Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
"Captains log, star date 26537.307..." On Dec 4, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Jim Miller KG0KP wrote: > I have been dreading the day we go to metric TIME. That will take some > getting use to. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
I have been dreading the day we go to metric TIME. That will take some getting use to. 73, de Jim KG0KP - Original Message - From: "John" To: Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement. > At 10:07 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: >> > Its not patriotism, we just have a lot of inertia over here! We are >> > probably another century away from joining the rest of the world. >> > But we do know what side of the road to drive on )-: > > Also one must consider the large cost to replace almost all of your > tools. For example, metric pliers, side cutters, screwdrivers and > adjustable wrenches (spanners), just to name a few items. Have you > ever tried to price a metric hacksaw blade? Good luck! > > John > k7up > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
At 10:07 AM 04/12/09, you wrote: > > Its not patriotism, we just have a lot of inertia over here! We are > > probably another century away from joining the rest of the world. > > But we do know what side of the road to drive on )-: Also one must consider the large cost to replace almost all of your tools. For example, metric pliers, side cutters, screwdrivers and adjustable wrenches (spanners), just to name a few items. Have you ever tried to price a metric hacksaw blade? Good luck! John k7up __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Let's end this thread for now. (We currently supply the hex wrenches with all kit -and- built K3s to avoid this problem overseas.) 73, Eric Rick Dettinger wrote: >> Its not patriotism, we just have a lot of inertia over here! We are >> probably another century away from joining the rest of the world. >> But we do know what side of the road to drive on )-: >> __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
> Its not patriotism, we just have a lot of inertia over here! We are > probably another century away from joining the rest of the world. > But we do know what side of the road to drive on )-: 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW > The problem with the wrench - or hex key is a real one. It also > applies to > all the nuts and bolts used in the K3. For unknown reasons of > patriotism the > USA is non-metric so these are all in imperial sizes. Getting these > outside > of the USA is getting harder and harder. > > > Mike, UK. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
Great joke. Much appreciated by us mathematicians. ROFLOL David K0LUM At 9:15 AM -0500 12/4/09, drewko wrote: >Nah, fractions are better than metric-- more rational. > >-- >73, >Drew >AF2Z > > >On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:24:44 -0800 (PST), Mike, UK. wrote: > >> >>Failing Eric or Wayne running for president and changing this, and with >>Elecraft now becoming a major international force, would it not be better to >>use metric for new Elecraft designs? >> > >Mike, UK. > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
Why not have displays in wavelengths and fractions of wavelengths as we are all familiar with them. 1/2 wave dipoles. 1/4 wave matching stubs, 5/8 wave verticals etc. Also no band to frequency conversions will be required. Bob K2TK Gary D Krause wrote: > No way. Decimals are much easier to work with. Our frequencies are measured > in decimal and I sure wouldn't like to see my rig display it in fractions. > > Gary, N7HTS > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
No way. Decimals are much easier to work with. Our frequencies are measured in decimal and I sure wouldn't like to see my rig display it in fractions. Our money is written in decimals. It's just a matter of not comparing imperial with metric. If you do that you will never get it, in my opinion. It's kind of like learning code. If you constantly visualize each letter or number after you hear it, you will never get past five words a minute. You have to learn it by ear. Same with metrics. You have to forget about imperial and stop trying to convert one system to another. I work in an industry that has gone from imperial to metric and then back to imperial again. Each time it was because, of politicians. Metric is much better. Just my opinion. Gary, N7HTS On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:15:04 -0500 drewko wrote: > Nah, fractions are better than metric-- more rational. > > -- > 73, > Drew > AF2Z > > > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:24:44 -0800 (PST), Mike, UK. wrote: > >> >>Failing Eric or Wayne running for president and changing this, and with >>Elecraft now becoming a major international force, would it not be better to >>use metric for new Elecraft designs? >> >>Mike, UK. > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
Hi, Mike: Be careful what you pray for. Once, after he had done something particularly cool, I suggested to Wayne that he run for President. He said that the first thing he would do as President would be to double the price of fuel and thereby end global warming. I withdrew my suggestion for fear that someone in the U.S. found out that I was implicated. 73, Gary, VE1RGB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of AD6XY Sent: December 4, 2009 4:25 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement. All this is very interesting. It certainly demonstrates the need for the continual product testing Elecraft undertake. Sending spares to remote regions with poor postal services, e.g. the UK is an expensive and slow business. The problem with the wrench - or hex key is a real one. It also applies to all the nuts and bolts used in the K3. For unknown reasons of patriotism the USA is non-metric so these are all in imperial sizes. Getting these outside of the USA is getting harder and harder. Failing Eric or Wayne running for president and changing this, and with Elecraft now becoming a major international force, would it not be better to use metric for new Elecraft designs? Mike, UK. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Broken-AF-knob-and-bad-service-to-get-an-replacement -tp4105121p458.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
Metric hardware in the US is slooowly becoming available, but it will take at least another two generations IMHO. The automotive industry is now almost fully converted to metric parts, but small machine screws are lagging way behind. In the meantime, we here in the US have to keep two sets of tools, and yes for international trade, must send along a tool for things like knob setscrews. There have been several efforts to switch to metric over my lifetime, but the machine tool industry has always resisted because re-tooling is expensive. I believe our math education system is partly to blame too. Children are taught fractions earlier than decimals, and by the time they get to decimal math the inch/foot/yard units of measure have already been used extensively as a tool for teaching fractions, so thinking gets stuck in fractional units and there is no mental concept of meters/cm/mm. I am watching my grandchildren struggle with the concept of measurements in an easy decimal based system, but they know fractional measurement. But I digress... 73, Don W3FPR AD6XY wrote: > The problem with the wrench - or hex key is a real one. It also applies to > all the nuts and bolts used in the K3. For unknown reasons of patriotism the > USA is non-metric so these are all in imperial sizes. Getting these outside > of the USA is getting harder and harder. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
Nah, fractions are better than metric-- more rational. -- 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:24:44 -0800 (PST), Mike, UK. wrote: > >Failing Eric or Wayne running for president and changing this, and with >Elecraft now becoming a major international force, would it not be better to >use metric for new Elecraft designs? > >Mike, UK. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
All this is very interesting. It certainly demonstrates the need for the continual product testing Elecraft undertake. Sending spares to remote regions with poor postal services, e.g. the UK is an expensive and slow business. The problem with the wrench - or hex key is a real one. It also applies to all the nuts and bolts used in the K3. For unknown reasons of patriotism the USA is non-metric so these are all in imperial sizes. Getting these outside of the USA is getting harder and harder. Failing Eric or Wayne running for president and changing this, and with Elecraft now becoming a major international force, would it not be better to use metric for new Elecraft designs? Mike, UK. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-Broken-AF-knob-and-bad-service-to-get-an-replacement-tp4105121p458.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
I think I remember a post not too long ago from the guys at Elecraft that the composition of the material the knobs are made of had been changed. My rig is SN3539, and so far, no exploding knobs. I'm positive they'll take care of you. 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Broken AF knob and bad service to get a replacement.
Tord: Sorry for your difficulties. I'm sure Elecraft will contact you and make things right. I have a factory assembled K3 from Dec 2008 and both allen wrenches were included in a small envelope. 73, Mike K2MK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
