Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-13 Thread David Wilcox via Elecraft
I have also used an electric solder sucker like this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/362348659918

You plug the end with the bulb and remove the nozzle.  Prop it with the opening 
for the nozzle pointing up and fill with fresh solder.  There you have a mini 
solder pot.  I bought mine for $10 or $15 back in the day and it works too. 

I still like my Knipex tweezers best but this is fast if you are doing g a 
bunch of toroids.  I would still use the Knipex tweezers to scrape the ash off 
if any is left.  Change the solder in the pot frequently.  The wire comes out 
tinned too, an added benefit.

Dave K8WPE 

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> On Jun 12, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Ummm ... solder pot not required.  All of the Elecraft kits I've built, 
> including my K2, used heat-strippable wire for the toroids.  Small blob of 
> solder on the iron, stick end of wire into it, wait a few seconds, when 
> insulation bubbles and smokes, insert wire into blob slowly as far as you 
> need to.  End of wire is not only stripped, it's now tinned too.
> 
> I used a separate larger iron I had that happened to have a flat-ish end 
> which held a good solder blob but occasionally did it with my Weller Solder 
> Station I was using for the actual soldering.  I wiped it off every now and 
> then when the insulation and rosin had accumulated.  I did not find it 
> frustrating at all.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 6/12/2020 2:01 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft wrote:
>> I have suffered through the painful process of removing the enamel on the 
>> wire on just about all of the Elecraft kits..K2, K1, KX1, tuner’s etc.. I 
>> think I have made them all...just reading the comments here I was wondering 
>> why I never bought a solder pot as recommended...I checked out eBay and 
>> found several at around $30 USD,,why didn’t I do that 10 -15 elecraftyears 
>> ago and save all that frustration??  Chinese made, some 120 volt..perhaps 
>> will work for several kits...If I had it to do again..
>> 
>> 73, Bill-AK5X
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Fred Jensen
Ummm ... solder pot not required.  All of the Elecraft kits I've built, 
including my K2, used heat-strippable wire for the toroids.  Small blob 
of solder on the iron, stick end of wire into it, wait a few seconds, 
when insulation bubbles and smokes, insert wire into blob slowly as far 
as you need to.  End of wire is not only stripped, it's now tinned too.


I used a separate larger iron I had that happened to have a flat-ish end 
which held a good solder blob but occasionally did it with my Weller 
Solder Station I was using for the actual soldering.  I wiped it off 
every now and then when the insulation and rosin had accumulated.  I did 
not find it frustrating at all.


73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/12/2020 2:01 PM, William Hammond via Elecraft wrote:

I have suffered through the painful process of removing the enamel on the wire 
on just about all of the Elecraft kits..K2, K1, KX1, tuner’s etc.. I think I 
have made them all...just reading the comments here I was wondering why I never 
bought a solder pot as recommended...I checked out eBay and found several at 
around $30 USD,,why didn’t I do that 10 -15 elecraftyears ago and save all that 
frustration??  Chinese made, some 120 volt..perhaps will work for several 
kits...If I had it to do again..

73, Bill-AK5X



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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread William
Stripper machines actually sand/ grind off the insulation.  Less chance of 
nicks.
Burning it off is for the low temp insulation (think is called soldex) and 
works for commercial applications as the insulation acts like a flux.
Most insulation (enamel, Formvar or polyamides) are high temp, 150-200C rating 
so much higher temps needed to burn it away.  200C wire can be almost white hot 
and still survive. 
 Either careful scrap, don’t nick or use fine sand paper.  Tin the bare copper 
after stripped.  
Bill,  K1BZM

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> On Jun 12, 2020, at 4:58 PM, hawley, charles j jr  
> wrote:
> 
> I use a Knipex wire stripping tweezers
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Knipex-1511120-Coated-Wire-Stripping-Tweezers/dp/B003RWS8XE
> 
> I ordered the 0.5 blade which seems to be best for our small wire.
> Use a light pressure and this thing works great.
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> 
> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, "qr...@roadrunner.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> The old tried and true method is to use an X-acto knife to scrape the
> insulation off with. Simple, not very elegant but it always works.
> 
> 72
> 
> Howard Kraus, K2UD
> 
>   -From: "Robert G Strickland
> via Elecraft"
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday June 12 2020 10:03:58AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires
> 
> Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel
> insulation from wires for winding toroids.
> 
> The instruction say:
> -dip in a solder pot which I don't have
> -use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which
> has
> never worked for me.
> 
> Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned
> off
> any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just
> doesn't
> happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but
> whichever,
> the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to
> scrape
> off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict
> when
> enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.
> 
> ..robert
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread William Hammond via Elecraft
I have suffered through the painful process of removing the enamel on the wire 
on just about all of the Elecraft kits..K2, K1, KX1, tuner’s etc.. I think I 
have made them all...just reading the comments here I was wondering why I never 
bought a solder pot as recommended...I checked out eBay and found several at 
around $30 USD,,why didn’t I do that 10 -15 elecraftyears ago and save all that 
frustration??  Chinese made, some 120 volt..perhaps will work for several 
kits...If I had it to do again..

73, Bill-AK5X

> On Jun 12, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Jim Brown  wrote:
> 
> On 6/12/2020 7:02 AM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>> Any insightful hints?
> 
> I've had to strip a lot of enameled wire in the course of my common mode 
> choke projects. Like you, I don't have the heat resources, and I don't know 
> if the wire I'm stripping has the characteristic of the enamel melting. I've 
> alternated between a file, sandpaper, and a knife blade.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I use a Knipex wire stripping tweezers

https://www.amazon.com/Knipex-1511120-Coated-Wire-Stripping-Tweezers/dp/B003RWS8XE

I ordered the 0.5 blade which seems to be best for our small wire.
Use a light pressure and this thing works great.

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack

On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:25 AM, "qr...@roadrunner.com"  
wrote:

The old tried and true method is to use an X-acto knife to scrape the
insulation off with. Simple, not very elegant but it always works.

72

Howard Kraus, K2UD

   -From: "Robert G Strickland
via Elecraft"
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Cc:
Sent: Friday June 12 2020 10:03:58AM
Subject: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel
insulation from wires for winding toroids.

The instruction say:
-dip in a solder pot which I don't have
-use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which
has
never worked for me.

Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned
off
any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just
doesn't
happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but
whichever,
the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to
scrape
off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict
when
enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.

..robert

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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Jim Brown

On 6/12/2020 7:02 AM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:

Any insightful hints?


I've had to strip a lot of enameled wire in the course of my common mode 
choke projects. Like you, I don't have the heat resources, and I don't 
know if the wire I'm stripping has the characteristic of the enamel 
melting. I've alternated between a file, sandpaper, and a knife blade.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread George Winship, NC5G





I have used the solder blob method with success. However, when I was
building my K2 about 19 years ago, I used an old bullet shell casing for a
solder pot. Secured it with vice grip pliers to hold it verticle, laid the
soldering iron to side of the casing to melt the solder inside, then dipped
the wire into the casing. It worked well.

73, George NC5G



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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Kevin McQuiggin
A better way is to use an enamelled wire stripping tool!  They are cheap and 
work much better than the other methods, which honestly were poorly effective 
for me for years.  For my last project I bought the tool, it was a joy to use.  

73,

Kevin VE7ZD 

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> On Jun 12, 2020, at 11:47, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the many replies. I should have mentioned that the wire to be 
> stripped comes from Elecraft in the K2 antenna tuner kit. Elecraft recommends 
> the solder pot or the solder iron; they discourage using a lighter/flame.
> ...robert
> 
>> On 6/12/2020 02:02 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
>> Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel
>> insulation from wires for winding toroids.
>> 
>> The instruction say:
>> -dip in a solder pot which I don't have
>> -use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has
>> never worked for me.
>> 
>> Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off
>> any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't
>> happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever,
>> the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape
>> off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when
>> enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.
>> 
>> ..robert
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Robert G Strickland via Elecraft
Thanks for the many replies. I should have mentioned that the wire to be 
stripped comes from Elecraft in the K2 antenna tuner kit. Elecraft 
recommends the solder pot or the solder iron; they discourage using a 
lighter/flame.

...robert

On 6/12/2020 02:02 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:

Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel
insulation from wires for winding toroids.

The instruction say:
-dip in a solder pot which I don't have
-use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has
never worked for me.

Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off
any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't
happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever,
the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape
off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when
enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.

..robert



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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Charlie T
It depends on whether your wire has "enamel" or "Ny-Clad" insulation.
The darker enamel can be removed with a "paint-remover" like stuff that was
sold in in little square bottles by CG and others.
A quick search failed to locate any here, but I've got some somewhere (??)

The lighter color stuff is probably Ny-Clad and will have to be sanded, or
scrapped off as the enamel remover won't cut it.

I find that some 400 grit paper with take off most insulation without
damaging the wire as can happen by scrapping.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel
insulation from wires for winding toroids.

The instruction say:
-dip in a solder pot which I don't have
-use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has
never worked for me.

Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off any
insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't happen.
Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever, the enamel
insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape off the
insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when enough is
enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.

...robert

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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Don Wilhelm
Yes, that always works, BUT if you nick the wire, it will break, 
especially on smaller gauge wire.  For #20 and larger it is likely OK.


73,
Don W3FPR

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The old tried and true method is to use an X-acto knife to scrape the
insulation off with. Simple, not very elegant but it always works.


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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread QRP5W
The old tried and true method is to use an X-acto knife to scrape the
insulation off with. Simple, not very elegant but it always works.

72

Howard Kraus, K2UD

-From: "Robert G Strickland
via Elecraft" 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Cc: 
Sent: Friday June 12 2020 10:03:58AM
Subject: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel 
 insulation from wires for winding toroids.

 The instruction say:
 -dip in a solder pot which I don't have
 -use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which
has 
 never worked for me.

 Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned
off 
 any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just
doesn't 
 happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but
whichever, 
 the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to
scrape 
 off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict
when 
 enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.

 ..robert

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 rc...@verizon.net.usa
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Don Wilhelm

Robert,

Those instructions are for heat-strippable wire.  If you have enamel or 
formvar covered wire, that must be mechanically stripped.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/12/2020 10:02 AM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel 
insulation from wires for winding toroids.


The instruction say:
-dip in a solder pot which I don't have
-use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has 
never worked for me.


Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off 
any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't 
happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever, 
the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape 
off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when 
enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.


...robert


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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Dave Fugleberg
I've used four methods:
- melt with a soldering iron
- burn off with a small butane torch
- scrape off with some very fine grit sandpaper
- scrape off with a single edge razor blade

All work, but I typically use the sandpaper or the razor blade.
With sandpaper, I just double over the sandpaper over the end of the wire,
squeeze, and pull the wire out. Sometimes takes 2-3 times to get it clean.

With the razor method,  I hold the wire down on the workbench and carefully
scrape off the insulation, scraping toward the end of the wire. I find this
gives me the best control of exactly how much insulation I remove. I just
reposition the wire a couple times to get it all off. takes seconds, and is
not hard on the wire (provided you have a light touch).

Have wound many toroids successfully with all methods.

On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 9:03 AM Robert G Strickland via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel
> insulation from wires for winding toroids.
>
> The instruction say:
> -dip in a solder pot which I don't have
> -use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has
> never worked for me.
>
> Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off
> any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't
> happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever,
> the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape
> off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when
> enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.
>
> ...robert
>
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Re: [Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Note that there is enameled wire that can't be stripped this way. The 
enamel is heat-resistant. Of course if you are using the wire that comes 
with Elecraft kits, you shouldn't have this problem.


What I do is put a blob of solder on the tip of the iron. Then, I hole 
the END of the wire, which of course has no enamel on it, against the 
tip. That transmits heat into the copper, starting the process. Then I 
pass the wire through the blob slowly and watch the enamel boil off.


Afterwards I scrape lightly with a knife to remove flux and burned enamel.

This works fine with the iron set to 750 degrees f. If you aren't 
succeeding with an iron even hotter, I would suspect that you have the 
wrong kind of enameled wire.


Incidentally, I use a second iron with an old tip for this. Having the 
blob of solder with flux boiling on it for a long time tends to erode 
the tip.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 12/06/2020 17:02, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel 
insulation from wires for winding toroids.


The instruction say:
-dip in a solder pot which I don't have
-use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has 
never worked for me.


Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off 
any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't 
happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever, 
the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape 
off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when 
enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.


...robert


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[Elecraft] stripping insulation from enamel wires

2020-06-12 Thread Robert G Strickland via Elecraft
Here's an old problem that I've never solved: how to strip the enamel 
insulation from wires for winding toroids.


The instruction say:
-dip in a solder pot which I don't have
-use a soldering iron to, presumably, burn the insulation off which has 
never worked for me.


Leaving soldering pots aside, the hot iron approach has never burned off 
any insulation even with tip temp's hovering around 1000F. Just doesn't 
happen. Maybe it's the soldering iron, maybe my method, but whichever, 
the enamel insulation just sits there. I end up using a file to scrape 
off the insulation which is tough on the wires and hard to predict when 
enough is enough. Any insightful hints? Thanks much.


...robert

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Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rc...@verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA
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