Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[Rick Tavan]

Actually, I've run YCCC SO2R Box and SO2R Box Utility on Win 11 ARM Preview
under Parallels Desktop on a Macbook Pro M1 Max without recompilation. They
talk politely to the hardware across a USB connection. However, they expect
two pairs of virtual COM ports to communicate with the logger (N1MM in my
case) via OTRSP. My old standbys, vspMgr and COM0COM, do not work in that
environment. However, Eltima has a Virtual Serial Port Driver in an ARM
version that works very simply and cleanly.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022 at 8:08 PM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>
> That said, there is one caveat:   Windows ARM does not currently support
> natively USB devices other than such as items as Keyboards, Mice,
> Trackballs, etc.  For example, I cannot run a SDR device on the ARM because
> the device drivers don’t exist under ARM needed for SDR:  I use ZADIG to
> add drivers for SDR and it doesn’t work running Windows 11 ARM.
>
> I suspect that USB support for ARM will grow under time, but it remains to
> be seen whether software that uses USB attached devices that require
> special device drivers will work.  In my case, this means using data
> sources available via the internet rather than using a SDR device for
> over-the-air reception of data.  For example, I can use data collected via
> SDR attached to my Dell laptop and feed that data to Apple MBP M1 laptop
> running Windows 11 ARM via LAN to display the data.
>
> --

Rick Tavan
Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[Barry Baines via Elecraft]

David:

> On Sep 24, 2022, at 7:51 PM, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> About a month ago, I upgraded from an old (2015?) Intel i5-based MBP to the 
> new M2 MBP, and was able to migrate everything over to it seamlessly by 
> having the M2 import all of my bits from the TimeMachine backup. I've been 
> using RUMlogNG for years, and it works nicely with both WSJT-X and JTDX 
> *simultaneously*, with WSJT-X driving the upgraded K3 (near-K3s) operating 
> with the KXV3B on 630m and JTDX operating the K4D on the HF bands. I do not 
> have RUMlogNG do any rig control for me, however.
> I have 24MB of memory in this MBP, but I was operating with 16MB on the old 
> MBP just fine. I had a 250GB SSD on the old MBP, but splurged for 1TB on the 
> M2. However, I think you should be able to get by with 16/250 on an Apple 
> Silicon based machine unless you're planning to watch a movie or edit video 
> while you're working the bands :-) One trick that I pull is to have a 
> separate partition on a large USB drive (which is primarily used for 
> TimeMachine) to keep less-needed files, as well as the log files generated by 
> WSJT-X and JTDX. I simply created a symbolic link in the files for those two 
> apps to point to the right places on the USB drive.
> Only fly in the ointment I've encountered is that I run Parallels and it 
> upgraded to the latest version and then installed Windows 11 ARM for me. I 
> haven't played with it yet, so I don't know how much it will bog down the 
> system. *BUT*, be forewarned that Ham Radio DeLuxe is Intel-only and flatly 
> told me in their support forum that they do NOT intend to make an ARM64 
> version for Windows 11. I only use HRD as a backup log program to review my 
> awards standing (e.g., DXCC, WPX, etc.), and now do so on my Intel-based 
> iMac, but I plan to retire it eventually. I've never used it for rig control, 
> etc.

Please note that the current Windows-11 ARM OS that can be installed by 
Parallels 18 on a M1/M2 Mac can indeed run INTEL-based Windows Software.  I’ve 
been using it for several months to run INTEL software for railroad signal 
monitoring (ATCS) and it works seamlessly.  There was no problem transferring 
program files from a Dell Latitude machine and having the software run without 
modification.

Consequently, even though there may not be an ARM version of a Windows software 
package, it may still be possible to run it under Windows ARM using an 
INTEL-based Windows package.  

That said, there is one caveat:   Windows ARM does not currently support 
natively USB devices other than such as items as Keyboards, Mice, Trackballs, 
etc.  For example, I cannot run a SDR device on the ARM because the device 
drivers don’t exist under ARM needed for SDR:  I use ZADIG to add drivers for 
SDR and it doesn’t work running Windows 11 ARM.  

I suspect that USB support for ARM will grow under time, but it remains to be 
seen whether software that uses USB attached devices that require special 
device drivers will work.  In my case, this means using data sources available 
via the internet rather than using a SDR device for over-the-air reception of 
data.  For example, I can use data collected via SDR attached to my Dell laptop 
and feed that data to Apple MBP M1 laptop running Windows 11 ARM via LAN to 
display the data.  


FWIW,

Barry, WD4ASW


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[G4GNX]

I’ve been running Parallels on my MBP M1 since I got it and it’s never slowed 
anything down. I use Windows 11 for writing C++ and programming STM devices. 
The main thing I don’t like about Windows 11 is that useful things such as 
Delete are in a sub-menu, rather than a straightforward right click. That and 
the lack of a proper delete key.

I won’t be using HRD or any other program that refuses to go with the times.

73,
Alan - G4GNX




> On 25 Sep 2022, at 00:51, Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> …...Only fly in the ointment I’ve encountered is that I run Parallels and 
> it upgraded to the latest version and then installed Windows 11 ARM for me. I 
> haven't played with it yet, so I don't know how much it will bog down the 
> system. *BUT*, be forewarned that Ham Radio DeLuxe is Intel-only and flatly 
> told me in their support forum that they do NOT intend to make an ARM64 
> version for Windows 11. I only use HRD as a backup log program to review my 
> awards standing (e.g., DXCC, WPX, etc.), and now do so on my Intel-based 
> iMac, but I plan to retire it eventually. I've never used it for rig control, 
> etc.
> 73,
> Brandy, N1HO

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft]

 About a month ago, I upgraded from an old (2015?) Intel i5-based MBP to the 
new M2 MBP, and was able to migrate everything over to it seamlessly by having 
the M2 import all of my bits from the TimeMachine backup. I've been using 
RUMlogNG for years, and it works nicely with both WSJT-X and JTDX 
*simultaneously*, with WSJT-X driving the upgraded K3 (near-K3s) operating with 
the KXV3B on 630m and JTDX operating the K4D on the HF bands. I do not have 
RUMlogNG do any rig control for me, however.
I have 24MB of memory in this MBP, but I was operating with 16MB on the old MBP 
just fine. I had a 250GB SSD on the old MBP, but splurged for 1TB on the M2. 
However, I think you should be able to get by with 16/250 on an Apple Silicon 
based machine unless you're planning to watch a movie or edit video while 
you're working the bands :-) One trick that I pull is to have a separate 
partition on a large USB drive (which is primarily used for TimeMachine) to 
keep less-needed files, as well as the log files generated by WSJT-X and JTDX. 
I simply created a symbolic link in the files for those two apps to point to 
the right places on the USB drive.
Only fly in the ointment I've encountered is that I run Parallels and it 
upgraded to the latest version and then installed Windows 11 ARM for me. I 
haven't played with it yet, so I don't know how much it will bog down the 
system. *BUT*, be forewarned that Ham Radio DeLuxe is Intel-only and flatly 
told me in their support forum that they do NOT intend to make an ARM64 version 
for Windows 11. I only use HRD as a backup log program to review my awards 
standing (e.g., DXCC, WPX, etc.), and now do so on my Intel-based iMac, but I 
plan to retire it eventually. I've never used it for rig control, etc.
I also had a minor problem porting 'flaa' to the new system, and had to forage 
for an as-yet unreleased version and compile it myself. But, once I did, it 
worked beautifully. Also, I was able to use the latest versions of 
nanovna-saverwith my nanoVNA-F, by doing a 'chmod +x' one time to make it 
executable, but I do have to invoke it from a command line in Terminal, and it 
takes a while to start up, even though I have the latest Python version 
installed.
I have not updated to Ventura yet, either - simply too busy doing other/fun 
stuff - but I'll be happy to assist as best I can.
73,
Brandy, N1HO


On Saturday, September 24, 2022, 02:26:00 PM EDT, David Christ 
 wrote:  
 
 Has anyone used a Mac Mini with a K3 or K3s?  How much RAM and how big an SSD? 
 I am especially interested in which logging program you use.  I have been 
looking at RumLogNG but am not set on it.  How well has it been working?

David K0LUM

  
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[G4GNX]

I started using a 2012 MacMini a short while ago, after my elderly Win7 PC 
sound card failed and it wasn’t worth fixing. The difference between my setup 
and your proposed one is that I have updated the MacMini to a server style 1TB 
SSD and more memory, so that I can leave it running 24/7 without worrying. The 
other thing I’ve done is to bootcamp it and I run Windows 10 on it. The reason 
for this is so I can run Log4OM which is a Windows based program and I believe 
that the MacMini USB capability is far more reliable and stable, even when 
running Windows. It’s been running without issue so far with my K3S, even with 
2 screens, but unfortunately programs like HamClock won’t run correctly, which 
I believe is because the author has made ‘illegal’ screen writes.

TBQH I don’t think that the expense of an M1 MacMini is justified for shack 
use, unless you’re going to double it up for apps that need that sort of speed 
and memory.

I will probably ditch Log4OM sooner or later, due to unfixed bugs and the fact 
that it uses OmniRig for CAT control. OmniRig only allows 2 rigs to be 
connected and I want more than that. If/when I do change my logging and CAT 
control, I’ll then have the choice of using it in Mac native mode or Windows or 
both. In fact I slipped up and took out a 2nd version of Parallels for my 
MacBook Pro by mistake and I may well install the 2nd iteration on the MacMini, 
which makes it very convenient to run MacOS and Windows simultaneously.

Like you, I’m looking at logging programs, although of course I don’t know 
whether our requirements are the same. I need CAT control via the logger for 4 
rigs minimum and I need a really good net control section, database sharing via 
Dropbox and ability to send QSO data to QRZ.com  in real time.

I’m interested to know what you think of RumLogNG and any other logging 
program/app you might be able to recommend.

73,
Alan - G4GNX




> On 24 Sep 2022, at 19:24, David Christ  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used a Mac Mini with a K3 or K3s?  How much RAM and how big an 
> SSD?  I am especially interested in which logging program you use.  I have 
> been looking at RumLogNG but am not set on it.  How well has it been working?
> 
> David K0LUM
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[James Bennett via Elecraft]

David,

I used a K3 up until about three months ago on my Mac Mini (intel-powered) with 
no problems at all. The K3 was sold and now the Mini is connected to a K4D, 
which also plays well on the platform. My Mini has 32GB on non-Apple Ram and 
the hard drive (SSD) is 1TB. OS is Monterey 12.5.1

Like another poster, I used MacLoggerDX (MLDX) for all of my logging and 
SkookumLogger for contesting - a great combination. Don at Dog Park Software 
has been super quick answering any questions I have on MLDX, in addition to 
providing quick fixes for some minor issues. Also, I have an IC-705 that shares 
my four keys, antenna, and MLDX.

Jim Bennett / K7TXA
Eagle, ID



> On Sep 24, 2022, at 12:24 PM, David Christ  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used a Mac Mini with a K3 or K3s?  How much RAM and how big an 
> SSD?  I am especially interested in which logging program you use.  I have 
> been looking at RumLogNG but am not set on it.  How well has it been working?
> 
> David K0LUM
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[Jack Brindle via Elecraft]

The Elecraft radios play very well with Macintoshes. In fact, KPA500 code was 
developed (and still maintained) on a Mac mini. The various Elecraft Utilities 
for the K-Line work very well on macOS.

For general logging, be sure to check out MacLogger-DX. It is very well 
maintained with lots of features. For contesting there are a few choices. 
RumLog is one, but I prefer SkookumLogger from K1GQ. It is available (for 
free!) on the Mac App Store. Of course WSJT-X plays natively on the system as 
well for FT-4/8 and other weak-signal modes.

And, if you find you really need to run a Windows app, Windows plays very well 
on Intel Macs using VMware Fusion (also free) or one of the other 
virtualization systems.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Sep 24, 2022, at 1:24 PM, David Christ  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone used a Mac Mini with a K3 or K3s?  How much RAM and how big an 
> SSD?  I am especially interested in which logging program you use.  I have 
> been looking at RumLogNG but am not set on it.  How well has it been working?
> 
> David K0LUM
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[Andrew (A.J.) Stockton via Elecraft]

I have 11 yr old MacBook Air and a new Mac Mini M1.  Both work great with the 
KX3 and  MacLoggerDX!  I prefer MacLoggerDX for general logging and 
SkookumLogger for contesting.  Best 1 2 punch…
DM direct if you have more questions 
NK4O
A.J. Stockton

> On Sep 24, 2022, at 2:08 PM, Lee Hiers  wrote:
> 
> I have an old Mini, not an M1.  I've been using RumLogNG for years with no
> problems.  512G SSD 16G RAM.  Currently on Catalina.  I do keep my log data
> on a USB HD.
> 
> Use with K3 and KX3.
> 
> There is a FB group for RLNG.
> 
> Lee, AA4GA
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 2:25 PM David Christ  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone used a Mac Mini with a K3 or K3s?  How much RAM and how big an
>> SSD?  I am especially interested in which logging program you use.  I have
>> been looking at RumLogNG but am not set on it.  How well has it been
>> working?
>> 
>> David K0LUM
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 MacOS M1 Mini

[Lee Hiers]

I have an old Mini, not an M1.  I've been using RumLogNG for years with no
problems.  512G SSD 16G RAM.  Currently on Catalina.  I do keep my log data
on a USB HD.

Use with K3 and KX3.

There is a FB group for RLNG.

Lee, AA4GA

On Sat, Sep 24, 2022, 2:25 PM David Christ  wrote:

> Has anyone used a Mac Mini with a K3 or K3s?  How much RAM and how big an
> SSD?  I am especially interested in which logging program you use.  I have
> been looking at RumLogNG but am not set on it.  How well has it been
> working?
>
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