Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Yes - Again, let's end this thread now, please. It has been beaten to death and to be honest, we really don't mind the attention from our competitors. We obviously are doing something right. ;-) I apologize for not jumping in earlier on this and several other large threads. I was overseas following the Friedrichshafen show until late yesterday and was not reading all emails. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator etc. --- On 7/3/2010 10:32 AM, Bob Garrett wrote: > Come on guys, Eric terminated this thread 15 messages ago. TNX and 73, Bob > K3UL > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Come on guys, Eric terminated this thread 15 messages ago. TNX and 73, Bob K3UL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
I usually tune with my left hand but use my right for keypad and most button entries. Rick K6LE On 7/3/2010, at 8:38 , Wes Stewart wrote: > You mean don't operate your radio with your left hand? How do you operate > your key? > > Wes N7WS > > --- On Sat, 7/3/10, Rick Prather wrote: > Does anyone else feel this looks like a left-handed radio? > > I personally would not like the keypad to the left of the tuning knob. > > Rick > K6LE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Well .. yes, but .. if it looks like a duck, etc. :-) Grant/NQ5t On Jul 3, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > No it wasn't. That was a different thread. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
No it wasn't. That was a different thread. http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/msg98701.html --- On Sat, 7/3/10, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: This subject was tagged [END OF THREAD] by Eric yesterday. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
This subject was tagged [END OF THREAD] by Eric yesterday. On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Excellent point. I am right handed but almost always use my left hand for > fiddling the knobs and buttons on my K3 (or, any other rig with one > exception). My right hand is either next to my Begali paddle or it is > holding a pencil/pen. > > The one exception is my mobile rig which is right of the steering wheel so > obviously I use my right hand for knob and button work. > > Phil, K7PEH > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > >> You mean don't operate your radio with your left hand? How do you operate >> your key? >> >> Wes N7WS >> >> --- On Sat, 7/3/10, Rick Prather wrote: >> Does anyone else feel this looks like a left-handed radio? >> >> I personally would not like the keypad to the left of the tuning knob. >> >> Rick >> K6LE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Excellent point. I am right handed but almost always use my left hand for fiddling the knobs and buttons on my K3 (or, any other rig with one exception). My right hand is either next to my Begali paddle or it is holding a pencil/pen. The one exception is my mobile rig which is right of the steering wheel so obviously I use my right hand for knob and button work. Phil, K7PEH On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > You mean don't operate your radio with your left hand? How do you operate > your key? > > Wes N7WS > > --- On Sat, 7/3/10, Rick Prather wrote: > Does anyone else feel this looks like a left-handed radio? > > I personally would not like the keypad to the left of the tuning knob. > > Rick > K6LE > > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
here it is as a .jpg http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WOQDzMLsPO4fHMFeO-PK-A?feat=directlink On 7/2/2010 5:35 PM, Kevin Rock wrote: > This is broken too. After crashing my system twice I find it is not worth my > time to download the .pdf > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > > -Original Message- > >> From: Lew Phelps K6LMP >> Sent: Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM >> To: Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood >> >> I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access: >> >> http://public.me.com/lewphelps >> >> Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? >> >> Lew Phelps K6LMP >> >> >> On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >> >> >>> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a >>> prerequisite >>> >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: >>> >>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE >>>> __ >>>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
You mean don't operate your radio with your left hand? How do you operate your key? Wes N7WS --- On Sat, 7/3/10, Rick Prather wrote: Does anyone else feel this looks like a left-handed radio? I personally would not like the keypad to the left of the tuning knob. Rick K6LE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Does anyone else feel this looks like a left-handed radio? I personally would not like the keypad to the left of the tuning knob. Rick K6LE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
I hope everyone realizes that this is NOT a Kenwood ad. It's just a particular British store's 'provocative' ad. Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html - Original Message - From: "Lew Phelps K6LMP" To: "Elecraft" Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood >I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access: > > http://public.me.com/lewphelps > > Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? > > Lew Phelps K6LMP > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
I like the fact that the K3 is now "the one to beat". Also, I think this isn't so much directed at current K3 owners (we know better), but at those that might consider moving to the K3 from the Yeacomwood lines. Also, as they don't sell K3s, it makes a comparison it claims is favorable without upsetting their suppliers. 73, Clark N8CBW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
The 590's display seems to be a pukey green color. Perhaps caused by it being 'green with K3 Envy'. Does anyone really believe that Kenwood is really inclined to again compete seriously in the HF market? Way to go Aptos Gang! 73 de N1LQ-Dave __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
I completely agree with you on the TS-830 and TS-850 - both excellent rigs and nothing Kenwood has done since comes close. I kind of liked the TS-480 but eventually sold it. I would think the TS-590 might be pretty good. It will be interesting though to see what the price comes out as. Doug -- KØDXV On 7/2/2010 4:46 PM, k...@baymoon.com wrote: > Let's see, now. While Yaesu was making FT-1000s, 9000s, and now 5000s; and > ICOM was making 7800, 7600 and 7700; Kenwood was selling its unimpressive > TS-2000. Now, we're supposed to believe that they've suddenly got religion > and are challenging the K3? Yeah, right. And, even if they actually made a > radio that has decent specs, does anyone really want to deal with Kenwood > customer service? In my opinion, the best radios Kenwood ever made were > the TS-830 and TS-850. Then, it stopped caring. And, so did I...about > Kenwood products, anyway. > > Rob K6RB > >> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Congratulations to Wayne, Eric, and the whole Elecraft team! One of the "big three" have publicly declared the K3 to be the one to beat. When your competitors start knocking you by name in their advertisements, you know you've made it. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
The suggestion that K3 owners should consider placing their K3 on e-bay is not necessary. Perhaps they might have considered that many HAMs own more than one radio and more emphasis could have been placed on "adding" the new Kenwood to their station rather than implying that K3 owners sell their K3 to fund a Kenwood purchase even before the full specifications of the new Kenwood have been published and prior to release of the TS-590. I thought it odd that ML&S found it necessary to even mention the Elecraft radio. I can't imagine what they hoped to achieve other than to promote the new Kenwood offering as the "best" radio available. Independant testing (Sherwood Labs, RSGB etc) will no doubt run their tests and if the Kenwood rates close to or even tops their list then this will do more for Kenwood sales than any advertising a dealer may make. I may have missed previous advertisements in the past where resellers have advertised a specific brand/model over another one. I can only assume that in this case ML&S sell major brands but as they do not sell Elecraft they felt it necessary to promote the idea of K3 owners selling their K3's and buying a product from ML&S. Whilst you/some may think I am being critical of ML&S, I would say that at first read I felt it odd that the K3 got a mention. Given my past work history it is not the wording I would have used. Further, I would have accentuated the positives of the new product I was advertising with no reference to any other manufacturer whether I was a reseller of those brands or not. I was simply making a comment and I make no apologies. 73's Gary On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I had the same question. > > --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Al Lorona wrote: > > From: Al Lorona > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood > To: > Cc: "Elecraft" > Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 4:50 PM > > What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative? > __ > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Let's see, now. While Yaesu was making FT-1000s, 9000s, and now 5000s; and ICOM was making 7800, 7600 and 7700; Kenwood was selling its unimpressive TS-2000. Now, we're supposed to believe that they've suddenly got religion and are challenging the K3? Yeah, right. And, even if they actually made a radio that has decent specs, does anyone really want to deal with Kenwood customer service? In my opinion, the best radios Kenwood ever made were the TS-830 and TS-850. Then, it stopped caring. And, so did I...about Kenwood products, anyway. Rob K6RB > https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
I had the same question. --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Al Lorona wrote: From: Al Lorona Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood To: Cc: "Elecraft" Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 4:50 PM What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative? __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Yes, what. The ad doesn't really give much info, positive or negative. Dunc, W5DC Al Lorona wrote: > What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative? > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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What was it about that ad that you thought was so negative? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
It is inevitable that the competitors would notice the success of the K3 and respond competitively. Kenwood used to make quality HF radios but long ago lost their way. I would be interested in seeing a review when one comes out. In my travels I think there are a number of people who object to the K3 because they like the larger face and more traditional controls such as individual band and mode registers. Most of these HAMS have not actually operated much with a K3. In my limited experience the controls you most want to use while operating are right there and ready for quick use in the K3. It may be slightly slower to change modes or bands, but it is not that big a deal. I think there may be a market for an add-on module that sits next to the K3 and offers more button and knob options. This may sway the more traditional. We might speculate as to what we want, but I would certainly add individual mode and band pushbuttons. I envisage a box identical in size to the P3, so you would have your add on module on one side, the K3 in the center and the P3 on the other. It won't work any better than the K3, but it will look impressive for those looking for the biggest box with the largest number of controls and buttons. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 2:36 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood This is broken too. After crashing my system twice I find it is not worth my time to download the .pdf Kevin. KD5ONS -Original Message- >From: Lew Phelps K6LMP >Sent: Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM >To: Elecraft >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood > >I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access: > >http://public.me.com/lewphelps > >Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? > >Lew Phelps K6LMP > > >On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > >> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a prerequisite >> >> >> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: >> >>> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM 3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE >>> __ >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Interesting advertising by ML&S Would have thought that even ML&S would have recognised by now that when you want to promote a product you get more buyer response when the advertising is of a positive nature. If they feel that to sell their "new" product they have to use a negative advert, then I think they may find it doesn't work as well as they might hope.. I wonder if they truly think that K3 owners are going to sell their K3's to buy a Kenwood? Kenwood still have to produce their radio and independant testing will show if indeed they got it right. The TS-480SAT is not what I would call a great radio and yes I sold mine, the K3 is a great radio that is still evolving and being improved. I don't expect Kenwood will update their firmware too much after they are enter production.The TS-570 was also not what I would call a great radio, better than the IC-718 I found, but not in the class of any Elite radio. They will need to greatly improve their DSP user adjustments and do it far better than the TS-480 rigs which I found terrible to use. I decided to try the TS-480 I had for a week and not turn on the K3 as I was hopeful the TS-480 would make a good backup and mobile rig..I became disheartened after a few days and put it on e-bay. No regrets here. 73's Gary On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 7:51 AM, ussv dharma wrote: > Kenwood does not see the trees for the forestthe usual Kenwood "non > customer friendly support" will probably prevail. > > One of the best things the K3 has going for it is "CUSTOMER SUPPORT: > > END OF STORY > > SUSAN > If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're > headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM > USSV DHARMA > > > --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote: > > > From: Lew Phelps K6LMP > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood > > To: "Elecraft" > > Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 11:19 AM > > I downloaded this PDF file and > > uploaded it to a site anyone can access: > > > > http://public.me.com/lewphelps > > > > Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? > > > > Lew Phelps K6LMP > > > > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > > > > Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a > > Google account isn't a prerequisite > > > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > > > > > >> > https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE > > >> > > __ > > > > > > > > __ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Kenwood does not see the trees for the forestthe usual Kenwood "non customer friendly support" will probably prevail. One of the best things the K3 has going for it is "CUSTOMER SUPPORT: END OF STORY SUSAN If you don't change direction you WILL arrive exactly where you're headed!! Susan Meckley, Skipper W7KFI-mm AFA9SM USSV DHARMA --- On Fri, 7/2/10, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote: > From: Lew Phelps K6LMP > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood > To: "Elecraft" > Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 11:19 AM > I downloaded this PDF file and > uploaded it to a site anyone can access: > > http://public.me.com/lewphelps > > Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? > > Lew Phelps K6LMP > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > > Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a > Google account isn't a prerequisite > > > > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > > > >> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE > >> > __ > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
This is broken too. After crashing my system twice I find it is not worth my time to download the .pdf Kevin. KD5ONS -Original Message- >From: Lew Phelps K6LMP >Sent: Jul 2, 2010 2:19 PM >To: Elecraft >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood > >I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access: > >http://public.me.com/lewphelps > >Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? > >Lew Phelps K6LMP > > >On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > >> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a >> prerequisite >> >> >> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: >> >>> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE >>> __ >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Specs and price is not out yet. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Lew Phelps K6LMP wrote: > I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access: > > http://public.me.com/lewphelps > > Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? > > Lew Phelps K6LMP > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > >> Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a >> prerequisite >> >> >> On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: >> >>> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE >>> __ >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Hah! - No sub RX or second VFO control, and they seem to have stolen the tap/hold controls! 73, Pete N4ZR The World Contest Station Database, updated daily at www.conteststations.com The Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com, spots at telnet.reversebeacon.net, port 7000 On 7/2/2010 4:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
I downloaded this PDF file and uploaded it to a site anyone can access: http://public.me.com/lewphelps Has anyone seen specs and price for the new Kenwood? Lew Phelps K6LMP On Jul 2, 2010, at 2:11 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a > prerequisite > > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > >> https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE >> __ > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
Any chance this exists somewhere where creating a Google account isn't a prerequisite On Jul 2, 2010, at 3:43 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bw6A6YLa6L3rZjhjNWRiMGUtODZiMi00OWM3LTljYmItNWM3ODY2YWU0YjVi&hl=en&authkey=CLe25YAE > __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] rather provocative advert from Kenwood
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