Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
At 01:29 AM 2/28/2008, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: If you would listen to the rumors - and do a little research - instead of yammering about Elecraft hiding things from the customers and hinting about evil motives, Use that paint brush on someone else. you will find out that the hardware AGC modification (the one you're talking about) is still under review. Elecraft have made a change and are evaluating it. There is consideration of further increasing the threshold at which the HAGC begins to act. The rumors are out, and the best way to stop them is to have some official word from Elecraftotherwise folks can choose whatever version of the rumor they feel is closest to the truth. Why on earth would Elecraft publicly discuss a change that they haven't finalized? To simply acknowledge that they are working to solve the problem. The information you're getting in in pieces is still work in progress. I'm sure Eric or Wayne will announce all the details when they are final. Public discussion on their part prior to having the answers would be premature. And so, with no word from them, folks can guesssome of the guesses will be wrong. Like the open barn door, the cats are out of the bag. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Thom LaCosta wrote: And so, with no word from them, folks can guesssome of the guesses will be wrong. Like the open barn door, the cats are out of the bag. Elvis is alive, Kennedy was assassinated by the CIA, the moon landings never happened and Princess Diana was killed by MI6 on instructions from the Royal Family. Good grief, Elecraft are running a business, not a charity. They do not have to explain a thing until they wish to. 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
It is not a problem, it is an enhancement. Many of us in the field test / bet team have told you what is happening, still you moan! When the time is right you will be officially informed by Elecraft. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To simply acknowledge that they are working to solve the problem. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
At 08:13 AM 2/28/2008, Simon pontificated: It is not a problem, it is an enhancement. Many of us in the field test / bet team have told you what is happening, still you moan! NoI'm making an observation about communications, and how the lack thereof stimulates rumors. But that's interesting that you describe it as an enhancementperhaps I am getting confused ... since there are rumors, which I have been instructed to accept as facts, that there may be a problem. Perhaps that's a different issue. This is all so confusing.but then again, I get confused when a software company describes a bug as a feature. 73, Thom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
A bug is just an undocumented feature :-) 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:46:53 -0500, Thom LaCosta wrote: At 08:13 AM 2/28/2008, Simon pontificated: It is not a problem, it is an enhancement. Many of us in the field test / bet team have told you what is happening, still you moan! NoI'm making an observation about communications, and how the lack thereof stimulates rumors. But that's interesting that you describe it as an enhancementperhaps I am getting confused ... since there are rumors, which I have been instructed to accept as facts, that there may be a problem. Perhaps that's a different issue. This is all so confusing.but then again, I get confused when a software company describes a bug as a feature. 73, Thom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Finally!! Elecraft decide to implement a couple of hardware upgrades, not fixes, upgrades, and the nattering nay bobs of negativism come unglued. You can barely get IKENSU to pay attention to design failures and fixes, FT1K/D/MP/Mk5 key clicks, IC-756Pro/II/III first CW character popping, IC-2720 roasting finals like they're cheap, but Elecraft get taken to task by some because they weren't consulted first or notified in advance? Who the hell do some of you people think you are? Check me if I'm wrong but don't IKENSU make you buy a whole new radio for upgrades? How many IC-756Pro's or Orion I's are running around with color LCD's? None, zero, zip, nada. Were those upgrades made available to owners of the older rigs? Nope. Thanks Joe. Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: | Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is | NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not | been forthcoming with the changes. | | Since when does any manufacturer have an affirmative duty to publicly | discuss prospective design changes? I'm sure that Elecraft will | announce modification kits for those who wish to purchase updates. | | No manufacturer's warranty ever includes design changes or product | upgrades (other than perhaps firmware upgrades). | | 73, | |... Joe, W4TV - -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHxsPj11jxjloa2wsRAjUmAJ4+kpO20mqE1Go62Xu6L1wX208HxgCeO6LC WQwtyaQqhAXcZCEl5J2jHLU= =DFjJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good grief, Elecraft are running a business, not a charity. They do not have to explain a thing until they wish to. Very true Ian, but if the K3 natives are getting restless perhaps some simple comment such as 'it's on the list' might help to stop the chatter, if Elecraft has the time to do that. 73, Geoff GM4ESD ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:59:35 + (GMT), Stewart G3RXQ wrote: A bug is just an undocumented feature :-) 73 Stewart G3RXQ Speaking of secret hardware, how about secret firmware... there must be an easter egg somewhere in all that K3 code, right? 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? [OT]
The reason you have not heard anything is because Wayne Eric are negotiating to buy Neverland from Micky Jackson and move the whole manufacturing operation *and* the 'enhanced customer care' facility out to Santa Barbara. Just a rumour, you didn't hear it from me. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] NoI'm making an observation about communications, and how the lack thereof stimulates rumors. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Speaking of secret hardware, how about secret firmware... there must be an easter egg somewhere in all that K3 code, right? Yep, just like the ones in the K2, K1 and KX1. ... oh wait ... ahhh ... you mean there aren't any known easter eggs in all that code? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
There is another side to this. Elecraft has (as any manufacturer does) the right to make changes without notifying customers. I guess the really owe us absolutely nothing in this regard. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 Wave 3 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
But that's interesting that you describe it as an enhancement perhaps I am getting confused ... since there are rumors, which I have been instructed to accept as facts, that there may be a problem. Perhaps that's a different issue. The issue here is a change in the level at which the hardware AGC begins to take effect. There is no problem - hardware AGC works as designed. However, HAGC may begin acting at a lower level than absolutely necessary to protect the DSP chip - the design was conservative. If you are following those parts of the discussion that field testers have allowed to slip in public, it may be possible to increase the HACG threshold and reduce the somewhat to reduce the blocking effect of strong signals inside the roofing filter but outside the DSP filter bandwidth without reducing the close spaced IMDDR. The radio is not defective - this is not a fix. This is an improvement that may not even be necessary if you are using matched roofing filters - roofing filters with bandwidth similar to the DSP filter. However, not every user will need or want to load the receiver with roofing filters. Optimizing the HAGC threshold will provide better performance in the unique situation of unmatched filter bandwidth. The K3 is not LINUX - it's not open source development and/or GPL. Elecraft are a business and have no legal or moral obligation to make any disclosure or seek your approval before working on a product improvement. -Original Message- From: Thom LaCosta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:47 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: Joe Subich, W4TV; 'S Sacco' Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? At 08:13 AM 2/28/2008, Simon pontificated: It is not a problem, it is an enhancement. Many of us in the field test / bet team have told you what is happening, still you moan! NoI'm making an observation about communications, and how the lack thereof stimulates rumors. But that's interesting that you describe it as an enhancementperhaps I am getting confused ... since there are rumors, which I have been instructed to accept as facts, that there may be a problem. Perhaps that's a different issue. This is all so confusing.but then again, I get confused when a software company describes a bug as a feature. 73, Thom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
This thread is getting more tiresome by the minute... Thom, You wrote: Instead, by not being forthcoming, the rumor mill ramps up, the loyalists post to convince the sceptics and vice-versa. The problem is that your post, and others like it, is the fuel that feeds the fire that you are complaining about. I respectfully submit that when you plunked down your money for a K3 and took delivery of it, you received the product that you ordered, along with a one year warranty. You DID NOT purchase anything else.. no guarantee that Elecraft would provide you with any information regarding circuit changes, modifications, and a general -hand holding- that some folks here think is owed to them by Elecraft. Please - please take your whining somewhere else. And, if you truly believe that you've been wronged or that Elecraft mis-represented itself in any advertising claims or dealings with you, take it up with them or call a lawyer. As Joe, W4TV, aptly points out: Since when does any manufacturer have an affirmative duty to publicly discuss prospective design changes? I'm sure that Elecraft will announce modification kits for those who wish to purchase updates. No manufacturer's warranty ever includes design changes or product upgrades (other than perhaps firmware upgrades). Joe Stofko - W1AIU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? [OT]
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: The reason you have not heard anything is because Wayne Eric are negotiating to buy Neverland from Micky Jackson and move the whole manufacturing operation *and* the 'enhanced customer care' facility out to Santa Barbara. Ahand now we know for sure. Just a rumour, you didn't hear it from me. I love itbeleive the rumors, but forget who told you. Do you work for the US government? 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Joe Stofko wrote: This thread is getting more tiresome by the minute... Yes, and even more the posts from folks like yourelf. 73 thom ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, R. Kevin Stover wrote: Elecraft decide to implement a couple of hardware upgrades, not fixes, upgrades, and the nattering nay bobs of negativism come unglued. My, what a wordsmith. You can barely get IKENSU to pay attention to design failures and fixes, FT1K/D/MP/Mk5 key clicks, IC-756Pro/II/III first CW character popping, IC-2720 roasting finals like they're cheap, but Elecraft get taken to task by some because they weren't consulted first or notified in advance? Learn how to readI never asked to be consulted first. I've been told to believe the rumorswhat kind of stupidity is that? Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Well said Joe Larry Putman WB3ANQ - Original Message From: Joe Stofko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:21:29 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? This thread is getting more tiresome by the minute... Thom, You wrote: Instead, by not being forthcoming, the rumor mill ramps up, the loyalists post to convince the skeptics and vice-versa. The problem is that your post, and others like it, is the fuel that feeds the fire that you are complaining about. I respectfully submit that when you plunked down your money for a K3 and took delivery of it, you received the product that you ordered, along with a one year warranty. You DID NOT purchase anything else.. no guarantee that Elecraft would provide you with any information regarding circuit changes, modifications, and a general -hand holding- that some folks here think is owed to them by Elecraft. Please - please take your whining somewhere else. And, if you truly believe that you've been wronged or that Elecraft mis-represented itself in any advertising claims or dealings with you, take it up with them or call a lawyer. As Joe, W4TV, aptly points out: Since when does any manufacturer have an affirmative duty to publicly discuss prospective design changes? I'm sure that Elecraft will announce modification kits for those who wish to purchase updates. No manufacturer's warranty ever includes design changes or product upgrades (other than perhaps firmware upgrades). Joe Stofko - W1AIU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
But based on past events, Elecraft has always worked out an acceptable and equitable solution to these issues. I say leave them alone and let them handle their business. When they have a solution, they will present it. Till then folks are getting themselves worked up over events they cannot control. From W.W. Bartley For every ailment under the sun There is a remedy, or there is none; If there be one, try to find it; If there be none, never mind it. Dave Wilburn K4DGW K2/100 - S/N 5982 Joe Stofko wrote: This thread is getting more tiresome by the minute... Thom, You wrote: Instead, by not being forthcoming, the rumor mill ramps up, the loyalists post to convince the sceptics and vice-versa. The problem is that your post, and others like it, is the fuel that feeds the fire that you are complaining about. I respectfully submit that when you plunked down your money for a K3 and took delivery of it, you received the product that you ordered, along with a one year warranty. You DID NOT purchase anything else.. no guarantee that Elecraft would provide you with any information regarding circuit changes, modifications, and a general -hand holding- that some folks here think is owed to them by Elecraft. Please - please take your whining somewhere else. And, if you truly believe that you've been wronged or that Elecraft mis-represented itself in any advertising claims or dealings with you, take it up with them or call a lawyer. As Joe, W4TV, aptly points out: Since when does any manufacturer have an affirmative duty to publicly discuss prospective design changes? I'm sure that Elecraft will announce modification kits for those who wish to purchase updates. No manufacturer's warranty ever includes design changes or product upgrades (other than perhaps firmware upgrades). Joe Stofko - W1AIU ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
I've been wondering about the hardware mods mentioned here: http://www.bavarian-contest-club.de/projects/K3_english.pdf in section 6 Elecraft Says. Which, if any, of these are incorporated in current production? Bob NW8L On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:16 AM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G4ILO posted: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2008-February/083716.html Is this just a rumor or factual? I find the idea that this actually has happened to be very scary (the unannounced part). Eric, Wayne, etcany comments? de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
I too am wondering about this. If I had the choice, I'd rather wait a bit and get one that already has the mods. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 Wave 3 - -Original Message- G4ILO posted: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2008-February/083716.html Is this just a rumor or factual? I find the idea that this actually has happened to be very scary (the unannounced part). Eric, Wayne, etcany comments? de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: G4ILO posted: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2008-February/083716.html Is this just a rumor or factual? I find the idea that this actually has happened to be very scary (the unannounced part). There's an IMD mod to the Hardware AGC circuit. It is not complicated and can be done with leaded components (or SMT) in a few minutes. I do not know if it has been added to production radios yet or if the ARRL's unit has it. There have been several versions of it. Perhaps Elecraft hasn't settled on a final version. Improvements in turnaround time for AMTOR (etc.) have been made in firmware. Further improvement is planned; I don't know if it will be made in firmware or hardware There is a single capacitor whose value was changed to improve CW waveshape. I'm sure that at some point -- if it is decided to add these changes to production radios -- Elecraft will tell us what serial numbers are affected and how to do them if we wish, just like they did with the K2. If they are not announced, it's not because they will be forever secret. It's because the Elecraft staff has plenty to do without dealing with this right now. Would it be better for Elecraft to not make any changes where they see an opportunity for improvement? -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Given the high quality of the engineers in the test group it's only to be expected that there will be enhancements, I wish I had a groups as good as this for my day job. None of the changes made are critical, I'm sure they'll be documented later. As has been said, they are minor changes, FWIW I can't be bothered to add them. We have the leading performance radio for the price of an average radio from Japan, the K3 will only get better as the firmware matures. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] If they are not announced, it's not because they will be forever secret. It's because the Elecraft staff has plenty to do without dealing with this right now. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Vic K2VCO wrote: There's an IMD mod to the Hardware AGC circuit. It is not complicated and can be done with leaded components (or SMT) in a few minutes. I do not know if it has been added to production radios yet or if the ARRL's unit has it. For those of us that can not build, hardware updates and not a simple matter...and sending it back to Aptos is a financial burden. And so, one of the costs of being an eary adopter who doesn't build is sending things back to Aptos. The real question for me is how many other hardware changes that can be done in a few minutes will come up during the warranty period. 73 k3hrn Blessed be those with a target on the back of their shirts, for they shall be called pioneers. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: 'secret' hardware changes?
There are two mods that will probably be announced soon. I am not going to specify what they are or how they will be handled, that will be done by Eric or Wayne. There is no hardware mod for the RX/TX timing. This is something done in firmware and is still being tested by some field testers. This FW change is mainly for those who will operate TOR modes such as AMTOR and PACTOR. The preliminary reports are very good but I think there is still more tweaking to be done before it is announced. I don't believe that Elecraft will announce K3 hardware mods until they are ready. That means testing, instructions written and parts kits put together. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 K3#0009 and 0319 On Wed Feb 27 7:16 , DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL sent: G4ILO posted: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2008-February/083716.html Is this just a rumor or factual? I find the idea that this actually has happened to be very scary (the unannounced part). Eric, Wayne, etcany comments? de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Personally, I find this thread a bit silly. Anyone who thinks ANY radio won't be subject to improvement along the way is smoking something! The alternative is to wait until a model is near the end of it's life cycle, in which case there will be a new and improved model coming out shortly! At least with Elecraft you have a 90% chance of being able to upgrade yourself if it's really that critical. All you have to do is look at the K2 to confirm that fact. And I don't think Elecraft is hiding anything about changes either. A lot of this stuff has been mentioned in postings here on the reflector, but that means you have to pay attention. Besides, I think some of these at least may not have been highlighted on the Elecraft website because they are still tinkering with them. I don't blame Elecraft at all for not waiving a red flag until they have an appropriate solution figured out. I challenge anyone to show me a manufacturer who has been more open than Elecraft about issues/enhancements and how to solve them. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: Thom LaCosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, Vic K2VCO wrote: There's an IMD mod to the Hardware AGC circuit. It is not complicated and can be done with leaded components (or SMT) in a few minutes. I do not know if it has been added to production radios yet or if the ARRL's unit has it. For those of us that can not build, hardware updates and not a simple matter...and sending it back to Aptos is a financial burden. And so, one of the costs of being an eary adopter who doesn't build is sending things back to Aptos. The real question for me is how many other hardware changes that can be done in a few minutes will come up during the warranty period. 73 k3hrn Blessed be those with a target on the back of their shirts, for they shall be called pioneers. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On 2/27/08, T. David Yarnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I find this thread a bit silly. Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Two ENTIRELY different issues. 73, Steve NN4X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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-- From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Because they are being finalised with field testers! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Simon - Wasn't there a rumored change around the S/N 350 mark that people were talking about, too? That's the one I was specifically thinking about when I wrote what I did. 73, Steve NN4X On 2/27/08, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Because they are being finalised with field testers! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:00:06 -0500, you wrote: On 2/27/08, T. David Yarnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I find this thread a bit silly. Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Two ENTIRELY different issues. 73, Steve NN4X [snip] All who agree with Steve that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes, please ask Elecraft to hold your orders until there are never going to be any more improvements, so I can get my K3 sooner and make any modifications they recommend. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin 1775 Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Tom - All who agree with Steve that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes, please ask Elecraft to hold your orders until there are never going to be any more improvements, so I can get my K3 sooner and make any modifications they recommend. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Again, the point is whether changes have been communicated. Those who wish to postpone/cancel/whatever would then be in a position to make that decision. Let me provide another example: The 1 PPM KTCXO3-1 is currently available and offered for sale. I included one with my order on June 18th 2007. It was represented as available at that time, too. As I was assembling my K3 last weekend, I was surprised to learn that, even after all this time, the firmware for the KTCXO3-1 is not available. No mention is made of this at Elecraft's web site, yet they still offer the KTCXO3-1 for sale. Wouldn't it be more, shall we say honest, for lack of a better term, to NOT offer the KTCXO3-1 for sale until the software to utilize it is actually shipping? Barring that, perhaps a note next to the KTCXO3-1 on the ordering page, advising of the firmware status would be the right thing to do, so folks aren't spending $100 for something they can't use? Same kind of thing. Ben Franklin would have understood. He's my fav Founding Father. I read someplace the the other Founding Fathers wouldn't let him write the Constitution, because they were afraid he'd slip a joke or two in there! My kind of guy. :-) 73, Steve NN4X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Since when does any manufacturer have an affirmative duty to publicly discuss prospective design changes? I'm sure that Elecraft will announce modification kits for those who wish to purchase updates. No manufacturer's warranty ever includes design changes or product upgrades (other than perhaps firmware upgrades). 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? On 2/27/08, T. David Yarnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I find this thread a bit silly. Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Two ENTIRELY different issues. 73, Steve NN4X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
Hi Joe - ONCE AGAIN, I'm referring to ALREADY MADE changes, such as the one rumored to have occurred around S/N 350. A-L-R-E-A-D-Y M-A-D-E changes. 73, Steve NN4X On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Since when does any manufacturer have an affirmative duty to publicly discuss prospective design changes? I'm sure that Elecraft will announce modification kits for those who wish to purchase updates. No manufacturer's warranty ever includes design changes or product upgrades (other than perhaps firmware upgrades). 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 3:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? On 2/27/08, T. David Yarnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I find this thread a bit silly. Once again, I think most folks are wildly missing the point, which is NOT that changes have been made, but that Elecraft has apparently not been forthcoming with the changes. Two ENTIRELY different issues. 73, Steve NN4X ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, S Sacco wrote: ONCE AGAIN, I'm referring to ALREADY MADE changes, such as the one rumored to have occurred around S/N 350. And so much of the discussion could be short-circuited if Elecraft told folks that there had been a change, what the change was, with what serial number it started and their plans to get the pre change units modified. They wouldn't even have to announce a date, but simply that they plan to take action. Instead, by not being forthcoming, the rumor mill ramps up, the loyalists post to convince the sceptics and vice-versa. The danger of making the announcement is that if status updates are as timely as the promised delivery status reports were, then the problem is compounded. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes?
And so much of the discussion could be short-circuited if Elecraft told folks that there had been a change, what the change was, with what serial number it started and their plans to get the pre change units modified. If you would listen to the rumors - and do a little research - instead of yammering about Elecraft hiding things from the customers and hinting about evil motives, you will find out that the hardware AGC modification (the one you're talking about) is still under review. Elecraft have made a change and are evaluating it. There is consideration of further increasing the threshold at which the HAGC begins to act. Why on earth would Elecraft publicly discuss a change that they haven't finalized? The information you're getting in in pieces is still work in progress. I'm sure Eric or Wayne will announce all the details when they are final. Public discussion on their part prior to having the answers would be premature. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom LaCosta Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:14 PM To: S Sacco Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: secret hardware changes? On Wed, 27 Feb 2008, S Sacco wrote: ONCE AGAIN, I'm referring to ALREADY MADE changes, such as the one rumored to have occurred around S/N 350. And so much of the discussion could be short-circuited if Elecraft told folks that there had been a change, what the change was, with what serial number it started and their plans to get the pre change units modified. They wouldn't even have to announce a date, but simply that they plan to take action. Instead, by not being forthcoming, the rumor mill ramps up, the loyalists post to convince the sceptics and vice-versa. The danger of making the announcement is that if status updates are as timely as the promised delivery status reports were, then the problem is compounded. 73 k3hrn Thom,EIEIO Email, Internet, Electronic Information Officer www.baltimorehon.com/Home of the Baltimore Lexicon www.tlchost.net/hosting/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
