Re: [Elecraft] OT - Old Keyers

2014-07-04 Thread David Christ
Probably the All-Electronic Ultimatic.  Kaye, John  W6SRY  QST April 1955 p 11 
and QST May 1955 P 36.  Four 12AU7 and four 12AT7.   Built on a 4x4x3 base.

David K0LUM


On Jul 4, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 I knew there was a history to this.  Related question:  About the end of 
 1956, I and a couple of my teen friends built electronic keyers from some 
 magazine article which is long gone from my memory.  I remember they had 8 or 
 so dual triodes [12AT7's/12AU7's ??], had self-completing dots and dashes, 
 and nothing else.  With the power supply, mine weighed about a small brick 
 and was similar in size. Used a relay for the then-ubiquitous cathode keying. 
  We modified our bugs to key them.
 
 I'm fairly certain the design pre-dated the TO-Keyer, I think the TO came 
 about 10 years later, and as I recall used fewer tubes.  If any OT's remember 
 the 50's well enough to identify my keyer, I'd appreciate hearing from you.  
 I had an opportunity to operate as HS1FJ for a few weeks in the mid-60's, Dad 
 sent me my keyer and Lionel J-36, and when we went back to war, I never saw 
 either of them again.
 
 73,
 
 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
 - www.cqp.org
 
 On 7/4/2014 12:49 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
 
 For that matter, why are there two Iambic modes in the first place?
 
 The original Curtis Iambic mode completed the element (dot or dash)
 being sent when [both] paddles were released at the same time.  The
 iambic mode in the AccuKeyer had a logic error - the element memories
 were set as soon as the previous element completed - that completed the
 element being sent and then sent the *opposite* element if both paddles
 were released at the same time.  This became known as Iambic B to
 distinguish it from the original Curtis iambic (Iambic A) mode.
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Old Keyers

2014-07-04 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Fred,

Here's a short bibliography from the 1960 Handbook ...

Brann, In search of the Ideal Electronic Key,  Feb 1951
Bartlett, Compact Automatic Key Design,  Dec 1951
Kaye, All-Electronic 'Ultimatic' Keyer, April  May 1955.

I'd bet you're looking for the Kaye articles - all of 1955
is here: https://archive.org/details/qstamer00amer

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2014-07-04 6:48 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

I knew there was a history to this.  Related question:  About the end of
1956, I and a couple of my teen friends built electronic keyers from
some magazine article which is long gone from my memory.  I remember
they had 8 or so dual triodes [12AT7's/12AU7's ??], had self-completing
dots and dashes, and nothing else.  With the power supply, mine weighed
about a small brick and was similar in size. Used a relay for the
then-ubiquitous cathode keying.  We modified our bugs to key them.

I'm fairly certain the design pre-dated the TO-Keyer, I think the TO
came about 10 years later, and as I recall used fewer tubes.  If any
OT's remember the 50's well enough to identify my keyer, I'd appreciate
hearing from you.  I had an opportunity to operate as HS1FJ for a few
weeks in the mid-60's, Dad sent me my keyer and Lionel J-36, and when we
went back to war, I never saw either of them again.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014
- www.cqp.org

On 7/4/2014 12:49 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


For that matter, why are there two Iambic modes in the first place?


The original Curtis Iambic mode completed the element (dot or dash)
being sent when [both] paddles were released at the same time.  The
iambic mode in the AccuKeyer had a logic error - the element memories
were set as soon as the previous element completed - that completed the
element being sent and then sent the *opposite* element if both paddles
were released at the same time.  This became known as Iambic B to
distinguish it from the original Curtis iambic (Iambic A) mode.



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