Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
DW Holtman wrote: The high range of my hearing is greatly attenuated from too many years working on Flight decks and around jet engines. So I have no need for a pair of high performance $250.00 headphones. But, I'm looking for a new set. Does anyone have any recommendations for a full size pair in the $50.00 range? Best, DW Holtmen WB7SSN These are over your $50 budget but are an excellent value for $90 shipped on eBay: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5167 (I'll add that K8MFO is a fellow low-band addict and excellent CW op. I highly respect Don's opinion. I bought my EX-29 before seeing his comments but agree completely with them). I agree with others that in-ear phones are the absolute best for maximum isolation, but the Direct Sound EX-29 is nearly as good (29 dB isolation versus mid-30's for the Etymotic ER-6 which I also have). The Etymotic doesn't irritate my ears like some people but the EX-29 is definitely more convenient to use. Either of these will run circles around Bose or any other active noise-canceling headsets. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OT%3A-Bose-QC-Mic-Modification-tp16205617p16251881.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
250 is pretty cheap. I paid more than that when you add up what I paid for the ER4P's and the molds separately. Yet still in pretty much all of the monitors I've listened to the Etymotics are about as antiseptic as I've found. I'm a big fan of a very clean very flat response and the ety's are quite amazing at producing that. Many feel that if there isn't a 3 to 6 (or sometimes more) hump in the bottom end they aren't bassy enough but to each his own. Anyway one other comment is that if you go the route of custom ear molds you won't get as much isolation as you would with the stock ety ear pieces. I've seen this in the numbers but I've also experienced it. I'm not so sure that the foam molds produce the isolation that they claim but I do attest to the fact that the 3 flange silicon tips do a better job than custom molds. Etymotic claims 35dB of isolation with the silicon tips and 42dB of isolation from outside noise with the foam tips. Wish anyone luck pulling that off with active noise cancellation! On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 21:14 -0700, AE4CW wrote: I second Brett's comments re the use of custom fitted in-ear monitors (IEMs) for great isolation and sonic clarity. Properly fitted, they are very comfortable, provide about 25 dB of external isolation and you hear exactly what your receiver is producing. I do live sound monitor engineering on a weekly basis and have used a variety of low, mid and high-end IEMs ($60-$500+) over the years. The best price/performance I've found so far is the Live Wires IEMs. They are not cheap ($249) but for the money (IMHO) there is nothing better. You can check them out here: http://www.livewiresforyou.com/index.php Live Wires Site ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
The amount of isolation has a lot to do with individual ear canal shape. I have very rectangular canals, and none of the Shure or Sennheiser universal fit tips (foam, soft cones, silicone cones, or three-flange) come close in my case to the isolation of the well fitted custom molds provided by Live Wires. I also have some Westone custom tips that fit on the Shure series of IEM's; they are marginally better, but not nearly as good as the full-ear fit of the Live Wires custom molds. On the other hand, many professional musicians are pleased with the universal fit tips, I believe because their ear canals accommodate these tips better than mine do. BTW, I have no personal interest in Live Wires IEM's at all; they just happen to have provided a solution that works extremely well for me for both radio and live sound engineering. And as a side note, more than 50% of the 40 or so professional musicians I work with on a regular basis now use Live Wires or one of the other full-ear-fit custom molded IEM's such as Sensaphonics, Ultimate Ears or Westone. This is in no way a slam on Etymotic as I continue to hear and see good things written about them, though don't think they offer custom molds. - Chuck, AE4CW -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OT%3A-Bose-QC-Mic-Modification-tp16205617p16236741.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
250 is pretty cheap. I paid more than that when you add up what I paid for the ER4P's and the molds separately. Yet still in pretty much all of the monitors I've listened to the Etymotics are about as antiseptic as I've found. The performance ratings of the ER6P is only slightly lower than the ER4P, isolation is similar and they can be found for $80 at many places on the web. If you want maximum sound isolation, choose the ER6i (it has the three flange tips vs. 2 flange tips with the ER4P and ER6P). The only problem with the ER4/ER6 is there is no place for the (headset) mic G. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Howard Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 2:38 AM To: AE4CW Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification 250 is pretty cheap. I paid more than that when you add up what I paid for the ER4P's and the molds separately. Yet still in pretty much all of the monitors I've listened to the Etymotics are about as antiseptic as I've found. I'm a big fan of a very clean very flat response and the ety's are quite amazing at producing that. Many feel that if there isn't a 3 to 6 (or sometimes more) hump in the bottom end they aren't bassy enough but to each his own. Anyway one other comment is that if you go the route of custom ear molds you won't get as much isolation as you would with the stock ety ear pieces. I've seen this in the numbers but I've also experienced it. I'm not so sure that the foam molds produce the isolation that they claim but I do attest to the fact that the 3 flange silicon tips do a better job than custom molds. Etymotic claims 35dB of isolation with the silicon tips and 42dB of isolation from outside noise with the foam tips. Wish anyone luck pulling that off with active noise cancellation! On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 21:14 -0700, AE4CW wrote: I second Brett's comments re the use of custom fitted in-ear monitors (IEMs) for great isolation and sonic clarity. Properly fitted, they are very comfortable, provide about 25 dB of external isolation and you hear exactly what your receiver is producing. I do live sound monitor engineering on a weekly basis and have used a variety of low, mid and high-end IEMs ($60-$500+) over the years. The best price/performance I've found so far is the Live Wires IEMs. They are not cheap ($249) but for the money (IMHO) there is nothing better. You can check them out here: http://www.livewiresforyou.com/index.php Live Wires Site ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
I'm no where near as pleased with the ER6's as I am the 4's. The 6's are a lot bigger and a bit cumbersome and no one that I know of will make a full ear mold of them. As far as the mic I use a Heil GM4 and a Heil Boom. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 12:07 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: 250 is pretty cheap. I paid more than that when you add up what I paid for the ER4P's and the molds separately. Yet still in pretty much all of the monitors I've listened to the Etymotics are about as antiseptic as I've found. The performance ratings of the ER6P is only slightly lower than the ER4P, isolation is similar and they can be found for $80 at many places on the web. If you want maximum sound isolation, choose the ER6i (it has the three flange tips vs. 2 flange tips with the ER4P and ER6P). The only problem with the ER4/ER6 is there is no place for the (headset) mic G. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
Hello, The high range of my hearing is greatly attenuated from too many years working on Flight decks and around jet engines. So I have no need for a pair of high performance $250.00 headphones. But, I'm looking for a new set. Does anyone have any recommendations for a full size pair in the $50.00 range? Best, DW Holtmen WB7SSN - Original Message - From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; 'AE4CW' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification I'm no where near as pleased with the ER6's as I am the 4's. The 6's are a lot bigger and a bit cumbersome and no one that I know of will make a full ear mold of them. As far as the mic I use a Heil GM4 and a Heil Boom. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 12:07 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: 250 is pretty cheap. I paid more than that when you add up what I paid for the ER4P's and the molds separately. Yet still in pretty much all of the monitors I've listened to the Etymotics are about as antiseptic as I've found. The performance ratings of the ER6P is only slightly lower than the ER4P, isolation is similar and they can be found for $80 at many places on the web. If you want maximum sound isolation, choose the ER6i (it has the three flange tips vs. 2 flange tips with the ER4P and ER6P). The only problem with the ER4/ER6 is there is no place for the (headset) mic G. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
A decent pair of relatively inexpensive full size cans would be the Sennheiser HD201. You'd probably be pretty happy with these. Especially for communications use and you'll be able to get them for under your $50 budget afer shipping. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 18:47 -0600, DW Holtman wrote: Hello, The high range of my hearing is greatly attenuated from too many years working on Flight decks and around jet engines. So I have no need for a pair of high performance $250.00 headphones. But, I'm looking for a new set. Does anyone have any recommendations for a full size pair in the $50.00 range? Best, DW Holtmen WB7SSN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
Brett, Thank you for the suggestion. I googled it and came up with the following. http://www.dvhardware.net/review84_sennheiserhd201.html I just ordered me a pair on Ebay for $14.95 plus shipping. They should work great. Best, DW Holtman WB7SSN - Original Message - From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DW Holtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net; 'AE4CW' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification A decent pair of relatively inexpensive full size cans would be the Sennheiser HD201. You'd probably be pretty happy with these. Especially for communications use and you'll be able to get them for under your $50 budget afer shipping. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 18:47 -0600, DW Holtman wrote: Hello, The high range of my hearing is greatly attenuated from too many years working on Flight decks and around jet engines. So I have no need for a pair of high performance $250.00 headphones. But, I'm looking for a new set. Does anyone have any recommendations for a full size pair in the $50.00 range? Best, DW Holtmen WB7SSN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
Sony MDR-NC6. $49.95 at Radio Shack. Add'l benefit is the noise cancelling feature, which seems to work well only with low frequency noise. 73, matt, W6NIA K3 #24 On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:47:13 -0600, you wrote: Hello, The high range of my hearing is greatly attenuated from too many years working on Flight decks and around jet engines. So I have no need for a pair of high performance $250.00 headphones. But, I'm looking for a new set. Does anyone have any recommendations for a full size pair in the $50.00 range? Best, DW Holtmen WB7SSN - Original Message - From: Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; 'AE4CW' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:26 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification I'm no where near as pleased with the ER6's as I am the 4's. The 6's are a lot bigger and a bit cumbersome and no one that I know of will make a full ear mold of them. As far as the mic I use a Heil GM4 and a Heil Boom. On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 12:07 -0400, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: 250 is pretty cheap. I paid more than that when you add up what I paid for the ER4P's and the molds separately. Yet still in pretty much all of the monitors I've listened to the Etymotics are about as antiseptic as I've found. The performance ratings of the ER6P is only slightly lower than the ER4P, isolation is similar and they can be found for $80 at many places on the web. If you want maximum sound isolation, choose the ER6i (it has the three flange tips vs. 2 flange tips with the ER4P and ER6P). The only problem with the ER4/ER6 is there is no place for the (headset) mic G. 73, ... Joe, W4TV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
W0JFR wrote: Awhile back, someone mentioned that their club/group modified the Bose Quiet Comfort headphones with a microphone. Could you provide a description of this modification and a list of parts? http://www.freewebs.com/k1dg/boseheadphonemod.htm -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
I used to work in the audio industry. Was working for a higher end amplifier manufacturer. We always thought that BOSE actually stood for Bring Other Sound Equipment. It was also often said No highs no lows it must be Bose. Honestly though some of their professional line of amps were quite well made and designed but that was because they farmed those out to us 100% we designed and manufactured them for them. A great set of headphones for anyone who wants external noise isolation and wants good quality audio is the Etymotic ER-4P. I have a pair of these and have gone to an audiologist to have custom ear molds taken and had earpieces made by Westone. Westone makes hearing aids and makes for a wonderful addition to the Etymotic headphones. I can wear these headphones all day at work and not have even the slightest bit of fatigue. The ER4P's are probably the most transparent audio reproduction system I've ever heard. I've not spent large periods of time using these headphones during a contest but I can assure you all that they are completely flat and un-coloring when listening to music. I can't see how they'd be anything less than stellar when listening to the airwaves. Furthermore I can assure you that you'll never find any sort of active noise canceling that will do as good of a job at external noise reduction than the stock ear pieces that come with the ER-4P's. I have used them for a while during a field day and there is NO hearing the generators in the distance! This is crucial in gaining maximum dynamic range when it comes to the AF range. Also if you go to the Etymotic website and see the price don't be too put off by that as they can be found MUCH cheaper on the web! On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 10:36 +, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: Yuk - not pretty - but I guess it works. NOTE - that was the QC1 - thge QC2 has slightly different fittings But, what a thing to do to a £370 pair of headphones! I use mine while practicing my Morse and plan on using them when I actually start CW QSOs. The K2 Proset headset works very well and does cut out a lot of ambient noise. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bose QC Mic Modification
I second Brett's comments re the use of custom fitted in-ear monitors (IEMs) for great isolation and sonic clarity. Properly fitted, they are very comfortable, provide about 25 dB of external isolation and you hear exactly what your receiver is producing. I do live sound monitor engineering on a weekly basis and have used a variety of low, mid and high-end IEMs ($60-$500+) over the years. The best price/performance I've found so far is the Live Wires IEMs. They are not cheap ($249) but for the money (IMHO) there is nothing better. You can check them out here: http://www.livewiresforyou.com/index.php Live Wires Site - Chuck, AE4CW -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/OT%3A-Bose-QC-Mic-Modification-tp16205617p16231321.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
