was Don, W3FPR that mentioned some time ago that the com port assignment problem had been resolved in Windows 10. Of course I could be mistaken. If I am, someone will correct me. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bill Frantz Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 13:09 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio As far as I know, Macs don't have this problem. Those trying to solve it in Linux might try to understand how Apple addresses it. With some luck, the Apple approach is in the open source part of MacOS, making it easy to study. Windows users might approach Microsoft saying that other OSs have solved the problem, why does your OS still have it? 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/2/19 at 2:52 AM, elecraft@mailman.qth.net (Dave B via Elecraft) wrote: You can "fix" regular USB<>Serial devices, to always show up at the same COM port, when the system (re)starts, or you (re)plug something. Plenty of instructions on the interweb, including this which I had a part in, that seems to work with Windows 10 & earlier. http://www.w1hkj.com/doku/doku.php?id=howto:taming_the_wild_comport_in_ windows For Linux users, you can use "udev rules" to do the same (and more.) I have no idea re MAC's, but you could ask about the issue on any of the *BSD mailing lists. --- Bill Frantz|"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmus...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
I believe this problem has been solved in Windows 10. I've not had a problem with com ports changing with Windows 10 updates. The problem has been with audio settings changing. The setting its self doesn't change, but the audio level at that setting changes. When upgrading to version 1903 I had to increase the PWR (really an audio output) setting in FT8 and increase the line setting on the K3S to get 4 bars solid with the fifth bar flickering. I think it was Don, W3FPR that mentioned some time ago that the com port assignment problem had been resolved in Windows 10. Of course I could be mistaken. If I am, someone will correct me. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bill Frantz Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 13:09 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio As far as I know, Macs don't have this problem. Those trying to solve it in Linux might try to understand how Apple addresses it. With some luck, the Apple approach is in the open source part of MacOS, making it easy to study. Windows users might approach Microsoft saying that other OSs have solved the problem, why does your OS still have it? 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/2/19 at 2:52 AM, elecraft@mailman.qth.net (Dave B via Elecraft) wrote: >You can "fix" regular USB<>Serial devices, to always show up at the >same COM port, when the system (re)starts, or you (re)plug something. >Plenty of instructions on the interweb, including this which I had a >part in, that seems to work with Windows 10 & earlier. > >http://www.w1hkj.com/doku/doku.php?id=howto:taming_the_wild_comport_in_ >windows > >For Linux users, you can use "udev rules" to do the same (and more.) > >I have no idea re MAC's, but you could ask about the issue on any of >the *BSD mailing lists. --- Bill Frantz|"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmus...@outlook.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
As far as I know, Macs don't have this problem. Those trying to solve it in Linux might try to understand how Apple addresses it. With some luck, the Apple approach is in the open source part of MacOS, making it easy to study. Windows users might approach Microsoft saying that other OSs have solved the problem, why does your OS still have it? 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/2/19 at 2:52 AM, elecraft@mailman.qth.net (Dave B via Elecraft) wrote: You can "fix" regular USB<>Serial devices, to always show up at the same COM port, when the system (re)starts, or you (re)plug something. Plenty of instructions on the interweb, including this which I had a part in, that seems to work with Windows 10 & earlier. http://www.w1hkj.com/doku/doku.php?id=howto:taming_the_wild_comport_in_windows For Linux users, you can use "udev rules" to do the same (and more.) I have no idea re MAC's, but you could ask about the issue on any of the *BSD mailing lists. --- Bill Frantz|"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Hi.
You can "fix" regular USB<>Serial devices, to always show up at the same
COM port, when the system (re)starts, or you (re)plug something.
Plenty of instructions on the interweb, including this which I had a
part in, that seems to work with Windows 10 & earlier.
http://www.w1hkj.com/doku/doku.php?id=howto:taming_the_wild_comport_in_windows
For Linux users, you can use "udev rules" to do the same (and more.)
I have no idea re MAC's, but you could ask about the issue on any of the
*BSD mailing lists.
73.
Dave G0WBX.
On 02/08/2019 02:02, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Totally agreed. Issues with Win 10 are, in my IT experience, usually
> user created problems. Yes port assignments can change, even by
> replugging a usb port. To me this is of little bother, unless I was
> removing, then would need remote access to correct which isn't that
> difficult.
>
> Bill
> 920-421-1172
>
>
> *From:* elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> on behalf of Dave B via Elecraft
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:15:01 AM
> *To:* elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
>
> Re:-
>
> If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are
> for DX clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may
> not be a good idea, since older systems are targets for malware. When
> MS stops supplying security patches, the situation will become even worse.
>
> Victor 4X6GP
>
>
>
> ALL systems are targets for malware, and crypto currency mining, be
> aware of that.
>
> As for security, well, Windows 7 is OK "Now", but after Feb' next year,
> as has happened within days of Win2k and XP being cast adrift, some
> "new" (previously known to hackers, but unreported to MS) vulnerability
> will be leveraged against Win7. Win 10 (& perhaps 8.x) will be
> patched, but 7, ?
>
> Depends on what % of the web is still populated by W7 I guess, MS have
> pushed out one or two updates to XP long after they otherwise cast it,
> purely due to the severity of the issue, and the damage even a small %
> of such population could cause. The recent RDP issue I think being one
> of them.
>
> So long as your border gateway device is secure, and correctly
> configured (UPnP disabled) updated and so on, you could survive running
> Windows 9x, so long as you never "went anywhere bad" on the 'net, and
> that's the problem.
>
> You have in practice, little control where your browser goes. OK, you
> my point it at an otherwise trustworthy site (QRZ, QSL, clublog and so
> on.) But they have adverts on there that are served up by external sites.
>
> Worse, many are animated to catch your eye, and also respond to the
> mouse cursor moving across them. ANYTHING that moves on screen is
> running code, and THAT IS where the issue is. That code can do anything
> it wants, as well as what you see it doing. Someone will probably know
> you moved (even unconsciously) your mouse pointer over their add.
>
> Some third party tools ("Ublock Origin" etc) can block many, but not all
> of such things. But many genuine sites that rely on the ad's to provide
> revenue to cover running costs, may then block your access to the site
> you want.
>
> ~ ~ ~
>
> Re your border gateway devices... Be prepared for some firmware
> updates in the near future. One of the popular embedded OS's used
> "VxWorks" has been found to have (at least) 11 critical vulnerabilities,
> and this stuff runs in billions of devices world wide, designed to be
> interconnected via the web too.
>
> See:- https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-725-notes.pdf Then scroll down to page
> 9 or 10 (depending on your reader)
>
> Note too: New problems for exposed NAS devices, that many people are
> unknowingly showing to the world!
>
> 73.
>
> Dave G0WBX.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Totally agreed. Issues with Win 10 are, in my IT experience, usually user
created problems. Yes port assignments can change, even by replugging a usb
port. To me this is of little bother, unless I was removing, then would need
remote access to correct which isn't that difficult.
Bill
920-421-1172
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on
behalf of Dave B via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:15:01 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Re:-
If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX
clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good
idea, since older systems are targets for malware. When MS stops supplying
security patches, the situation will become even worse.
Victor 4X6GP
ALL systems are targets for malware, and crypto currency mining, be
aware of that.
As for security, well, Windows 7 is OK "Now", but after Feb' next year,
as has happened within days of Win2k and XP being cast adrift, some
"new" (previously known to hackers, but unreported to MS) vulnerability
will be leveraged against Win7. Win 10 (& perhaps 8.x) will be
patched, but 7, ?
Depends on what % of the web is still populated by W7 I guess, MS have
pushed out one or two updates to XP long after they otherwise cast it,
purely due to the severity of the issue, and the damage even a small %
of such population could cause. The recent RDP issue I think being one
of them.
So long as your border gateway device is secure, and correctly
configured (UPnP disabled) updated and so on, you could survive running
Windows 9x, so long as you never "went anywhere bad" on the 'net, and
that's the problem.
You have in practice, little control where your browser goes. OK, you
my point it at an otherwise trustworthy site (QRZ, QSL, clublog and so
on.) But they have adverts on there that are served up by external sites.
Worse, many are animated to catch your eye, and also respond to the
mouse cursor moving across them. ANYTHING that moves on screen is
running code, and THAT IS where the issue is. That code can do anything
it wants, as well as what you see it doing. Someone will probably know
you moved (even unconsciously) your mouse pointer over their add.
Some third party tools ("Ublock Origin" etc) can block many, but not all
of such things. But many genuine sites that rely on the ad's to provide
revenue to cover running costs, may then block your access to the site
you want.
~ ~ ~
Re your border gateway devices... Be prepared for some firmware
updates in the near future. One of the popular embedded OS's used
"VxWorks" has been found to have (at least) 11 critical vulnerabilities,
and this stuff runs in billions of devices world wide, designed to be
interconnected via the web too.
See:- https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-725-notes.pdf Then scroll down to page
9 or 10 (depending on your reader)
Note too: New problems for exposed NAS devices, that many people are
unknowingly showing to the world!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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[Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
>>> Re:- If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good idea, since older systems are targets for malware. When MS stops supplying security patches, the situation will become even worse. Victor 4X6GP ALL systems are targets for malware, and crypto currency mining, be aware of that. ... <<< In the Mac world, a major issue is web sites that claim your Flash Player is out of date. DO NOT CLICK on that link. Go to Adobe and it will check your version. The 3rd party links may install a Flash Player but can also include bad things and you will have entered the administrator password to get the update. 73 Fred AC9RQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Re:-
If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX
clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good
idea, since older systems are targets for malware. When MS stops supplying
security patches, the situation will become even worse.
Victor 4X6GP
ALL systems are targets for malware, and crypto currency mining, be
aware of that.
As for security, well, Windows 7 is OK "Now", but after Feb' next year,
as has happened within days of Win2k and XP being cast adrift, some
"new" (previously known to hackers, but unreported to MS) vulnerability
will be leveraged against Win7. Win 10 (& perhaps 8.x) will be
patched, but 7, ?
Depends on what % of the web is still populated by W7 I guess, MS have
pushed out one or two updates to XP long after they otherwise cast it,
purely due to the severity of the issue, and the damage even a small %
of such population could cause. The recent RDP issue I think being one
of them.
So long as your border gateway device is secure, and correctly
configured (UPnP disabled) updated and so on, you could survive running
Windows 9x, so long as you never "went anywhere bad" on the 'net, and
that's the problem.
You have in practice, little control where your browser goes. OK, you
my point it at an otherwise trustworthy site (QRZ, QSL, clublog and so
on.) But they have adverts on there that are served up by external sites.
Worse, many are animated to catch your eye, and also respond to the
mouse cursor moving across them. ANYTHING that moves on screen is
running code, and THAT IS where the issue is. That code can do anything
it wants, as well as what you see it doing. Someone will probably know
you moved (even unconsciously) your mouse pointer over their add.
Some third party tools ("Ublock Origin" etc) can block many, but not all
of such things. But many genuine sites that rely on the ad's to provide
revenue to cover running costs, may then block your access to the site
you want.
~ ~ ~
Re your border gateway devices... Be prepared for some firmware
updates in the near future. One of the popular embedded OS's used
"VxWorks" has been found to have (at least) 11 critical vulnerabilities,
and this stuff runs in billions of devices world wide, designed to be
interconnected via the web too.
See:- https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-725-notes.pdf Then scroll down to page
9 or 10 (depending on your reader)
Note too: New problems for exposed NAS devices, that many people are
unknowingly showing to the world!
73.
Dave G0WBX.
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Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Has anyone tried UBUNTU (Linux)... 73 - Steve (ARS: WB4SED) On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:47 AM Bob wrote: > With Windows 10 the user can select when updates are applied and can be > notified when updates are available. Thus there is no interruption and > no restarts and installation is your choice. Use what's provided by the > system. Again, it is YOUR choice to use updates efficiently. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 7/31/2019 6:49 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: > > I stuck with Windows XP until the end. I have also purchased computers > > with Windows 7 when 10 was available and they all work very well. I > > have updates set to notify so I can install them at my leisure as the > > loading and reboots always seem to come at in inconvenient time. Can > > you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour > > in a contest. Also the Windows 7 updates to not appear to require > > software reloads like Windows 10 does with Writelog and maybe others > > or cause any sound card setting changes. Unfortunately Microsoft is > > ending support of Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. > > > > John KK9A > > > > > > > > > > Jim Brown K9YC wrote: > > > > > >> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. > > > > YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 > > rather than Win10 for radio. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dr3...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
I'll have to admit, the "best" of these was when I saw a Windows update start to load during a PowerPoint presentation. As a Mac user, I've never had a problem with the 2 USB <-> RS232 cables I have, one for the K3 and the other for the KX3. The Mac always gets them right, even when I change USB hubs etc. If you want to beat on Microsoft to fix their bug, here's some ammo. And you do have my profound sympathy for having to deal with the situation. 73 Bill AE6JV On 7/31/19 at 4:49 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: Can you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour in a contest. --- Bill Frantz| Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Thanks that is good to know. Rich On 7/30/2019 18:11 PM, Steve Glickstein wrote: Rich, my experience is that even with USB devices plugged in, major updates to my Win10 Pro system scramble various port assignments for comm and audio. I keep a document on my hard drive with the a port assignment list so I can restore them and run my ham software without any hiccups. 73, Steve W4FMD On 7/30/2019 2:13 PM, Rich wrote: I am sure many will be required to update Win10 to the supported version. I think 10/19 is the drop dead date on the current version for support, not exactly sure. Any who, I did mine yesterday and of course it hosed up my nicely labeled Codec audio entries in the Windows Sound Control Panel. It was not hard to get back in business and rename them, but as a note to others it recognized mine as Mono audio devices, hence I needed to change them manually to a stereo device (2 channel is the windows term) in the Sound Control Panel. My K3s was not connected to the computer USB when I did the update. I am now curious if this issue would be resolved if the K3 USB was indeed plugged into the computer during the update. I am going to try it during the next update. I hope this may save some others, some pain during the update process Rich K3RWN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4fmd.st...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rwnewbo...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
With Windows 10 the user can select when updates are applied and can be notified when updates are available. Thus there is no interruption and no restarts and installation is your choice. Use what's provided by the system. Again, it is YOUR choice to use updates efficiently. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 7/31/2019 6:49 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: I stuck with Windows XP until the end. I have also purchased computers with Windows 7 when 10 was available and they all work very well. I have updates set to notify so I can install them at my leisure as the loading and reboots always seem to come at in inconvenient time. Can you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour in a contest. Also the Windows 7 updates to not appear to require software reloads like Windows 10 does with Writelog and maybe others or cause any sound card setting changes. Unfortunately Microsoft is ending support of Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. John KK9A Jim Brown K9YC wrote: I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 rather than Win10 for radio. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
I stuck with Windows XP until the end. I have also purchased computers with Windows 7 when 10 was available and they all work very well. I have updates set to notify so I can install them at my leisure as the loading and reboots always seem to come at in inconvenient time. Can you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour in a contest. Also the Windows 7 updates to not appear to require software reloads like Windows 10 does with Writelog and maybe others or cause any sound card setting changes. Unfortunately Microsoft is ending support of Windows 7 on January 14, 2020. John KK9A Jim Brown K9YC wrote: I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 rather than Win10 for radio. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
On 7/30/2019 9:19 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote: If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good idea, since older systems are targets for malware. It's a great idea NOW, as long as the OS is supported. I WANT updates, but on MY schedule, not automatically. I have three Win7 machines, and they all get updated when I get the on-screen alert to do so -- IF I'm not in the middle of a contest or other operating activity. :) When MS stops supplying security patches, the situation will become even worse. I'll pay the extra support fee for my shack computer. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good idea, since older systems are targets for malware. When MS stops supplying security patches, the situation will become even worse. Victor 4X6GP > On 30 Jul 2019, at 23:49, Jim Brown wrote: > >> On 7/30/2019 12:02 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: >> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. > > YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 > rather than Win10 for radio. > > 73, Jim K9YC > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Andy, Two points. First I have used Win10 since it was available and had only one problem; I do use Windows compliant drivers. Second, YOU DO NOT have to upgrade all the time. There are some settings in the windows that allows you to opt out of auto upgrades. However, the upgrades also upgrade security on your system, and in today's world, you need the best security you can find. 73, Barry K3NDM -- Original Message -- From: "Andy Durbin" To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Sent: 7/30/2019 3:02:28 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio "I hope this may save some others, some pain during the update process" I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. I can only assume that those who think Win 10 is wonderful do not use USB audio devices. it seems that, at least once a week, someone reports having their USB audio configuration trashed by Win 10. Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to barrylaz...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Rich, my experience is that even with USB devices plugged in, major updates to my Win10 Pro system scramble various port assignments for comm and audio. I keep a document on my hard drive with the a port assignment list so I can restore them and run my ham software without any hiccups. 73, Steve W4FMD On 7/30/2019 2:13 PM, Rich wrote: I am sure many will be required to update Win10 to the supported version. I think 10/19 is the drop dead date on the current version for support, not exactly sure. Any who, I did mine yesterday and of course it hosed up my nicely labeled Codec audio entries in the Windows Sound Control Panel. It was not hard to get back in business and rename them, but as a note to others it recognized mine as Mono audio devices, hence I needed to change them manually to a stereo device (2 channel is the windows term) in the Sound Control Panel. My K3s was not connected to the computer USB when I did the update. I am now curious if this issue would be resolved if the K3 USB was indeed plugged into the computer during the update. I am going to try it during the next update. I hope this may save some others, some pain during the update process Rich K3RWN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4fmd.st...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
On 7/30/2019 12:02 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 rather than Win10 for radio. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
I have had a different experience here. Windows 10 Pro is one of the systems I use. Recently, I discovered that, while I was getting the usual windows updates, those updates would cease in September. Upon further reflection it seemed that the base Windows system was at a level of March 2018, or in Microsoft-speak, 1803. I had to force an update to 1907, the current base, by going to microsoft.com and following the instructions. All is well and all apps seem to work as well as they did before. I did all this because I was uncomfortable having a network-attached Windows system without security updates. YMMV. 73, Gary W2CS > On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Andy Durbin wrote: > > "I hope this may save some others, some pain during the update process" > > I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. I can only assume that > those who think Win 10 is wonderful do not use USB audio devices. it seems > that, at least once a week, someone reports having their USB audio > configuration trashed by Win 10. > > Andy, k3wyc > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alapa...@w2cs.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
"I hope this may save some others, some pain during the update process" I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it. I can only assume that those who think Win 10 is wonderful do not use USB audio devices. it seems that, at least once a week, someone reports having their USB audio configuration trashed by Win 10. Andy, k3wyc __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
I am sure many will be required to update Win10 to the supported version. I think 10/19 is the drop dead date on the current version for support, not exactly sure. Any who, I did mine yesterday and of course it hosed up my nicely labeled Codec audio entries in the Windows Sound Control Panel. It was not hard to get back in business and rename them, but as a note to others it recognized mine as Mono audio devices, hence I needed to change them manually to a stereo device (2 channel is the windows term) in the Sound Control Panel. My K3s was not connected to the computer USB when I did the update. I am now curious if this issue would be resolved if the K3 USB was indeed plugged into the computer during the update. I am going to try it during the next update. I hope this may save some others, some pain during the update process Rich K3RWN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
