Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Yes! It's a "computer". Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Oct 13, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power > switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), > within the radio? > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > http://www.nk7z.net > >> On 10/13/2017 11:52 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the radio >> on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal workings to >> store the data. If you use a "master station switch" thus just dump the >> power supply then the radio may not store the data as required. I recall >> the term "power down imminent" or PDI. >> Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station down. >> Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in sequence is more >> and more of a must do. >> In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU timing >> circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading the operating >> code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may cause a partial load and >> related error. This circuit is basically a simple RC network, and with age >> the C value decreases thus making the timing circuit run too fast. i.e. >> not enough delay. >> 73 >> Bob, K4TAX >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n...@widomaker.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
I suspect that “bad things” can happen if the power drops DURING the process of saving. Then you might get partial or invalid information stored. This could be why most of the time it is harmless. Vic 4X6GP > On 14 Oct 2017, at 10:12, Clay Autery wrote: > > Just like any other computer with volatile memory IF you don't tell the > computer you are shutting down, it doesn't know and therefore doesn't have > time to save the information to NON-volatile memory. > > __ > Clay Autery, KY5G > MONTAC Enterprises > (318) 518-1389 > >> On 10/13/2017 3:00 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the >> Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings >> issue), within the radio? >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> http://www.nk7z.net >> >>> On 10/13/2017 11:52 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>> I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the radio >>> on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal workings to >>> store the data. If you use a "master station switch" thus just dump the >>> power supply then the radio may not store the data as required. I recall >>> the term "power down imminent" or PDI. >>> >>> Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station down. >>> Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in sequence is more >>> and more of a must do. >>> >>> In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU timing >>> circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading the operating >>> code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may cause a partial load >>> and related error. This circuit is basically a simple RC network, and with >>> age the C value decreases thus making the timing circuit run too fast. i.e. >>> not enough delay. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Bob, K4TAX >> > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Just like any other computer with volatile memory IF you don't tell the computer you are shutting down, it doesn't know and therefore doesn't have time to save the information to NON-volatile memory. __ Clay Autery, KY5G MONTAC Enterprises (318) 518-1389 On 10/13/2017 3:00 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 11:52 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the radio on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal workings to store the data. If you use a "master station switch" thus just dump the power supply then the radio may not store the data as required. I recall the term "power down imminent" or PDI. Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station down. Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in sequence is more and more of a must do. In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU timing circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading the operating code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may cause a partial load and related error. This circuit is basically a simple RC network, and with age the C value decreases thus making the timing circuit run too fast. i.e. not enough delay. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Dave, If you have *not* been "pulling the plug" to shut down the K3, then it may be that it needs a trip back to Watsonville to rezap the bootloader. But OTOH if you have been turning the power supply off first and not using the K3 power button first, try 'doing it properly' over the weekend and contact supp...@elecraft.com Monday. Removing the power from the K3 will not normally do any damage (but it can). In most cases, the thing that happens is that it does not restore the band/frequency/mode, etc. that you were last using - or if you made menu setting changes, those will not be remembered. Although it *can* scramble the bootloader, it seldom does - except if you are unlucky. Yes, it is similar to a PC in that regard. 73, Don W3FPR On 10/13/2017 4:42 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: I understand why, I was just not aware the K3 needed to be actually shut down explicitly. I tend to never pull power from anything running anyway, (too many years doing PC, and dedicated hardware support in broadcast), but I was totally unaware the K3 needed a shutdown sequence... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
I understand why, I was just not aware the K3 needed to be actually shut down explicitly. I tend to never pull power from anything running anyway, (too many years doing PC, and dedicated hardware support in broadcast), but I was totally unaware the K3 needed a shutdown sequence... In fact my shack desk has a dedicated 12 V power setup, which lives on the back of the desk, so I can't get to the switch without reaching behind the desk... What a surprise! I guess I need to re-read the manuals! I missed that in both manuals! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 01:35 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: Yes Dave, it is true. These days with most radios using some sort of microprocessor you should turn all brands off, not just Elecraft, using the power switch on the radio, not the switch on the power supply. This allows the processor inside the radio to save parameters etc. to memory and go through an orderly shutdown before it actually shuts power off to the radio. If you shut off the radio by turning it off using the power switch on the power supply the processor does not go through its orderly shutdown and you can scramble the processors brain. When you turn it on again you don't know what state it will power up in. If it powers up correctly, you were lucky. Shut the radio off using its front panel switch first, then shut the power supply off. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 11:52 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the radio on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal workings to store the data. If you use a "master station switch" thus just dump the power supply then the radio may not store the data as required. I recall the term "power down imminent" or PDI. Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station down. Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in sequence is more and more of a must do. In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU timing circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading the operating code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may cause a partial load and related error. This circuit is basically a simple RC network, and with age the C value decreases thus making the timing circuit run too fast. i.e. not enough delay. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmus...@sbcglobal.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Yes Dave, it is true. These days with most radios using some sort of microprocessor you should turn all brands off, not just Elecraft, using the power switch on the radio, not the switch on the power supply. This allows the processor inside the radio to save parameters etc. to memory and go through an orderly shutdown before it actually shuts power off to the radio. If you shut off the radio by turning it off using the power switch on the power supply the processor does not go through its orderly shutdown and you can scramble the processors brain. When you turn it on again you don't know what state it will power up in. If it powers up correctly, you were lucky. Shut the radio off using its front panel switch first, then shut the power supply off. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 8:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 11:52 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the > radio on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal > workings to store the data. If you use a "master station switch" > thus just dump the power supply then the radio may not store the data > as required. I recall the term "power down imminent" or PDI. > > Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station > down. Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in > sequence is more and more of a must do. > > In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU > timing circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading > the operating code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may > cause a partial load and related error. This circuit is basically a > simple RC network, and with age the C value decreases thus making the > timing circuit run too fast. i.e. not enough delay. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmus...@sbcglobal.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
I had no clue that was happening! Thanks for the info! 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 01:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: From the Fred Cady manual, page 33, Chapter 3 "Elecraft recommends that you DO NOT turn your K3s off by turning off the external power supply. Using the POWER switch allows the K3s to store variables such as the current VFO frequencies in EEPROM before shutting down. This might not happen if you turn the power off at the power supply. You can turn the power supply off after the K3s shuts down". 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/13/2017 3:22 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Yes! Like most equipment these days, the K3 needs to do an orderly shutdown under control of its processor to turn off safely and reliably. Like your P.C. you can pull power unexpectedly and it will often recover okay when power is reapplied, but you can also get corrupted data that forces a firmware reload - perhaps even using the forced MCU load procedure in the Owner's manual - as well as discovering that it turns on in an unexpected state or that it has "forgotten" certain parameters you set when it was last used. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Wow, thanks for the info! I must have missed that in the manual... I use the power switch, but I had no idea there was a power down sequence for the radio. Is it an actual power down sequence, like in triggers shutdown code to run, or just some timing that has to happen in the right order? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 01:22 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Yes! Like most equipment these days, the K3 needs to do an orderly shutdown under control of its processor to turn off safely and reliably. Like your P.C. you can pull power unexpectedly and it will often recover okay when power is reapplied, but you can also get corrupted data that forces a firmware reload - perhaps even using the forced MCU load procedure in the Owner's manual - as well as discovering that it turns on in an unexpected state or that it has "forgotten" certain parameters you set when it was last used. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
From the Fred Cady manual, page 33, Chapter 3 "Elecraft recommends that you DO NOT turn your K3s off by turning off the external power supply. Using the POWER switch allows the K3s to store variables such as the current VFO frequencies in EEPROM before shutting down. This might not happen if you turn the power off at the power supply. You can turn the power supply off after the K3s shuts down". 73 Bob, K4TAX On 10/13/2017 3:22 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Yes! Like most equipment these days, the K3 needs to do an orderly shutdown under control of its processor to turn off safely and reliably. Like your P.C. you can pull power unexpectedly and it will often recover okay when power is reapplied, but you can also get corrupted data that forces a firmware reload - perhaps even using the forced MCU load procedure in the Owner's manual - as well as discovering that it turns on in an unexpected state or that it has "forgotten" certain parameters you set when it was last used. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rmcg...@blomand.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Yes! Like most equipment these days, the K3 needs to do an orderly shutdown under control of its processor to turn off safely and reliably. Like your P.C. you can pull power unexpectedly and it will often recover okay when power is reapplied, but you can also get corrupted data that forces a firmware reload - perhaps even using the forced MCU load procedure in the Owner's manual - as well as discovering that it turns on in an unexpected state or that it has "forgotten" certain parameters you set when it was last used. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 1:00 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Respectfully, is that really true? The K3 needs to be shutdown via the Power switch due to some sort of shutdown procedure, (or internal timings issue), within the radio? 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net On 10/13/2017 11:52 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the radio on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal workings to store the data. If you use a "master station switch" thus just dump the power supply then the radio may not store the data as required. I recall the term "power down imminent" or PDI. Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station down. Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in sequence is more and more of a must do. In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU timing circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading the operating code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may cause a partial load and related error. This circuit is basically a simple RC network, and with age the C value decreases thus making the timing circuit run too fast. i.e. not enough delay. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
I would also comment with Knut, AB2TC, that one must always turn the radio on and off with the power switch. This allows the internal workings to store the data. If you use a "master station switch" thus just dump the power supply then the radio may not store the data as required. I recall the term "power down imminent" or PDI. Years ago we had "the big switch" which was used to shut the station down. Today with all of the computerized gadgets, power down in sequence is more and more of a must do. In another brand of radio to which I am familiar, there is a CPU timing circuit that assures the CPU is up and running before loading the operating code. If this circuit is running too fast, it may cause a partial load and related error. This circuit is basically a simple RC network, and with age the C value decreases thus making the timing circuit run too fast. i.e. not enough delay. 73 Bob, K4TAX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Hi Fred, I see no-one has responded to you so I will chime in with what I know. A few more details about what you actually see and hear when you press the power button would be helpful. What you should see and hear is an almost immediate relay click and most (all?) LEDs turn on. Fractions of of a second later the display backlight comes on, then fractions of s second later the display comes alive and you should hear audio. This machine boots up fast, thank you, engineers at Elecraft. If on the other hand, you see "CPU LD" (or something similar) in the display, the software has decided that something is wrong with the application software and decides to stay in the bootloader (modern firmware always wakes up up in the bootloader and decides where to go from there). That would explain why your only recovery is to reload the firmware. I am starting to guess now and it's not always a good idea. One explanation is that there is actually something wrong with the application firmware (corrupted to some degree). But this seems improbable since you can consistently recover by reloading it. I assume you are turning the radio off by using the power button. Another possible explanation is that the CPU starts executing before the hardware has come up completely and thus erroneously concludes that the application firmware is corrupted. I realize that none of these ramblings is a direct help to you to recover from your situation but I am hoping it may trigger others to have an AHA experience. BTW, the battery is not essential to the K3 operation. It just powers the RTC which is not very good anyway. I have plenty of better ways to tell the time of day. AB2TC - Knut Fred-2 wrote > Hi all, > > I'm a very new user to the K3. I just recently update the Synthesizer > board and added the KXV3B and the K144XV options to my K3. I made all the > updates in Config to make this work. Everything works fine. > > The problem I am having is when the radio sits over night and and turn it > on, it doesn't receive or transmit at all. The only way I can get it to > work is to start the K3 Utility and download and reinstall all firmware. > Once that is done, everything is working fine until I turn it off at night > and turn it on the next day. > > I noticed there is a battery on the main board. Does it sound like it is > dead and needs to be replaced? > > I have not had a chance to check this. > > Thanks for your help! Please let me know if you have any questions. > > -- > Thanks, > > Fred > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 after turning on doesn't receive or transmit
Hi Fred, I see no-one has responded to you so I will chime in with what I know. A few more details about what you actually see and hear when you press the power button would be helpful. What you should see and hear is an almost immediate relay click and most (all?) LEDs turn on. Fractions of of a second later the display backlight comes on, then fractions of s second later the display comes alive and you should hear audio. This machine boots up fast, thank you, engineers at Elecraft. If on the other hand, you see "CPU LD" (or something similar) in the display, the software has decided that something is wrong with the application software and decides to stay in the bootloader (modern firmware always wakes up up in the bootloader and decides where to go from there). That would explain why your only recovery is to reload the firmware. I am starting to guess now and it's not always a good idea. One explanation is that there is actually something wrong with the application firmware (corrupted to some degree). But this seems improbable since you can consistently recover by reloading it. I assume you are turning the radio off by using the power button. Another possible explanation is that the CPU starts executing before the hardware has come up completely and thus erroneously concludes that the application firmware is corrupted. I realize that none of these ramblings is a direct help to you to recover from your situation but I am hoping it may trigger others to have an AHA experience. BTW, the battery is not essential to the K3 operation. It just powers the RTC which is not very good anyway. I have plenty of better ways to tell the time of day. AB2TC - Knut Fred-2 wrote > Hi all, > > I'm a very new user to the K3. I just recently update the Synthesizer > board and added the KXV3B and the K144XV options to my K3. I made all the > updates in Config to make this work. Everything works fine. > > The problem I am having is when the radio sits over night and and turn it > on, it doesn't receive or transmit at all. The only way I can get it to > work is to start the K3 Utility and download and reinstall all firmware. > Once that is done, everything is working fine until I turn it off at night > and turn it on the next day. > > I noticed there is a battery on the main board. Does it sound like it is > dead and needs to be replaced? > > I have not had a chance to check this. > > Thanks for your help! Please let me know if you have any questions. > > -- > Thanks, > > Fred > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
