Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Agreed.

Yes, the official Elecraft list that we are talking on now is not hosted on 
Yahoo, it is hosted for us by QTH.net.  

Lets close this OT thread at this time in the interest of keeping discussion 
civil and reducing OT overload for our readers.

73,
Eric
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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 5:38 PM, Walter Underwood  wrote:
> 
> This is getting into negative remarks about other people. Let’s keep it 
> positive.
> 
> I’ve managed mailing lists and different kinds of forums for about 35 years. 
> The best system is the one that all the interested people can use to read and 
> contribute.
> 
> This list is not on Yahoo!, so the whole discussion is pretty far off topic 
> for this list.
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[W2xj]

this is very true but those who lack basic computer skills were wanting to move 
this group from a very adequate mailman server to some crippled web based 
group. 

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> On Oct 16, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> 
> * On 2019 16 Oct 18:20 -0500, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
>> board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the
>> only way.
> 
> This list is not hosted via Yahoo!
> 
> This block that is appended to every message clearly shows it is hosted
> by QTH.net/QSL.net:
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> No need to panic here.  Nothing going on with Yahoo! will affect this
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> 73, Nate, N0NB
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Nate Bargmann]

* On 2019 16 Oct 18:20 -0500, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
> board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the
> only way.

This list is not hosted via Yahoo!

This block that is appended to every message clearly shows it is hosted
by QTH.net/QSL.net:

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No need to panic here.  Nothing going on with Yahoo! will affect this
list as near as I can tell.

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Jim Brown]

On 10/16/2019 5:06 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".  The
web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
of security and privacy issues that do  not exist in a well controlled
text only e-mail system.


YES.

I strongly prefer text-based systems for email reflectors.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Walter Underwood]

This is getting into negative remarks about other people. Let’s keep it 
positive.

I’ve managed mailing lists and different kinds of forums for about 35 years. 
The best system is the one that all the interested people can use to read and 
contribute.

This list is not on Yahoo!, so the whole discussion is pretty far off topic for 
this list.

wunder
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Rose]

Well said, Dave ...

73

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019, 18:23 David Gilbert  wrote:

>
> K3WYC,
>
> What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward
> other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft
> ... is going to sway anything in your favor???
>
> Dave   AB7E
>
>
>
> On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> > I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on
> your own that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: W2xj 
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
> > To: Andy Durbin 
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline
> >
> > gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became
> conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> >>
> >> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to
> learn how to use real email"
> >>
> >> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers
> learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a
> searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest
> without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.
> >>
> >> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin
> board.  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only
> way.
> >>
> >> Andy, k3wyc
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[David Gilbert]

K3WYC,

What makes you think your snide and disparaging generalizations toward 
other users here ... on a topic that was already terminated by Elecraft 
... is going to sway anything in your favor???


Dave   AB7E



On 10/16/2019 5:11 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own that 
distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?

Andy, k3wyc



From: W2xj 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
To: Andy Durbin 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became 
conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

Sent from my iPad


On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin  wrote:

"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use 
real email"

Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages 
of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to 
follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit 
communication here.

I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  
That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.

Andy, k3wyc




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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Tom Redfern]

Sorry,  I'm just dropping in on the thread.  So Yahoo isn't doing well.
No surprise. Google started out as an improved search engine, then went
down hill.  They too could be replaced and the world would be better off.

I note that this Elecraft list is run under mailman and at qth.net the
way real list servers should be.  I'm guessing this Yahoo thing has
nothing to with this list.  No need to reply unless the news is bad :-)

-- Tom W7EZT

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> All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Andy Durbin]

I don't understand your reply.  What exactly is it that you can do on your own 
that distinguishes your skill level from that of a "luddite"?

Andy, k3wyc



From: W2xj 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 4:52 PM
To: Andy Durbin 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became 
conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
>
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how 
> to use real email"
>
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the 
> advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, 
> and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" 
> that seems to limit communication here.
>
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. 
>  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
>
> Andy, k3wyc

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers 
learning the advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a 
searchable file archive, and the ability to follow any topic of interest 
without the "email overload" that seems to limit communication here.


Text only e-mail lists are far more secure than web based html systems
with embedded files/graphics/trackers and forced "reply to all".  The
web based html systems only expose all users to a tremendous variety
of security and privacy issues that do  not exist in a well controlled
text only e-mail system.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-10-16 7:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

"The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how to use 
real email"

Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the advantages 
of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, and the ability to 
follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" that seems to limit 
communication here.

I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board.  
That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.

Andy, k3wyc



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[W2xj]

gee, I can do all that on my own but then I was never on AOL and became 
conditioned to use the web as a crutch. Learn some computer skills!

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Andy Durbin  wrote:
> 
> "The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to learn how 
> to use real email"
> 
> Yes, that will be so much more productive than the email lovers learning the 
> advantages of a system that allows file transfers, a searchable file archive, 
> and the ability to follow any topic of interest without the "email overload" 
> that seems to limit communication here.
> 
> I'm surprised Elecraft does not revert this list to a dial-up bulletin board. 
>  That should satisfy those who are convinced the old way is the only way.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Bob McGraw K4TAX]

There is a very nice Elecraft group at the following link:

https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3


   Group Description

For people interested in the Elecraft K3 and K3S radios. Share 
information and learn about these awesome radios from the people that 
operate them.


When joining the group, put something intelligent in the comment box so 
that I know that you are actually interested in the K3/K3S and are not a 
spammer. HINT- A callsign as your user name and/or in the comment box 
will do fine.



   Group Information

 * 3,156 Members
 * 16,631 Topics, Last Post:Oct 15
 * Started on05/04/07


   Group Settings

 * All subscribers can post to the group.
 * Posts to this group do not require approval from the moderators.
 * Posts from new users require approval from the moderators.
 * Messages are set to reply to group.
 * Subscriptions to this group do not require approval from the moderators.
 * Archives are visible to anyone.
 * Wiki is visible to subscribers only.
 * Members can edit their messages.
 * Members can set their subscriptions to no email.


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 10/16/2019 3:15 PM, Keith N6JPA wrote:
 



All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.


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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Jim Rhodes]

I joined a yahoo group once a long time ago and my spam count went up by a
factor of at least 10. I guess you were expected to go through and check
boxes on everything you did not want to get spam from. So I changed my ISP
and never went back to Yahoo. For anything.

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:52 PM W2xj  wrote:

> not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have
> to learn how to use real email.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Oct 16, 2019, at 4:16 PM, Keith N6JPA  wrote:
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[W2xj]

not really. The groups will still exist but some luddite members will have to 
learn how to use real email.

Sent from my iPad

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Ingo Meyer, DK3RED]

Hello Keith,


 


All those ham radio email lists will be disappearing very soon.


Stay calm! The site says also: "Yahoo's announcement says that the site will continue to 
exist, but all public groups will be made private and require administrator approval to join."



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Re: [Elecraft] OT: Yahoo Groups is going Offline

[Rose]

Good news!  Yahoo Groups is awful!

73

Ken - K0PP

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