Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
I concur wholeheartedly and thank you. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:05 PM To: Ken G Kopp Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ Folks - I just been made aware of the posting below. I am very disappointed and distressed that this happened here. This extremely inappropriate and racist posting is in direct violation of the Elecraft list guidelines, and it is also in direct conflict with the Ethics we at Elecraft stand for. Posts of this type involving both racial and/or direct attacks on others, regardless of where they are born or live, will not be tolerated here. Period. As a side note, Martin, the owner of of MFJ, was born in and grew up in Mississippi. He earned his engineering degrees from Mississippi State University Bagley College of Engineering and also the Georgia Institute of Technology. I know Martin and he is an honorable hard working person with impeccable values who has our deepest respect. Ken, the list deserves a direct apology, as does Martin. Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Perhaps the matter stems from the nationality of MFJ's owner and a > different set of values. > > K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
Folks - I just been made aware of the posting below. I am very disappointed and distressed that this happened here. This extremely inappropriate and racist posting is in direct violation of the Elecraft list guidelines, and it is also in direct conflict with the Ethics we at Elecraft stand for. Posts of this type involving both racial and/or direct attacks on others, regardless of where they are born or live, will not be tolerated here. Period. As a side note, Martin, the owner of of MFJ, was born in and grew up in Mississippi. He earned his engineering degrees from Mississippi State University Bagley College of Engineering and also the Georgia Institute of Technology. I know Martin and he is an honorable hard working person with impeccable values who has our deepest respect. Ken, the list deserves a direct apology, as does Martin. Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Perhaps the matter stems from the nationality of MFJ's owner and a > different set of values. > > K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
Agreed! Wayne N6KR > On Apr 7, 2019, at 10:37 AM, donov...@starpower.net wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > > This repulsive thread need to be terminated immediately. I’ve never seen > anything like it before on here. > > 73 > Frank > W3LPL __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
Hi Wayne, This repulsive thread need to be terminated immediately. I’ve never seen anything like it before on here. 73 Frank W3LPL - Original Message - From: Macy monkeys macymonk...@charter.net To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 13:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ Ouch. John K7FD On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp kengk...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps the matter stems from the nationality of MFJ's owner and a different set of values. K0PP On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 10:28 Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote: I've used many MFJ products and in have had very little trouble with any of them. For example, I make frequent use an MFJ-223 hand-held VNA -- it's versatile and does the job. I've also used their manual tuners, antenna switches, and portable/mobile whips. They have a very comprehensive product line that's really unique in the industry. That said, I do have some suggestions for MFJ's engineering team on how they might improve their ATU. Looking at the photo, I see that they used much smaller toroidal cores for 5 of the 8 inductors in the L network. This could result in excessive heating, especially on the higher bands, at full power into a worst-case match. We specified T68 sized cores to remain conservative based on extensive testing. Also, if you click on the photo to see the details, you'll see what appears to be very inconsistent hand soldering of the SMD components. While this doesn't necessarily worsen performance or reliability, it should be done in a way that inspires confidence in the buyer. (Easy for me to say, of course. We have the luxury of mass-producing these assemblies using automated pick-and-place equipment at our fabricator in Monterey.) Wayne N6KR On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:00 AM, Doug Person d...@kj0f.com wrote: MFJ has been a leader in automatic tuner technology for years. It was probably a very simple engineering process for them to use what they have to create a K3 tuner. You may have a dislike of MFJ products. But, that doesn't preclude the fact that their tuners work very well. They have been selling the K3 tuner for years. It doesn't seem the least bit surprising given the modular nature of the K3 and the long history MFJ has with automatic tuner technology. Maybe it's actually a complement to Elecraft that MFJ takes the K3 so seriously. Doug --KJØF On 4/7/2019 10:26 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: Ozarkcon yesterday. Break-time. Pile of MFJ catalogs on a table. Took one back to my seat to kill time. Opened it up to the second page and in the lower left corner is a box-ad with the following: "MFJ ATU PC Board for Elecraft K-3 Rig. MFJ-950K3 is a super clone of the KAT3 optional tuning board for the superb Elecraft K3 transceiver. MFJ-950K3 is a direct plug-in PC board for the Elecraft K3 10 Watt or 100 Watt model. Covers 1.8 to 54 MHz. This automatic antenna tuner PC board features an L-Match design and can match SWR up to 10:1. It handles 100 Watts. The ATU PC board has a second antenna port, and a sub-rx SMA port. All antenna ports are protected with gas discharge tubes. Super sensitive relay allows excellent low current drain. MFJ-950K3 is 4W x 3 1/2H x 1 1/4D inches and easily slides right into the K3’s tuning board slot. Weighs less than 1/2 pound. Pick up this great accessory for your K3 today and save $$$!" What in the world is that all about? What possible market are they shooting at? Who would put anything "MFJ" in anything Elecraft? Someone enlighten me! Did I sleep through April 1st? https://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-950K3 73, Kent K9ZTV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.n
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
Ouch. John K7FD > On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Perhaps the matter stems from the nationality of MFJ's owner and a > different set of values. > > K0PP > >> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019, 10:28 Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> I've used many MFJ products and in have had very little trouble with any >> of them. For example, I make frequent use an MFJ-223 hand-held VNA -- it's >> versatile and does the job. I've also used their manual tuners, antenna >> switches, and portable/mobile whips. They have a very comprehensive product >> line that's really unique in the industry. >> >> That said, I do have some suggestions for MFJ's engineering team on how >> they might improve their ATU. >> >> Looking at the photo, I see that they used much smaller toroidal cores for >> 5 of the 8 inductors in the L network. This could result in excessive >> heating, especially on the higher bands, at full power into a worst-case >> match. We specified T68 sized cores to remain conservative based on >> extensive testing. Also, if you click on the photo to see the details, >> you'll see what appears to be very inconsistent hand soldering of the SMD >> components. While this doesn't necessarily worsen performance or >> reliability, it should be done in a way that inspires confidence in the >> buyer. (Easy for me to say, of course. We have the luxury of mass-producing >> these assemblies using automated pick-and-place equipment at our fabricator >> in Monterey.) >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> >>> On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:00 AM, Doug Person wrote: >>> >>> MFJ has been a leader in automatic tuner technology for years. It was >> probably a very simple engineering process for them to use what they have >> to create a K3 tuner. You may have a dislike of MFJ products. But, that >> doesn't preclude the fact that their tuners work very well. They have been >> selling the K3 tuner for years. It doesn't seem the least bit surprising >> given the modular nature of the K3 and the long history MFJ has with >> automatic tuner technology. Maybe it's actually a complement to Elecraft >> that MFJ takes the K3 so seriously. >>> >>> Doug --KJØF >>> On 4/7/2019 10:26 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote: Ozarkcon yesterday. Break-time. Pile of MFJ catalogs on a table. Took >> one back to my seat to kill time. Opened it up to the second page and in >> the lower left corner is a box-ad with the following: "MFJ ATU PC Board for Elecraft K-3 Rig. MFJ-950K3 is a super clone of >> the KAT3 optional tuning board for the superb Elecraft K3 transceiver. >> MFJ-950K3 is a direct plug-in PC board for the Elecraft K3 10 Watt or 100 >> Watt model. Covers 1.8 to 54 MHz. This automatic antenna tuner PC board >> features an L-Match design and can match SWR up to 10:1. It handles 100 >> Watts. The ATU PC board has a second antenna port, and a sub-rx SMA port. >> All antenna ports are protected with gas discharge tubes. Super sensitive >> relay allows excellent low current drain. MFJ-950K3 is 4W x 3 1/2H x 1 >> 1/4D inches and easily slides right into the K3’s tuning board slot. Weighs >> less than 1/2 pound. Pick up this great accessory for your K3 today and >> save $$$!" What in the world is that all about? What possible market are they >> shooting at? Who would put anything "MFJ" in anything Elecraft? Someone enlighten me! Did I sleep through April 1st? https://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-950K3 73, Kent K9ZTV >> >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
I met Mr. MFJ, K5FLU, once as well, at the 100th ARRL anniversary do. Wait…Think it was there, although it could have as easily been another time, like Hamcomm a bazillion years ago. Anyway, as others have said, a gentleman in very sense. Soft spoken, well spoken, as ‘American as you or I. Oh wait. … I’m also half Asian, on my mother’s side, so…umm... Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Email: bu...@brannan.name Mobile: (814) 431-0962 > On Apr 7, 2019, at 1:17 PM, George wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I had to jump in. I’ve known Martin for over 40 years and he is a fine > Southern gentleman who received his M.S.E.E. from Mississippi State > University. I too have an Asian heritage as my mother was Japanese. I bet > you can’t guess what roots my father had. We love our USA! > > George O’Brien > AB4FH > BS Physics Clemson Univ. > MS Physics Univ. Ala. In B’ham > Captain in US Air Force during Vietnam Era > First licensed as WN4PDQ in 1969 > > > From: Ben Hall > Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 12:56 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ > > On 4/7/2019 11:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote: >> Are you kidding? His *nationality* is American. > > Indeed, he is 100% American. Watch the YouTube video where he gives a > tour of the factory if you have any doubt! He talks about his ancestors > coming over to work on the railroads...and has a wonderful Southern accent. > > thanks much and 73, > ben, kd5byb > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
Hi everyone, I had to jump in. I’ve known Martin for over 40 years and he is a fine Southern gentleman who received his M.S.E.E. from Mississippi State University. I too have an Asian heritage as my mother was Japanese. I bet you can’t guess what roots my father had. We love our USA! George O’Brien AB4FH BS Physics Clemson Univ. MS Physics Univ. Ala. In B’ham Captain in US Air Force during Vietnam Era First licensed as WN4PDQ in 1969 From: Ben Hall Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 12:56 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ On 4/7/2019 11:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote: > Are you kidding? His *nationality* is American. Indeed, he is 100% American. Watch the YouTube video where he gives a tour of the factory if you have any doubt! He talks about his ancestors coming over to work on the railroads...and has a wonderful Southern accent. thanks much and 73, ben, kd5byb __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
I've met Martin on several occasions. He's a gentleman and an entrepreneur with a long track record of serving the ham community. Can we just leave it at that? Thanks, Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
On 4/7/2019 11:47 AM, Josh Fiden wrote: Are you kidding? His *nationality* is American. Indeed, he is 100% American. Watch the YouTube video where he gives a tour of the factory if you have any doubt! He talks about his ancestors coming over to work on the railroads...and has a wonderful Southern accent. thanks much and 73, ben, kd5byb __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: BIZARRE OFFERING FROM MFJ
Are you kidding? His *nationality* is American. Unless I misunderstand, your stereotype comment is utterly offensive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_F._Jue ...de W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Apr 7, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Perhaps the matter stems from the nationality of MFJ's owner and a > different set of values. > > K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
