Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form and Thunderbird Threads (End of Threads)
Folks, lets end the 'Bad Form' and 'Thunderbird' threads as they past the usual single topic posting limit. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Dec 28, 2020, at 3:10 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Actually, it's a bit variable, Mozilla has a penchant for nit noy changes to > the UI with each update. My Tbird is 78.6.0 [32-bit], it updated a couple of > days ago. I did "Reply List" for this message and it is addressed only to > the Elecraft List. That's different behavior than before the update. For > example, for quite awhile, additional addresses were in a list format, one > under another, and each line could be a To, CC, or Bcc. Now, they just > continue on the To: line. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
Gwen - I disagree. Having not made the content of the email public, the sender specifically stated they did not want the message to be published on the list. The message demeaned Elecraft as a company and accused them of illegal acts. Regardless of how, or why, I got the message, it was inappropriate, unwarranted and (based on other language in the email) intentionally sent only to me. I did, however, forward the message in it’s entirety to Elecraft support. As for me, I am a very happy customer! Keeping Watch- shu Joe Shuman, NZ8P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
Alan, My Thunderbird does not work like that - If I select "Reply to List", it puts my email address in the Reply-to field and in the To field, it puts the elecraft list address. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2020 4:30 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: I'm also using Thunderbird, but when I chose "Reply List" it puts my own email address in the "To" field instead of the list address. I have to select "Reply All", in which case it does the right thing - reply to the sender as well as the list. I'm using Firefox 78.6.0 (32-bit) on a Windows 10 laptop. As I recall, the Linux version of Thunderbird did the same thing when I was using a Linux computer to access the Internet. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
I'm also using Thunderbird, but when I chose "Reply List" it puts my own email address in the "To" field instead of the list address. I have to select "Reply All", in which case it does the right thing - reply to the sender as well as the list. I'm using Firefox 78.6.0 (32-bit) on a Windows 10 laptop. As I recall, the Linux version of Thunderbird did the same thing when I was using a Linux computer to access the Internet. Alan N1AL On 12/28/2020 1:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote: That depends on your email software. I've long used Thunderbird, which gives me the choice of list or sender. 73, Jim K9YC On 12/28/2020 12:20 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: The reason for this happening is simple. The list is configured so that when you REPLY to someone's post, it only puts that person's email address in the TO: line. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
That depends on your email software. I've long used Thunderbird, which gives me the choice of list or sender. 73, Jim K9YC On 12/28/2020 12:20 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: The reason for this happening is simple. The list is configured so that when you REPLY to someone's post, it only puts that person's email address in the TO: line. You have to ADD the Elecraft reflector address to that address line to send it to the list. Most people who send individuals things meant for the Elecraft list do not notice that this is happening, or don't know how to fix it. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
The reason for this happening is simple. The list is configured so that when you REPLY to someone's post, it only puts that person's email address in the TO: line. You have to ADD the Elecraft reflector address to that address line to send it to the list. Most people who send individuals things meant for the Elecraft list do not notice that this is happening, or don't know how to fix it. Perhaps we need to ask Elecraft to change the settings on the list, so replies to a post ON the list is directed TO the list, instead of to the person who initially posted it. Case in point, even though Joe posted this to the list, my reply only has Joe's address on the TO: line. I will have to add the list's address to it. I usually also remove the poster's address, as there's no reason to send it to both addresses. Look at the address headers in anyone's post to the list. The Reply-To: line shows the poster's address. Not the Elecraft list. So, Joe, this is not someone's deliberate attempt to annoy you, nor do they somehow think you work for Elecraft. They don't. It's 95% certain that they didn't intend to reply to only you, that they really wanted to post it to the reflector. But they either didn't know or notice this was how the list was configured, they didn't know how to fix it, or both. So yelling at them isn't necessarily going to fix the problem. Reconfiguring the list so replies go TO the list WILL. I've run enough mailing lists and such over the past decades since such things existed that I've seen this happen countless times. It's a list configuration issue. Not an interpersonal one. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 73, Gwen, NG3P On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 9:42 AM Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I received an email this morning, to my personal address, from another > operator I do not know, with a complaint about Elecraft. To that operator, > do NOT do this again. To my fellow Elecraft mailman participants, be wary > of such actors. > > This is a tech sharing site that occasionally ventures into humor and > customer service threads that, in my opinion, belong here by good-faith > participants in this digital community. If continued abuse of personal > addresses continues, my limited participation will be reduced to nil. I DO > NOT WORK FOR ELECRAFT. Rather, I am a very satisfied customer. > > My apologies for feeling I should take up your time and digital server > space reacting to such nonsense. > > Thank God 2020 is ending! > > Keeping Watch- > shu > > Joe Shuman, NZ8P > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ard...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
I would still probably "blacklist" them with a filter. I get way too much unsolicited email anyway. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 13:25 Grant Youngman wrote: > Had you posted something else, or responded to another post on the list? > Another possibility, unless the email was clearly directed personally to > you, is that a list responder hit “reply to” instead of “reply to all”, so > it only appeared to be directed personally to you instead of the list. > > Grant NQ5T > > > On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > > > > In the past I have just set up a filter taking emails from specific > > addresses straight to trash. Never see them, don't worry about them. > > > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 08:43 Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < > > elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > >> I received an email this morning, to my personal address, from another > >> operator I do not know, with a complaint about Elecraft. To that > operator, > >> do NOT do this again. To my fellow Elecraft mailman participants, be > wary > >> of such actors. > >> > >> This is a tech sharing site that occasionally ventures into humor and > >> customer service threads that, in my opinion, belong here by good-faith > >> participants in this digital community. If continued abuse of personal > >> addresses continues, my limited participation will be reduced to nil. > I DO > >> NOT WORK FOR ELECRAFT. Rather, I am a very satisfied customer. > >> > >> My apologies for feeling I should take up your time and digital server > >> space reacting to such nonsense. > >> > >> Thank God 2020 is ending! > >> > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
Had you posted something else, or responded to another post on the list? Another possibility, unless the email was clearly directed personally to you, is that a list responder hit “reply to” instead of “reply to all”, so it only appeared to be directed personally to you instead of the list. Grant NQ5T > On Dec 28, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > > In the past I have just set up a filter taking emails from specific > addresses straight to trash. Never see them, don't worry about them. > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 08:43 Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < > elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> I received an email this morning, to my personal address, from another >> operator I do not know, with a complaint about Elecraft. To that operator, >> do NOT do this again. To my fellow Elecraft mailman participants, be wary >> of such actors. >> >> This is a tech sharing site that occasionally ventures into humor and >> customer service threads that, in my opinion, belong here by good-faith >> participants in this digital community. If continued abuse of personal >> addresses continues, my limited participation will be reduced to nil. I DO >> NOT WORK FOR ELECRAFT. Rather, I am a very satisfied customer. >> >> My apologies for feeling I should take up your time and digital server >> space reacting to such nonsense. >> >> Thank God 2020 is ending! >> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Bad Form
In the past I have just set up a filter taking emails from specific addresses straight to trash. Never see them, don't worry about them. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 08:43 Joseph Shuman via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I received an email this morning, to my personal address, from another > operator I do not know, with a complaint about Elecraft. To that operator, > do NOT do this again. To my fellow Elecraft mailman participants, be wary > of such actors. > > This is a tech sharing site that occasionally ventures into humor and > customer service threads that, in my opinion, belong here by good-faith > participants in this digital community. If continued abuse of personal > addresses continues, my limited participation will be reduced to nil. I DO > NOT WORK FOR ELECRAFT. Rather, I am a very satisfied customer. > > My apologies for feeling I should take up your time and digital server > space reacting to such nonsense. > > Thank God 2020 is ending! > > Keeping Watch- > shu > > Joe Shuman, NZ8P > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk...@gmail.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
