RE: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-28 Thread N2TK, Tony
I agree with this. When running you don't fiddle with too much.

What I would really, really, really like is true QSK for my K2. If I had
that I would immediately buy another K2, tie them together with a mute line
and RF signal line internally. Then I would use a software program to
control both so I could treat the two K2' s as slaved rigs so I could listen
in stereo - one receiver in one ear and the other receiver in the other ear.
This way I could operate true split and listen on both frequencies at the
same time.
With this setup I could take one K2 along for trips without dismantling the
station. When I'm hunting DX I could have the use of both K2's when the DX
station is operating split.

As I have said previously, the Kenwood TS950SDX has wonderful QSK. It has
spoiled me. You can listen between the dits and dahs. I want my main rig at
home to be able to do that.
On Dxpeditions I don't need QSK much as I mostly run stations. Using
semi-break-in while running is easier on the ears.

Happy New Year
N2TK, Tony



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hank Kohl K8DD
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 7:06 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I think that a lot of K2 owners, particularly contesters and DXers, get
>around the small size of the K2 by using computer control. That way they
have a
>small rig for portable use and a big computer display for home use. The big
>remote knob (CRS* is causing me to block on its real name) gives a nice
ergonomic
>interface for tuning and RIT.
>
>
That's not entirely true  at least in my case.  In a contest about
the only things I use are the main
tuning knob and the AF gain.   At least when we're running.  Maybe the
RIT for the stations that don't
zero beat.
When I'm searching, it's the main tuning knob and maybe the AF gain.
The computer control keys the radio, keeps track of the frequency/band.
I try not to use any more of the buttons on the front panel than I have
to when I'm contesting.

Pretty much the same for DXing  Set the filters the way I want them
and DSP if I need it.  Only thing
that drives me crazy is the A=B and SPLIT on the same button!

I would like to see a K2Big - maybe even take my K2/100, strip the case
and front panel and PCB's and
put it in an upgrade box!

73HankK8DD



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Re: FW: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-27 Thread Michael Bowles

Hi, All,
   Hope you had a Merry Christmas.
   Just my 2 cents on touch screens- I work with AMX touch screens for 
classroom multimedia control. (I don't work for AMX, rather a state 
community college) The main advantage of these touch screens is that you 
can put any kind of buttons and labels you want on the screen, depending on 
what you are doing at the time. This allows one small touch screen to do 
the work of many keyboards.

   This still doesn't excuse their use at checkouts, however!
73,
Mike, WH6AH
At 11:31 AM 12/27/2004 -0500, Buddy Brannan wrote:

On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:15:05AM -0500, Dan Barker wrote:
> Ever heard of a "touch screen"?

Yes! They're evil incarnate! Hate them, hate them, hate them! (Especially 
the ones at cash register checkouts for using your debbit card...what's 
the matter with real buttons?)


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RE: FW: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-27 Thread John A. Ross [RSDTV]
As the design of the K2 is pretty modular I do not see any reason why it
would not be possible to mount a K2 inside a larger box and add a direct
entry keypad and memory/mode buttons as well as a bigger display.

Unfortunately to make a really nice job Eric/Wayne would need to release the
code for the micros, no point to re-invent the wheel, something they may not
want to do. 
They might also need to support it while it gets ported and would probably
look to validate any mods like that before it was released so they know the
limitations and make sure any "oops" bugs do not reflect bad on the product
as a whole. After all, the final setup and performance rely on the micros
almost exclusively.

The control section ported to a larger micro with a  bit more beef than that
currently used, nice 1/4 VGA display and would be real sweet. Not a
particularly cheap add on I would say though. Even adding the touch screen
at that point is no big deal, a simple one would just need another A/D
It would also mean that the option to build it as a portable, and use as a
base station would be a matter of choosing the controller/display board to
plug in. It may be possible to just add a connector to the existing
controller/display for such an add-on, as "slave" connectors to the board so
it can use the same front panel board just leave out the micros but that may
be jumping a bit too far ahead as there is quite a bit of I/O to hook up
although a lot of it does goes go from the controller to display board via
the RF board.

Could be done also using the serial API already available and instead of
using a computer for control, just add an additional stand alone controller
inside the "big box".

John

(GM1BSG)


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[EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: FW: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]]

2004-12-27 Thread Buddy Brannan
- Forwarded message from "John A. Ross [RSDTV]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

To: 'Buddy Brannan' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

As the design of the K2 is pretty modular I do not see any reason why it
would not be possible to mount a K2 inside a larger box and add a direct
entry keypad and memory/mode buttons as well as a bigger display.

Unfortunately to make a really nice job Eric/Wayne would need to release the
code for the micros, no point to re-invent the wheel, something they may not
want to do. 
They might also need to support it while it gets ported and would probably
look to validate any mods like that before it was released so they know the
limitations and make sure any "oops" bugs do not reflect bad on the product
as a whole. After all, the final setup and performance rely on the micros
almost exclusively.

The control section ported to a larger micro with a  bit more beef than that
currently used, nice 1/4 VGA display and would be real sweet. Not a
particularly cheap add on I would say though. Even adding the touch screen
at that point is no big deal, a simple one would just need another A/D
It would also mean that the option to build it as a portable, and use as a
base station would be a matter of choosing the controller/display board to
plug in. It may be possible to just add a connector to the existing
controller/display for such an add-on, as "slave" connectors to the board so
it can use the same front panel board just leave out the micros but that may
be jumping a bit too far ahead as there is quite a bit of I/O to hook up
although a lot of it does goes go from the controller to display board via
the RF board.

Could be done also using the serial API already available and instead of
using a computer for control, just add an additional stand alone controller
inside the "big box".

John

(GM1BSG)



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RE: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-27 Thread jeff_list
The current generation of control software and logging software do not work
together well. I use N3FJP for logging. Using a control program would make
it impossible to gather data into N3FJP's program. A hardware remote would
not have this problem. 

Jeff 
AD9T

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of W3FPR - Don Wilhelm
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 0:11 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

All,

If a larger remote front panel is the proper answer,  then why not simply 
use one of the K2 enabled software control programs which can add function 
as well as size and flexibility?  The N4PY software and Ham Radio Deluxe are

two examples.  The 'panel' can be as large as your computer screen. 
Apologies to those who really want to press 'real' buttons (and that 
includes me - I am quite hardware oriented. but I don't think that a 'BIG' 
K2 panel is feasible anytime soon).

73,
Don W3FPR

- Original Message - 

>I wonder how much of the desire for a bigger K2 could be satisfied with a 
>remote front panel?  I have often thought of building a remote head for the

>KIO2 using the $40 Olimex PIC front panel board (now from sparkfun.com) for

>use with a backpack.
>
> The same idea could be used for a bigger front panel, which could also 
> provide two VFO knobs (though not stereo dual reception).  I think only 
> the AF gain and IF gain are impaired, and the AF gain is easily worked 
> around by using an audion amplifier in the remote head.
>


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Re: FW: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-27 Thread Buddy Brannan
On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 08:15:05AM -0500, Dan Barker wrote:
> Ever heard of a "touch screen"?

Yes! They're evil incarnate! Hate them, hate them, hate them! (Especially the 
ones at cash register checkouts for using your debbit card...what's the matter 
with real buttons?)
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FW: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-27 Thread Dan Barker
Ever heard of a "touch screen"?

Dan / WG4S / K2 #2456


The 'panel' can be as large as your computer screen. 
Apologies to those who really want to press 'real' buttons (and that 
includes me - I am quite hardware oriented.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-27 Thread Donald Nesbitt
OK - I can't stand it any more !  Here's my 2 cents.  I want a  K3!  I want
it to be the same size as my Collins KWM-2 - in fact, I'd like it to look
and "feel" like my M2 or S-Line gear with a great cabinet, really nice
paint,  excellent rotary knob placement and size with just a couple of
additions to the front panel simplicity of the KWM-2 - let's see, to the M2,
add DSP for notch, etc; IF level noise blanking, band stacking registers
like the Pro II - and - 200 watts output like the 1000MP Mark V - and, oh
yes, a built in power supply.  Hummm - I wonder if I can find a demolished
KWM-2, tear the guts out of it, drop my K2/100/KAT100  in along with a power
supply, hook up the knobs and . . . .  73 es gud dx  --don n4hh
K2/100/KAT100, etc, etc



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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Tom Arntzen

Or!
Why not keep the K2 as is and get a K2RX only that can be mounted along with 
the K2 as a second RX making 2band rx possible.
It also have to be muted by K2 tx and if possible the K2RX frequency can be 
transfered to the K2 for instant tx.
It also must work as a stand alone unit that would be nice for SWL 
operators.
And since power isn't a problem in such enviroment the unit would have 
frontmounted speaker with a 3 watt amplifier.

Just a thaught!

Tom LA1PHA

- Original Message - 
From: "Leigh L Klotz, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]


I wonder how much of the desire for a bigger K2 could be satisfied with a 
remote front panel?  I have often thought of building a remote head for the 
KIO2 using the $40 Olimex PIC front panel board (now from sparkfun.com) for 
use with a backpack.


The same idea could be used for a bigger front panel, which could also 
provide two VFO knobs (though not stereo dual reception).  I think only 
the AF gain and IF gain are impaired, and the AF gain is easily worked 
around by using an audion amplifier in the remote head.


73,
Leigh.
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RE: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Don, W3FPR wrote:
I wonder how much of the desire for a bigger K2 could be satisfied with 
>a
>remote front panel?...

---

Might work for me Don if it was a box with knobs and buttons. After 60 or 80
hours wailing at a keyboard working each week, I yearn for some knobs to
twiddle while roaming the aether. The computer is banished from the shack
when I'm operating. That's why I do so little digital stuff too...

I'm presently doing some work on a 1950's E.F. Johnson Viking Ranger for a
buddy. It's interesting that it was exactly 50 years ago this Christmas that
I got my own E.F. Johnson Viking Ranger from Santa so it's a bit of "déjà vu
all over again" to be messing about with the innards of one exactly half a
century later.

I've often grumbled over the tiny little controls on the K2 and it's overall
diminutive size. Then the postal worker staggered into the office a few days
ago with the Ranger in a huge box. It weighs 50 lbs. I'll never gripe about
the weight of a 35 amp power supply again! 

Now, some of you may not know what this rig looks like, so here's a link to
some photos of Ranger beautifully-restored by another Ham:
http://tinyurl.com/3o6n9

The controls are nice sizes for my hands, the front panel spaces open and
easy, but why wouldn't they be in a rig that could swallow half a dozen
K2/100's at least! And it's just a transmitter, to be sure. No receive. And
it puts out 60 watts - just a bit over half of a K2/100 on CW and about 50
watts AM phone (equal to about 15 watts PEP SSB).

Oh, it's great fun working on it. I love the look and smell of glowing tubes
(remembering to keep one hand in my pocket - there's 800 volts loose all
over the place!)  but it's almost bigger than my whole operating desk. And
just picking it up to turn it over now and again eliminates any need to
visit the gym this week. 

Shoot, I'm lucky I have a sturdy wood-working bench to open it up on - my
electronics table was neither big enough or strong enough to handle it!
Well, at least it doesn't require ESD protection. 

My point is that as much as I love this old gear and have warm, affectionate
memories of many happy hours dipping finals, setting drive levels, then
adjusting the antenna loading before I could answer a CQ up the band, it's a
reminder of just how convenient, easy to build and simple to use the new
stuff like my Elecraft gear is.

Guess I won't complain about the little K2 front panel any longer... Yeah,
it could be a little bigger ... (Shaddup Ron!) Okay... 

Ron AC7AC



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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Jack Brindle

Guys,

Wouldn't it be much cheaper just to get a magnifying glass?

:-) :-) :-)

Happy New Year!

On Dec 26, 2004, at 10:46 PM, Peter wrote:

I would like to see a K2Big - maybe even take my K2/100, strip the  
case

and front panel and PCB's and
put it in an upgrade box!



- Jack Brindle, W6FB
 
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Peter


Hank Kohl K8DD wrote:

>
> I would like to see a K2Big - maybe even take my K2/100, strip the case
> and front panel and PCB's and
> put it in an upgrade box!
>
> 73HankK8DD
>
> ___

Why not a big front plate where you can plug in 2 times the RF board.
Some hardware to mount the PA, a new software release
And beat those Yaesu Ten tec with a real SO2R setup?

Peter


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.

Don,
That is almost exactly my point!  I think the K2 provides all the hooks 
for a larger front panel based on a standard computer of some sort.


For backpack operation, I want something like the traditional mobile 
detachable head, like Ken WB6MLC does with his Yaesu rig.   I don't want 
to take a laptop with me, so the PC solution is out for that.  This 
thread was started by people who claim they want bigger, more 
comfortable knobs, so I think some may still want an auxillary front 
panel.


So, the RS232 interface provides most of what we need...all we need are 
smaller computers


As for the N4APY and other software, it's quite impressive.  Personally 
though, since I don't have Windows at home, I use Marote for Linux, and 
while it is not at the same level as Ham Radio Deluxe, the author is 
rapidly making improvements.  I would definitely add Marote to the list 
of Linux ham software mentioned in thios month's QST (gMFSK, Xlog, and 
Hamlib).  It would be nice if Marote used Hamlib, and maybe it will have 
such an option someday, but right now it works only with the K2 (all 
software should have such problems).


Leigh.
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 9:11 pm, W3FPR - Don Wilhelm wrote:
If a larger remote front panel is the proper answer,  then why not 
simply use one of the K2 enabled software control programs which can 
add function as well as size and flexibility?

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm

All,

If a larger remote front panel is the proper answer,  then why not simply 
use one of the K2 enabled software control programs which can add function 
as well as size and flexibility?  The N4PY software and Ham Radio Deluxe are 
two examples.  The 'panel' can be as large as your computer screen. 
Apologies to those who really want to press 'real' buttons (and that 
includes me - I am quite hardware oriented. but I don't think that a 'BIG' 
K2 panel is feasible anytime soon).


73,
Don W3FPR

- Original Message - 

I wonder how much of the desire for a bigger K2 could be satisfied with a 
remote front panel?  I have often thought of building a remote head for the 
KIO2 using the $40 Olimex PIC front panel board (now from sparkfun.com) for 
use with a backpack.


The same idea could be used for a bigger front panel, which could also 
provide two VFO knobs (though not stereo dual reception).  I think only 
the AF gain and IF gain are impaired, and the AF gain is easily worked 
around by using an audion amplifier in the remote head.






Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
I wonder how much of the desire for a bigger K2 could be satisfied with 
a remote front panel?  I have often thought of building a remote head 
for the KIO2 using the $40 Olimex PIC front panel board (now from 
sparkfun.com) for use with a backpack.


The same idea could be used for a bigger front panel, which could also 
provide two VFO knobs (though not stereo dual reception).  I think only 
the AF gain and IF gain are impaired, and the AF gain is easily worked 
around by using an audion amplifier in the remote head.


73,
Leigh.
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RE: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread John [ N5BSD ]
 
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Since I sent the last reply to Mr. Fujinaka, we will try again.

This is the one thing I would like to see, a slightly larger front
panel with possibly a Multi-line LCD display, and dedicated buttons
for a few more of the major functions.

Or maybe a 2nd receiver option for a larger form factor radio, with
the secondary Frequency showing on a multi line display in the larger
form factor face.

Just my 2 cents  


73
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How about just a big front panel replacement? More buttons!


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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka

How about just a big front panel replacement? More buttons!

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Hank Kohl K8DD wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think that a lot of K2 owners, particularly contesters and DXers, get 
around the small size of the K2 by using computer control. That way they 
have a small rig for portable use and a big computer display for home use. 
The big remote knob (CRS* is causing me to block on its real name) gives a 
nice ergonomic interface for tuning and RIT.


That's not entirely true  at least in my case.  In a contest about the 
only things I use are the main
tuning knob and the AF gain.   At least when we're running.  Maybe the RIT 
for the stations that don't

zero beat.
When I'm searching, it's the main tuning knob and maybe the AF gain.
The computer control keys the radio, keeps track of the frequency/band.
I try not to use any more of the buttons on the front panel than I have to 
when I'm contesting.


Pretty much the same for DXing  Set the filters the way I want them and 
DSP if I need it.  Only thing

that drives me crazy is the A=B and SPLIT on the same button!

I would like to see a K2Big - maybe even take my K2/100, strip the case and 
front panel and PCB's and

put it in an upgrade box!


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Hisashi T Fujinaka - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] Big K2 (or K2B - B for Big)]

2004-12-26 Thread Hank Kohl K8DD

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think that a lot of K2 owners, particularly contesters and DXers, get 
around the small size of the K2 by using computer control. That way they have a 
small rig for portable use and a big computer display for home use. The big 
remote knob (CRS* is causing me to block on its real name) gives a nice ergonomic 
interface for tuning and RIT.
 

That's not entirely true  at least in my case.  In a contest about 
the only things I use are the main
tuning knob and the AF gain.   At least when we're running.  Maybe the 
RIT for the stations that don't

zero beat.
When I'm searching, it's the main tuning knob and maybe the AF gain.
The computer control keys the radio, keeps track of the frequency/band.
I try not to use any more of the buttons on the front panel than I have 
to when I'm contesting.


Pretty much the same for DXing  Set the filters the way I want them 
and DSP if I need it.  Only thing

that drives me crazy is the A=B and SPLIT on the same button!

I would like to see a K2Big - maybe even take my K2/100, strip the case 
and front panel and PCB's and

put it in an upgrade box!

73HankK8DD



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