Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
This is why Elecraft needs to get serious about having IPv6 support in the K4. Because of stateless auto config, a minimal support would just be to enable stateless auto config on the network interface and provide the ipv6 address on the menu as readonly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
I was behind a *double* NAT until I got a static IP but in the meantime I setup a reverse SSH tunnel It's been several years since that but it's a real pain to setup and keep connected. Finding a host provider that would permit a reverse tunnel is a challenge, few will do this. John WB5THT On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:57:57 +0100 From: Magnus Danielson To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed This issue is real. A problem is also there is quite many port forward configurations to setup as one setup a station. There is methods to punch through NATs, and I hope one have chosen to use an approach that does this. One is to operate over a VPN that have these abilities. Another is to use a standard tunnel usinging say TLS that also include the punch-through capabilities. Also, IPv6 is starting to replace the IPv4 NAT/CG-NAT hell. It's been a long coming for sure, but there is plenty of signs it is happening. While initial release may be IPv4 limited, IPv6 should be high up on the list of thigns to fix if it is not already handled. This should not be relevant only for the K4, but any device. When wearing another set of hats, I work on these issues. 73 Magnus SA0MAD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
As (other) Rick says, port forwarding varies between routers; but the two key points to research for your router are: 1) Assign (reserve) the K4 MAC(s) to specific IP addresses, so the K4(s) is/are ALWAYS at the same LAN IP address (reboot the K4). 2) Port forward 9204 to the K4 (only one can be shared with the outside, if more than one K4 on the LAN) IP address. You may want to make sure that a password is made within the K4 (instead of anyone) so you have some access control. If you have (like me) Starlink or other CGNAT using ISP, then it gets more complicated and probably isn't a topic to be discussed on this list. Across my Starlink LAN (I have two LAN), it's working beautifully and should be available 'real soon now' for public beta... have some patience yet while the field test team runs it through it's paces and some spit and polish are applied. 73, Rick nk7i On 12/15/2023 10:25 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Simplicity is the keynote to K4 Remote. If you have an external IP address, you only have to fill in a few fields to get going. You do have to set up a "port forward" rule in your router in order to make YOUR K4 accessible to remote control ops. All the routers have different web pages to do this but they're pretty simple to navigate. Mostly. ;-) If all you want to do is control remote K4's, you only have to type in their address and, if established, password. It really couldn't be easier. /Rick N6XI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Simplicity is the keynote to K4 Remote. If you have an external IP address, you only have to fill in a few fields to get going. You do have to set up a "port forward" rule in your router in order to make YOUR K4 accessible to remote control ops. All the routers have different web pages to do this but they're pretty simple to navigate. Mostly. ;-) If all you want to do is control remote K4's, you only have to type in their address and, if established, password. It really couldn't be easier. /Rick N6XI On 12/15/23 10:08 AM, Lou Laderman wrote: I’m not particularly networking savvy, in fact I’m at the opposite end of networking familiarity. I’ve contacted Wayne a few times to ask that the K4 remote solution (whether K4/K4-0 or VK4 software) follow the KISS principle and make connectivity simple enough for someone like me. I’m hoping I won’t have to try to figure out tunneling, setting up a VPN or any of the other alphabet soup solutions that quickly turn into blah blah blah for me. 73, Lou W0FK Lou Laderman Sent from my mobile device On Dec 15, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming. I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY wrote: Rick: The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO have addressable IP addresses. 73, Adrian On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested K4 Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it works fine. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they support the K3.https://www.remotetx.net/ 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered torta...@gmail.com -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tokj7...@gmail.com -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tollader...@icloud.com -- Rick Tavan, Saratoga & Truckee, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
I’m not particularly networking savvy, in fact I’m at the opposite end of networking familiarity. I’ve contacted Wayne a few times to ask that the K4 remote solution (whether K4/K4-0 or VK4 software) follow the KISS principle and make connectivity simple enough for someone like me. I’m hoping I won’t have to try to figure out tunneling, setting up a VPN or any of the other alphabet soup solutions that quickly turn into blah blah blah for me. 73, Lou W0FK Lou Laderman Sent from my mobile device On Dec 15, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming. I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY wrote: > Rick: > > The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s > CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you > an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name > because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is > a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from > getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. > > The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service > like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO > have addressable IP addresses. > > 73, Adrian > > >> On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: >> >> Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, >> external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses >> frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested > K4 >> Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it > works >> fine. >> >> /Rick N6XI >> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: >>> >>> Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. >>> >>> One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) > ISPs no >>> longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The >>> system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address >>> translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to > home >>> broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT >>> >>> A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't > usually >>> free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they >>> support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ >>> >>> 73 Dave G4AON >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Rick Tavan >> Truckee and Saratoga, CA >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com > -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to llader...@icloud.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
* On 2023 15 Dec 11:47 -0600, KJ7SOY wrote: > Rick: > > The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. > It’s CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t > give you an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a > DDNS name because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many > carriers (T-Mobile is a perfect example) are now using this approach, > which blocks customers from getting to their devices/services from > outside their home networks. > > The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free > service like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external > servers which DO have addressable IP addresses. I faced such a dilemma some years back when it looked as though we would need to rely on a cellular router for an ISP. Fortunately, that didn't become a permanent solution. My solution was setting up an AWS instance to which I set up a reverse SSH tunnel from home and then I could SSH to it from elsewhere and connect to the reverse tunnel. Conceptually it's somewhat like a VPN only it had some manual steps in place. I now have a similar setup from a Raspberry Pi running AllStar at a repeater site that connects to a local system and sets up an SSH reverse tunnel end point. I did try to set up a Wire Guard VPN a few years back but had no luck Perhaps I need to revisit that idea since things have had a few years to mature, including me! 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming. I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY wrote: > Rick: > > The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s > CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you > an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name > because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is > a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from > getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. > > The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service > like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO > have addressable IP addresses. > > 73, Adrian > > > > On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > > > Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, > > external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses > > frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested > K4 > > Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it > works > > fine. > > > > /Rick N6XI > > > >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: > >> > >> Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. > >> > >> One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) > ISPs no > >> longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The > >> system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address > >> translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to > home > >> broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT > >> > >> A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't > usually > >> free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they > >> support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ > >> > >> 73 Dave G4AON > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Rick Tavan > > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com > -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Rick: The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO have addressable IP addresses. 73, Adrian > On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, > external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses > frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested K4 > Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it works > fine. > > /Rick N6XI > >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: >> >> Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. >> >> One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no >> longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The >> system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address >> translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home >> broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT >> >> A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually >> free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they >> support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ >> >> 73 Dave G4AON >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested K4 Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it works fine. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: > Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. > > One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no > longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The > system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address > translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home > broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT > > A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually > free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they > support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ > > 73 Dave G4AON > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com > -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
This issue is real. A problem is also there is quite many port forward configurations to setup as one setup a station. There is methods to punch through NATs, and I hope one have chosen to use an approach that does this. One is to operate over a VPN that have these abilities. Another is to use a standard tunnel usinging say TLS that also include the punch-through capabilities. Also, IPv6 is starting to replace the IPv4 NAT/CG-NAT hell. It's been a long coming for sure, but there is plenty of signs it is happening. While initial release may be IPv4 limited, IPv6 should be high up on the list of thigns to fix if it is not already handled. This should not be relevant only for the K4, but any device. When wearing another set of hats, I work on these issues. 73 Magnus SA0MAD On 2023-12-15 10:42, Dave wrote: Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mag...@rubidium.se __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
That makes sense. Dave AB7E On 12/14/2023 11:23 AM, Mark Musick wrote: Dave, That is not what that configuration is about. What this is for is for those remote stations that have a K4 and have many remote operators. We have a local remote station here in Indy that has a K4 and several of the Remote operators have K4s. Now they can operate remotely from home as if they were at the remote site. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.netOn Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 17:44 To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes! I thought that what people really wanted was the promised app that would let users remotely control the K4 from their desktop or other device. Buying two K4s seems like a very financially inefficient way to go. Bidirectionality doesn't sound like a practical plus. Dave AB7E On 12/14/2023 9:19 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Many ops have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of K4 Remote. Although it's not yet available for general release, several field testers have been exercising it. (K4-to-K4, not K4/0 or PC-based VK4 although those are in progress inside Elecraft.) I've made over a thousand remote contacts with it, mainly CW contesting but also DXing, ragchews, SSB and FT8, and can say this: *THE HARD STUFF IS DONE!* I have K4 radios at a mountain QTH and a valley QTH and either one can connect to and use the other. It feels almost like local, better than K3 Remote with microBit RRCs. Some features and "corner cases" remain and Elecraft programmers are hard at work on them. Some highlights: - Cabling changes required: *ZERO* - leave both stations in their local configuration. You do need a way to turn on a remote K4. I'm using N6TV "K-ON" dongles and remote power switches. I think you can also do it from a connected KPA1500 and KPA1500 Remote. No need to leave anything powered on when not in use. - It's *dead simple* to connect - just specify an IP address on the client (control) K4 and set up one port forward on the LAN router at the server (remote radio) site. Passwords will prevent unwanted intrusion. (Compare to over 100 parameters that have to be set up between pairs of RRCs - and they only work one-way!) - Connection takes about a second. - It's bi-directional - any K4 anywhere can control any other K4 anywhere. No hardware asymmetry. - CW sidetone and Voice monitor are local, so unaffected by latency. - Use the keyer inside the client K4 or an external keyer. - Plays nicely with loggers like N1MM. They see the local K4 and don't realize it's controlling a remote radio. - You can update the firmware in both radios from the K4 at either site. - ... and more I've been an avid remote op for a decade now and this is better than I expected, like K4 itself well worth the wait. Hang in there, folks, it's really coming. Really. 73, /Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://m/ ailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft=05%7C02%7C%7C6568d b7dfa6f400d624708dbfccc8209%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0 %7C638381727519770354%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQ IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=zcqh% 2FHbdtuXzWqIjXgHrw5JosaG0L%2FoABp30Zd7VtGw%3D=0 Help:http://m/ ailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm=05%7C02%7C%7C6568db7dfa6f400d624708dbf ccc8209%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63838172751992657 6%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6 Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=mb3yoMCfCfMlXbpPX14UCIAtv utcrz7UZh3Yv%2BRADOU%3D=0 Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www/ .qsl.net%2F=05%7C02%7C%7C6568db7dfa6f400d624708dbfccc8209%7C84df9 e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638381727519926576%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI 6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=SVHoy2LmDqEOokCFN2We%2BgjQIoS%2BQ35yeEvR qcK0QGA%3D=0 Please help support this email list:http://w/ ww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html=05%7C02%7C%7C6568db7dfa6f400d624708dbfcc c8209%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638381727519926576% 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=DTGvxCPM%2FJhwwShc46ID364B4 L8XWp45w0ZRz83BVSQ%3D=0 Message deliveredtoab7e...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tomarkmus...@outlook.com __ E
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Dave, That is not what that configuration is about. What this is for is for those remote stations that have a K4 and have many remote operators. We have a local remote station here in Indy that has a K4 and several of the Remote operators have K4s. Now they can operate remotely from home as if they were at the remote site. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 17:44 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes! I thought that what people really wanted was the promised app that would let users remotely control the K4 from their desktop or other device. Buying two K4s seems like a very financially inefficient way to go. Bidirectionality doesn't sound like a practical plus. Dave AB7E On 12/14/2023 9:19 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > Many ops have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of K4 Remote. > Although it's not yet available for general release, several field > testers have been exercising it. (K4-to-K4, not K4/0 or PC-based VK4 > although those are in progress inside Elecraft.) I've made over a > thousand remote contacts with it, mainly CW contesting but also DXing, > ragchews, SSB and FT8, and can say > this: > > *THE HARD STUFF IS DONE!* > > > I have K4 radios at a mountain QTH and a valley QTH and either one can > connect to and use the other. It feels almost like local, better than > K3 Remote with microBit RRCs. Some features and "corner cases" remain > and Elecraft programmers are hard at work on them. > > Some highlights: > > - Cabling changes required: *ZERO* - leave both stations in their local > configuration. You do need a way to turn on a remote K4. I'm using N6TV > "K-ON" dongles and remote power switches. I think you can also do it from > a > connected KPA1500 and KPA1500 Remote. No need to leave anything powered on > when not in use. > - It's *dead simple* to connect - just specify an IP address on the > client (control) K4 and set up one port forward on the LAN router at the > server (remote radio) site. Passwords will prevent unwanted intrusion. > (Compare to over 100 parameters that have to be set up between pairs of > RRCs - and they only work one-way!) > - Connection takes about a second. > - It's bi-directional - any K4 anywhere can control any other K4 > anywhere. No hardware asymmetry. > - CW sidetone and Voice monitor are local, so unaffected by latency. > - Use the keyer inside the client K4 or an external keyer. > - Plays nicely with loggers like N1MM. They see the local K4 and don't > realize it's controlling a remote radio. > - You can update the firmware in both radios from the K4 at either site. > - ... and more > > I've been an avid remote op for a decade now and this is better than I > expected, like K4 itself well worth the wait. Hang in there, folks, > it's really coming. Really. > > 73, > > /Rick N6XI > > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:http://m/ > ailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft=05%7C02%7C%7C6568d > b7dfa6f400d624708dbfccc8209%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0 > %7C638381727519770354%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQ > IjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=zcqh% > 2FHbdtuXzWqIjXgHrw5JosaG0L%2FoABp30Zd7VtGw%3D=0 > Help:http://m/ > ailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm=05%7C02%7C%7C6568db7dfa6f400d624708dbf > ccc8209%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63838172751992657 > 6%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6 > Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=mb3yoMCfCfMlXbpPX14UCIAtv > utcrz7UZh3Yv%2BRADOU%3D=0 > Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted > by:http://www/ > .qsl.net%2F=05%7C02%7C%7C6568db7dfa6f400d624708dbfccc8209%7C84df9 > e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638381727519926576%7CUnknown%7CT > WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI > 6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=SVHoy2LmDqEOokCFN2We%2BgjQIoS%2BQ35yeEvR > qcK0QGA%3D=0 Please help support this email > list:http://w/ > ww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html=05%7C02%7C%7C6568db7dfa6f400d624708dbfcc > c8209%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638381727519926576% > 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik > 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=DTGvxCPM%2FJhwwShc46ID364B4 > L8XWp45w0ZRz83BVSQ%3D=0 Message delivered toab7e...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
I thought that what people really wanted was the promised app that would let users remotely control the K4 from their desktop or other device. Buying two K4s seems like a very financially inefficient way to go. Bidirectionality doesn't sound like a practical plus. Dave AB7E On 12/14/2023 9:19 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Many ops have been anxiously awaiting the arrival of K4 Remote. Although it's not yet available for general release, several field testers have been exercising it. (K4-to-K4, not K4/0 or PC-based VK4 although those are in progress inside Elecraft.) I've made over a thousand remote contacts with it, mainly CW contesting but also DXing, ragchews, SSB and FT8, and can say this: *THE HARD STUFF IS DONE!* I have K4 radios at a mountain QTH and a valley QTH and either one can connect to and use the other. It feels almost like local, better than K3 Remote with microBit RRCs. Some features and "corner cases" remain and Elecraft programmers are hard at work on them. Some highlights: - Cabling changes required: *ZERO* - leave both stations in their local configuration. You do need a way to turn on a remote K4. I'm using N6TV "K-ON" dongles and remote power switches. I think you can also do it from a connected KPA1500 and KPA1500 Remote. No need to leave anything powered on when not in use. - It's *dead simple* to connect - just specify an IP address on the client (control) K4 and set up one port forward on the LAN router at the server (remote radio) site. Passwords will prevent unwanted intrusion. (Compare to over 100 parameters that have to be set up between pairs of RRCs - and they only work one-way!) - Connection takes about a second. - It's bi-directional - any K4 anywhere can control any other K4 anywhere. No hardware asymmetry. - CW sidetone and Voice monitor are local, so unaffected by latency. - Use the keyer inside the client K4 or an external keyer. - Plays nicely with loggers like N1MM. They see the local K4 and don't realize it's controlling a remote radio. - You can update the firmware in both radios from the K4 at either site. - ... and more I've been an avid remote op for a decade now and this is better than I expected, like K4 itself well worth the wait. Hang in there, folks, it's really coming. Really. 73, /Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered toab7e...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
As a retired software QC engineer (UNIX OS and layered products), I'm curiousas to what kind of testing would be needed at a mountain QTH versus a valley QTH. :-) In all seriousness, congratulations - I can easily imagine that it's been a LOT of work,and I'm sure all of us are sincerely grateful: THANK YOU !! Very 73 for a healthy and happy holiday season, Brandy, N1HO (EL96xh, 1800 feet inland from the Atlantic...) On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:22:36 AM EST, Rick Tavan wrote: *THE HARD STUFF IS DONE!* I have K4 radios at a mountain QTH and a valley QTH and either one can connect to and use the other. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
