Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
LP-Bridge allows simultaneous polling (GET) commands from 5 applications at the same time with no limitations. The only possible issue is multiple SET commands at the same time, which is an unlikely occurrence. The traffic to/from the K3 is almost constant, regardless of the number of applications requesting data. 73, Larry N8LP > Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 12:24:57 -0500 > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed > To: , "'Monty Shultes'" > Cc: "'elecraft@mailman.qth.net'" > Message-ID: <5d24e970c6ee496ab7e84818cd38d...@laptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Unless you are using LP-Pan for its panadapter functions, LP-Bridge > is probably overkill. The free Enterlogic VSPE port splitter will > create multiple virtual ports that share a single "real" port (USB > or motherboard) and allow multiple applications to access the K3 > simultaneously. > > Note, with multiple applications there are limitations ... the total > polling load can not exceed the processing capability of the K3 > controller. In addition, each application must be able to ignore > responses to the other applications ... that is each application > may process the data (e.g., the IF; data) but unexpected data should > not be capable of confusing any application. > > The most significant problem with multiple software access is the > case of multiple command strings. It is nearly impossible to make > multiple command strings work in a shared access environment due > to the probability that a poll from one application will occur in > the middle of a command string from another application. > > 73, > >... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
Hi Barry, I'm working on an app similar to what you describe. It will be similar to K3-EZ, but instead of having all of the various options in a tab panel in one window, there will be a number of 'mini' apps that can each be displayed in it's own window. This will allow the user to pick which app they want displayed at any one time. I currently have a band stack, RX and TX Equalizer editor, and Memory editor working. Next on the list is a window with various configuatio --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Barry N1EU wrote: > From: Barry N1EU > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed > To: "elecraft" > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 9:59 AM > This problem has already been > addressed by N8LP and that's why I > specifically mentioned LP-Bridge in my original post. > The > availability of LP-Bridge is precisely what opens up the > possibility > (and power) of using a simple display application like I > described to > address the K3's limited display info. > > 73, > Barry N1EU > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike > wrote: > > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port > with another > > application. > > > Barry N1EU wrote: > >> I envision using such an application in > conjunction with LP-Bridge > >> along with other software such as logging > software, panadapter, etc. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
Unless you are using LP-Pan for its panadapter functions, LP-Bridge is probably overkill. The free Enterlogic VSPE port splitter will create multiple virtual ports that share a single "real" port (USB or motherboard) and allow multiple applications to access the K3 simultaneously. Note, with multiple applications there are limitations ... the total polling load can not exceed the processing capability of the K3 controller. In addition, each application must be able to ignore responses to the other applications ... that is each application may process the data (e.g., the IF; data) but unexpected data should not be capable of confusing any application. The most significant problem with multiple software access is the case of multiple command strings. It is nearly impossible to make multiple command strings work in a shared access environment due to the probability that a poll from one application will occur in the middle of a command string from another application. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:44 AM > To: Monty Shultes > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed > > > I'll go look at LP-Bridge. Thanks for the tip. > > Mike > > Monty Shultes wrote: > > If you want to share the K3's serial port, LP-BRIDGE does a great > > job. I use Kcomm, PowerSDR-IF, EasyPal, Digipan at the > same time (if > > a needed sound card is available - I have 2 so far). > > If you need more serial ports on your PC, I've found that > PCI Express > > cards are a good - though expensive - solution for current desktops. > > > > Monty > > K2DLJ > > > >> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another > >> application. > >> > >> 73, Mike NF4L > >> > > > > > > > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
> Which is a very good reason for supporting the K3 as a > network addressable device. Network addressability is only a small part of the equation. The K3 controller would need to be reworked to support multiple simultaneous access to prevent a poll/command string from one application from interrupting a multiple command string from another controller. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:48 AM > To: n...@nf4l.com > Cc: elecraft; Barry N1EU > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed > > > > On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Mike wrote: > > > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another > > application. > > > Which is a very good reason for supporting the K3 as a > network addressable > device. Each K3 should have its own IP address. > > > > > > > > > 73, Mike NF4L > > > > Barry N1EU wrote: > >> There are some very useful little applications being developed out > >> there by the K3 user community. I'd just like to plant a > seed for a > >> potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3. > >> How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of > >> various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without > pushing one > >> or more buttons? The parameters that I'd really like to be able to > >> see with a quick glance: > >> > >> shift (numeric) > >> width (numeric) > >> power > >> compression > >> mic gain > >> sub preamp > >> sub antenna selection > >> sub shift > >> sub width > >> AF Limit > >> AGC hold > >> AGC DCY > >> AGC SLP > >> AGC THR > >> > >> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge > >> along with other software such as logging software, > panadapter, etc. > >> Again, this would be a display-only application, using up > as little pc > >> monitor space as possible. > >> > >> 73, > >> Barry N1EU > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> > >> > > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
I'll go look at LP-Bridge. Thanks for the tip. Mike Monty Shultes wrote: > If you want to share the K3's serial port, LP-BRIDGE does a great > job. I use Kcomm, PowerSDR-IF, EasyPal, Digipan at the same time (if > a needed sound card is available - I have 2 so far). > If you need more serial ports on your PC, I've found that PCI Express > cards are a good - though expensive - solution for current desktops. > > Monty > K2DLJ > >> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another >> application. >> >> 73, Mike NF4L >> > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
Hi Barry, I'm working on an app similar to what you describe. It will be similar to K3-EZ, but instead of having all of the various options in a tab panel in one window, there will be a number of 'mini' apps that can each be displayed in it's own window. This will allow the user to pick which app they want displayed at any one time. I currently have a band stack, RX and TX Equalizer editor, and Memory editor working. Next on the list is a window with various configuation options like you described. I'm using an SQL database which will allow a virtually unlimited number of band stack registers by band/mode, memories, EQ settings, etc. I still have lots of work to do, but hopefully I'll have something usable in a few weeks. It will be available for Mac, Windows, and maybe Linux. Not sure how well it will play with LP-Bridge at this point. David, W4SMT > > Barry N1EU wrote: > >> I envision using such an application in > conjunction with LP-Bridge > >> along with other software such as logging > software, panadapter, etc. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
Exactly...and it works GREAT for this exact purpose. Other than the K3 Utility which is a necessity, I think LPB is the single most useful piece of software out there that supports the K3. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Thu Dec 10 6:59 , Barry N1EU sent: >This problem has already been addressed by N8LP and that's why I >specifically mentioned LP-Bridge in my original post. The >availability of LP-Bridge is precisely what opens up the possibility >(and power) of using a simple display application like I described to >address the K3's limited display info. > >73, >Barry N1EU > >On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike n...@nf4l.com> wrote: >> The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another >> application. > >> Barry N1EU wrote: >>> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge >>> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc. >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net','','','')">Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
This problem has already been addressed by N8LP and that's why I specifically mentioned LP-Bridge in my original post. The availability of LP-Bridge is precisely what opens up the possibility (and power) of using a simple display application like I described to address the K3's limited display info. 73, Barry N1EU On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Mike wrote: > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another > application. > Barry N1EU wrote: >> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge >> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
If you want to share the K3's serial port, LP-BRIDGE does a great job. I use Kcomm, PowerSDR-IF, EasyPal, Digipan at the same time (if a needed sound card is available - I have 2 so far). If you need more serial ports on your PC, I've found that PCI Express cards are a good - though expensive - solution for current desktops. Monty K2DLJ > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another > application. > > 73, Mike NF4L > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Mike wrote: > The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another > application. Which is a very good reason for supporting the K3 as a network addressable device. Each K3 should have its own IP address. > > 73, Mike NF4L > > Barry N1EU wrote: >> There are some very useful little applications being developed out >> there by the K3 user community. I'd just like to plant a seed for a >> potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3. >> How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of >> various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without pushing one >> or more buttons? The parameters that I'd really like to be able to >> see with a quick glance: >> >> shift (numeric) >> width (numeric) >> power >> compression >> mic gain >> sub preamp >> sub antenna selection >> sub shift >> sub width >> AF Limit >> AGC hold >> AGC DCY >> AGC SLP >> AGC THR >> >> I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge >> along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc. >> Again, this would be a display-only application, using up as little pc >> monitor space as possible. >> >> 73, >> Barry N1EU >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 software utility needed
The problem on a Windows box is sharing the comm port with another application. 73, Mike NF4L Barry N1EU wrote: > There are some very useful little applications being developed out > there by the K3 user community. I'd just like to plant a seed for a > potential new application to augment the limited display of the K3. > How about a simple application that would be a full-time display of > various K3 settings that aren't normally visible without pushing one > or more buttons? The parameters that I'd really like to be able to > see with a quick glance: > > shift (numeric) > width (numeric) > power > compression > mic gain > sub preamp > sub antenna selection > sub shift > sub width > AF Limit > AGC hold > AGC DCY > AGC SLP > AGC THR > > I envision using such an application in conjunction with LP-Bridge > along with other software such as logging software, panadapter, etc. > Again, this would be a display-only application, using up as little pc > monitor space as possible. > > 73, > Barry N1EU > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
