Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
Pete, I'm using a CM500 that is a year or so old. It replaced one that finally fell apart and I was tired of gluing it back together. When I replaced the headset, I did not need to make any adjustments! I went from a K3 to a K4 with the Yamaha headset plugged into the rear connectors. My Mic gain on the K4 is set at 12. TX rear mic configuration is Bias ON Preamp OFF. 73 George AI4VZ On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 9:32 AM Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > My CM-500 is about 4 years old, and shedding ear-pads, but it works fine > with my K3. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > > On 7/31/2023 6:52 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: > > I had never used my CM-500 on a K3 so I can't do that comparison. But > > on the K4 I had to turn on the internal mic preamp and set the mic > > gain all the way to maximum. That seemed to give about the correct > > level - I could talk at normal loudness to get 5 on the ALC. > > > > I also use the CM-500 on my laptop to record a radio show. I had to > > turn up the gain close to max on the computer as well. I think > > late-production CM-500s just tend to have low microphone sensitivity. > > > > Alan > > > > > > On 7/31/2023 1:40 AM, Oscar Staudt wrote: > >> When I got my K4D a month ago, I unplugged my Yamaha CM-500 mic and > >> headphones from my K3, and plugged them into the back of my K4. I set > >> the > >> mic input to rear, and mic bias on. I expected the mic to perform > >> like it had in the K3. > >> > >> > >> I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain > >> control. Even > >> with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak *very* loudly to just get a > >> flicker on the ALC meter. > >> > >> > >> I then went back into the mic configuration and turned on the preamp > >> (14dB). > >> After that I could get some ALC bars with the mic gain around 65 or > >> more. But > >> I still had to talk much louder than I had to with the same mic on > >> the K3. > >> (note: mic level on the K3 was set around 7). > >> > >> > >> Question: Is it reasonable to expect that I’d have to have the mic > >> gain at > >> such a high level - and still have to talk louder than my normal (K3) > >> level? > >> > >> > >> BTW, I can hook up the MH-4, switch to front mic, and all works > >> smooth with > >> mic gain around 12. > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to a...@elecraft.com > >> > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to pete.n...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gdanne...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
My CM-500 is about 4 years old, and shedding ear-pads, but it works fine with my K3. 73, Pete N4ZR On 7/31/2023 6:52 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: I had never used my CM-500 on a K3 so I can't do that comparison. But on the K4 I had to turn on the internal mic preamp and set the mic gain all the way to maximum. That seemed to give about the correct level - I could talk at normal loudness to get 5 on the ALC. I also use the CM-500 on my laptop to record a radio show. I had to turn up the gain close to max on the computer as well. I think late-production CM-500s just tend to have low microphone sensitivity. Alan On 7/31/2023 1:40 AM, Oscar Staudt wrote: When I got my K4D a month ago, I unplugged my Yamaha CM-500 mic and headphones from my K3, and plugged them into the back of my K4. I set the mic input to rear, and mic bias on. I expected the mic to perform like it had in the K3. I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain control. Even with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak *very* loudly to just get a flicker on the ALC meter. I then went back into the mic configuration and turned on the preamp (14dB). After that I could get some ALC bars with the mic gain around 65 or more. But I still had to talk much louder than I had to with the same mic on the K3. (note: mic level on the K3 was set around 7). Question: Is it reasonable to expect that I’d have to have the mic gain at such a high level - and still have to talk louder than my normal (K3) level? BTW, I can hook up the MH-4, switch to front mic, and all works smooth with mic gain around 12. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to a...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pete.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
I had never used my CM-500 on a K3 so I can't do that comparison. But on the K4 I had to turn on the internal mic preamp and set the mic gain all the way to maximum. That seemed to give about the correct level - I could talk at normal loudness to get 5 on the ALC. I also use the CM-500 on my laptop to record a radio show. I had to turn up the gain close to max on the computer as well. I think late-production CM-500s just tend to have low microphone sensitivity. Alan On 7/31/2023 1:40 AM, Oscar Staudt wrote: When I got my K4D a month ago, I unplugged my Yamaha CM-500 mic and headphones from my K3, and plugged them into the back of my K4. I set the mic input to rear, and mic bias on. I expected the mic to perform like it had in the K3. I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain control. Even with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak *very* loudly to just get a flicker on the ALC meter. I then went back into the mic configuration and turned on the preamp (14dB). After that I could get some ALC bars with the mic gain around 65 or more. But I still had to talk much louder than I had to with the same mic on the K3. (note: mic level on the K3 was set around 7). Question: Is it reasonable to expect that I’d have to have the mic gain at such a high level - and still have to talk louder than my normal (K3) level? BTW, I can hook up the MH-4, switch to front mic, and all works smooth with mic gain around 12. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to a...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
On 7/30/2023 4:40 PM, Oscar Staudt wrote: I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain control. Even with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak*very* loudly to just get a flicker on the ALC meter. Do the headphones work? Are you sure that the mic is plugged all the way into the jack? 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
Actually, I had (have) this very same problem and brought it up on here quite some time ago. CM-500, mic and phones plugged into proper jacks on rear, preamp on, bias on, mic gain at max, mic right at my lips, and I still have to talk very loudly to get any response out of the ALC meter. I got another CM-500 and swapped it in, and it was better…I didn’t have to talk as loud, but still way louder than I’d like or should have to. I never did puzzle out a solution for this. So if I need or want to get on SSB and can’t talk loud (say like if the XYL is trying to sleep in the next room), I put another mic on the front connector and have no problems getting plenty of response out of that, even if talking in a hushed voice. Oscar, if you find a solution to this, please be sure to post it on here…I’d like for this work…failing that I might try someday to find a different headset/mic combo... 73, Dave - N5DCH > On Jul 30, 2023, at 6:17 PM, Mike Dodd wrote: > > On 7/30/2023 7:40 PM, Oscar Staudt wrote: >> When I got my K4D a month ago, I unplugged my Yamaha CM-500 mic and >> headphones from my K3, and plugged them into the back of my K4. I set the >> mic input to rear, and mic bias on. I expected the mic to perform >> like it had in the K3. >> I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain control. Even >> with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak *very* loudly to just get a >> flicker on the ALC meter. > > My CM500 mic is plugged into the rear mic jack. I turned on the 14dB preamp > and bias. With the front panel MIC set to 15, I get 5 on the ALC meter with a > normal voice -- no shouting or extra-loud is needed. > > Don't know what's different, but those are my settings and result. > > 73. Mike N4CF > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to david.n5...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
On 7/30/2023 7:40 PM, Oscar Staudt wrote: When I got my K4D a month ago, I unplugged my Yamaha CM-500 mic and headphones from my K3, and plugged them into the back of my K4. I set the mic input to rear, and mic bias on. I expected the mic to perform like it had in the K3. I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain control. Even with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak *very* loudly to just get a flicker on the ALC meter. My CM500 mic is plugged into the rear mic jack. I turned on the 14dB preamp and bias. With the front panel MIC set to 15, I get 5 on the ALC meter with a normal voice -- no shouting or extra-loud is needed. Don't know what's different, but those are my settings and result. 73. Mike N4CF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 and Yamaha CM-500 Mic?
This may sound like a silly question, but are you sure you have the plugs in the right way round? i.e. Not swapped over. AFAIK this problem has not been reported on the K4 reflector and I know other folks are using them. 73, Alan - G4GNX South Coast UK Elecraft K4D / KPA500 / KAT500 / IC-9700 > On 31 Jul 2023, at 00:40, Oscar Staudt wrote: > > When I got my K4D a month ago, I unplugged my Yamaha CM-500 mic and > headphones from my K3, and plugged them into the back of my K4. I set the > mic input to rear, and mic bias on. I expected the mic to perform > like it had in the K3. > > > I attempted to get 3-5 bars of ALC by turning up the mic gain control. Even > with the gain up to 80, I’d have to speak *very* loudly to just get a > flicker on the ALC meter. > > > I then went back into the mic configuration and turned on the preamp (14dB). > After that I could get some ALC bars with the mic gain around 65 or more. > But > I still had to talk much louder than I had to with the same mic on the K3. > (note: mic level on the K3 was set around 7). > > > Question: Is it reasonable to expect that I’d have to have the mic gain at > such a high level - and still have to talk louder than my normal (K3) > level? > > > BTW, I can hook up the MH-4, switch to front mic, and all works smooth with > mic gain around 12. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
