Re: [Elecraft] OT: Keying contacts - Clairification

2007-07-30 Thread Rob Locher W7GH
My Bencher BY-2 paddle has gold-plated silver contacts.  The contacts  
don't wipe.  The paddle is 21 years old.  The contacts have *never* been  
cleaned, and the paddle works great.


73,
- Rob W7GH




On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:09:55 -0700, Stuart Rohre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


The contact area is a high stress point of pressure, Gold is a soft  
metal and actually can develop films that inhibit good conduction,  
unless the contact "wipes" so as to be self cleaning.




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Keying contacts - Clairification

2007-07-30 Thread Stuart Rohre
Keys almost universally would have silver contacts.  Silver is one metal 
whose oxide is conductive.


The contact area is a high stress point of pressure, Gold is a soft metal 
and actually can develop films that inhibit good conduction, unless the 
contact "wipes" so as to be self cleaning.


Bronze is not as yellow as gold, visually.  Bronze is not suited to switch 
contacts.  Brass is sometimes used as cheap switch contacts, but alloys are 
often what you see that have a yellow color.


Brass lends itself to having the silver contact welded or riveted to the 
brass base piece. The war surplus J38 keys were an example of brass 
conductors for the electrical paths to the contacts and a harder metal for 
the contact points.


-Stuart
K5KVH 



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Keying contacts - Clairification

2007-07-30 Thread Jon Robert Pellant


What if they are 'gold plated' contacts-- does this change the scenario at 
all?


On another note-- how does one tell the checmical makeup visually between 
bronze, gold, etc.?


- Original Message - 


served to help keep them clean. Modern very low voltage/low current keying
circuits don't do that and the contacts easily become intermittent as they
collect a coat of oxides and dirt. Such contacts need no such delicate care
as perhaps modern contacts might, although it'd be foolish damage them
further needlessly. (Some old keys do have silver contacts which should be
treated with care, especially if they're plated and not solid silver. Silver
oxide is a good conductor, so even if they appear black they are still good
electrical contacts. If they become intermittent it's not because they are
oxidized but because they are actually dirty with a film covering the
silver. Very gentle wiping should restore good contact.)
 



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RE: [Elecraft] OT: Keying contacts - Clairification

2007-07-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Kent  K9ZTV, made the point off-line that burnishing (rubbing to smooth or
polish) contacts on modern keys might not be a good idea. He observed that
any abrasive rubbing or polishing might damage special finishes or alloys
that the manufacturer may have used on them. 

I was speaking of my half-century old keys that have brass (or bronze)
contacts that have been repeatedly ground and burnished to remove pits and
burns caused by arcing when keying high voltage lines in old transmitters.
As John mentioned, a reasonable current through those contacts actually
served to help keep them clean. Modern very low voltage/low current keying
circuits don't do that and the contacts easily become intermittent as they
collect a coat of oxides and dirt. Such contacts need no such delicate care
as perhaps modern contacts might, although it'd be foolish damage them
further needlessly. (Some old keys do have silver contacts which should be
treated with care, especially if they're plated and not solid silver. Silver
oxide is a good conductor, so even if they appear black they are still good
electrical contacts. If they become intermittent it's not because they are
oxidized but because they are actually dirty with a film covering the
silver. Very gentle wiping should restore good contact.) 

On my old keys with their bronze contacts, burnishing is definitely in order
if nothing else works and they've survived that treatment hundreds of times
over the decades. Recently I've found that De-Oxit does the job even better
as I described.

If I bought a brand new key I'd check with the manufacturer about how they
recommend cleaning the contacts because, sooner or later, they're sure to
need it.  

Ron AC7AC

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