Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Wire antennas! The Buddipole is OK but a decent wire antenna will outperform. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Yes, I have one. Myself I would take some pre-made wire antennas, probably dipoles which I can string up. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Robert Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon have you actually tried the Buddipole? I haven't but have examined it at Martin Lynch and just think that it is a very convenient, quick way of getting on air from a portable location with a system which is going to considerably outperform mobile whips. 73 Rob, G3RCE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Simon have you actually tried the Buddipole? I haven't but have examined it at Martin Lynch and just think that it is a very convenient, quick way of getting on air from a portable location with a system which is going to considerably outperform mobile whips. 73 Rob, G3RCE -- Wire antennas! The Buddipole is OK but a decent wire antenna will outperform. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Wire: bend it any way you like except into a coil, unless you really have to. SGC tuner adds weight and cost to your portable operation which do not add to your signal. Buy fishing poles instead. David G3UNA From: Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/05/13 Tue AM 07:54:05 BST To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire Wire antennas! The Buddipole is OK but a decent wire antenna will outperform. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Robert Allbright wrote: I haven't but have examined it at Martin Lynch and just think that it is a very convenient, quick way of getting on air from a portable location with a system which is going to considerably outperform mobile whips. Considerably outperform? Isn't it basically a pair of center loaded mobile whips back to back? - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Packing-the-Buddipole-antenna-tp17195403p17204793.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Brian and All, Wire and a tuner is always good, particularly if you can get it up high enough. And, it's cheaper But I think a Buddipole could be a good choice unless you know in advance how you would be able to raise a wire antenna adequately to get good results. I have a Buddipole system, and like it very much for many portable situations. But I will tell you that more often than not I use mine as a vertical (like the Buddistick). I almost always get better results using the system vertically, primarily because it's hard to get a Buddipole up high enough to really be effective. Of course, it would be nice if you could raise the system up somewhat even if you do use it vertically. The other advantage to wire and a tuner is that you can use it multiband more easily, assuming you also use balanced feedline. With a Buddipole (or Buddistick) you have to keep changing the coil settings to change bands. That might be a hassle. And if you do opt for the Buddistick idea, don't hesitate to use an extra rod or two under the coil, and a longer top section too. And use more radials than they suggest if you can. Any or all of these will give you better results usually. I just got my June QST yesterday, and Rick Littlefield (a well known QRPer) has an article on a multiband wire antenna that is off center fed. And it uses coax. But to do so, you have to pass on the WARC bands--those bands always present a matching problem for coax fed multiband antennas. The G5RV is a case in point. There's a little work involved in constructing Rick's antenna, but once you do it, it looks like it would be fairly easy to transport. I've never used an OCF antenna, but there are lots of good reasons to do so. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire I am heading out on a bit of a DXpedition in a month and will be dragging the K2 along with me. I will be in St. Kitts (V4) and Dominica (J7). Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Hi Brian It really depends on what you can find for antenna supports. A wire dipole cut to frequency and up in the air higher than you are likely to raise a Buddipole will do more for you. The Buddipole makes a nice fallback antenna, but I'd try for an elevated wire antenna where possible. 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire I am heading out on a bit of a DXpedition in a month and will be dragging the K2 along with me. I will be in St. Kitts (V4) and Dominica (J7). Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Brian, Also remember that one cannot defeat the laws of physics. A Buddypole is nothing but a piece of radiating 'wire' (OK, so it is a tube or whip, little difference) that is tuned by the inductor. A piece of wire the same length as the Buddypole attached to a tuner should perform about the same. (you will still need the radials connected to the tuner 'ground'). The longer the wire, and the higher the wire, the better the radiation will be. If you are looking for convenience, then the Buddypole or something similar is a good choice, but if you are striving for efficiency, a longer wire with a tuner or a dipole will be better. 73, Don W3FPR Robert Tellefsen wrote: Hi Brian It really depends on what you can find for antenna supports. A wire dipole cut to frequency and up in the air higher than you are likely to raise a Buddipole will do more for you. The Buddipole makes a nice fallback antenna, but I'd try for an elevated wire antenna where possible. 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire I am heading out on a bit of a DXpedition in a month and will be dragging the K2 along with me. I will be in St. Kitts (V4) and Dominica (J7). Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Brian, Have you considered something like the YO-YO tenna? www.hamradiofun.com/yoyodeluxe.html They are very nice and compact dipole antenna and can be made to resonant length by only spooling out the correct amount of wire that you need for the particular band you want to work. Hoist it up in a coconut tree as high as you can get it and I think you'd be better off then with the buddipole at ground level. 73 Matt w5LL On Tue, 2008-05-13 at 07:53 -0700, Robert Tellefsen wrote: Hi Brian It really depends on what you can find for antenna supports. A wire dipole cut to frequency and up in the air higher than you are likely to raise a Buddipole will do more for you. The Buddipole makes a nice fallback antenna, but I'd try for an elevated wire antenna where possible. 73, Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire I am heading out on a bit of a DXpedition in a month and will be dragging the K2 along with me. I will be in St. Kitts (V4) and Dominica (J7). Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
Wow! Thanks for all the input. FWIW, I already own the SGC-231 tuner so it and wire cost me nothing. I would have to buy the Buddipole so it would have to be significantly easier/better to use to make it worth spending $400 on. Again, thanks for all the input. I appreciate it. Brian Lloyd Granite Bay Montessori School 9330 Sierra College Bl brian AT gbmontessori DOT com Roseville, CA 95661 +1.916.367.2131 (voice)+1.791.912.8170 (fax) PGP key ID: 12095C52A32A1B6C PGP key fingerprint: 3B1D BA11 4913 3254 B6E0 CC09 1209 5C52 A32A 1B6C ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Buddipole vs. tuner and wire
I borrowed a friends buddipole setup for a trip to Valdosta, GA with my K2/100. It had an 8' mast. My understanding is it perfoms significantly better with the 16' mast. It did ok for what I was doing. I had a 20m dipole strung low, and the buddipole did better than that. The biggest plus for the buddipole is that it can be setup in many different configurations and you know what you have. If on the other hand, you know you will be able to string something 20' up in a tree and run with that, it is a different matter. I did not play with the buddipole in the vertical configuration, but now wish I had. I can't find the article, but the author twisted a coil in a wire, I think about 20' high, tied a coupe of guys and 3 radials and worked stations all weekend while camping in the rv. Dave Wilburn K4DGW K2/100 - S/N 5982 K3/100 - S/N 766 For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know. Brian Lloyd wrote: I am heading out on a bit of a DXpedition in a month and will be dragging the K2 along with me. I will be in St. Kitts (V4) and Dominica (J7). Thinking about antennas, I was planning to take my SGC-231 tuner and some wire but am also looking at the Buddipole (which Elecraft sells so that makes it on-topic here :-) as an alternative. Would anyone care to comment on wire/tuner vs. Buddipole? -- 73 de Brian, WB6RQN Brian Lloyd - brian HYPHEN wb6rqn AT lloyd DOT com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
