Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
I'm not keen to be at the head of the queue for the same reasons plus the P500 is a higher priority for me. I'd also like to know what other features will be implemented. Dunc, W5DC Bill Henderson wrote: > Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be > more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been > identified and overcome. > > I've ordered mine. > > Bill > GM0VIT > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
Bill wrote: Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been identified and overcome. http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
I'll second that. Bob, W1EQ, #4199 K3 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Atchley Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 12:50 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue Bill wrote: Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been identified and overcome. http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
> This > leaves me to believe that the guys at Elecraft have "teethed" the living > daylights out of it. I have the kit K3 and ordered the P3 kit, so I'm very > comfortable with updates. There is a point where the imagination of the designers and primary testers is exhausted (HOWEVER productive that may have been) and only real customers in all their gawd-awful varying circumstances can come up with the typical breadth of complaints from the inane to wanting new features. This secondary phase and their positive and imaginative response to it (often omitted by Yakencom development) is what has made Elecraft into what it is today. So there is some sense to waiting out the secondary phase. With this company the product on the other side of the secondary development will be quite keen and effectively engineered by the masses for the masses. But I'm not sure I can wait it out either 73, Guy. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
It is the early adopters, those at the front of the queue who help to work out those bugs that are part of the teething process for the benefit of those who come later. If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the early adopters. Thank you to the early adopters, you make it a better product for me. As for me and my shack -- we will be an early adopter. 73, phil, K7PEH On Aug 1, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Bill Henderson wrote: > > Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be > more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been > identified and overcome. > > I've ordered mine. > > Bill > GM0VIT > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Queue-tp5361314p5361314.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
Bill, GM0VIT wrote: > Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be > more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been > identified and overcome. Sensible? Perhaps. However, one of the greatest points of puchasing Elecraft products is the on-going development that occurs after introduction. Usually, that doesn't happen at all with the big-box manufacturers. With Elecraft, having an early unit does not mean that you are "stuck with what you bought". Their products undergo continuous improvement, based on real-world user feedback. I enjoy being part of that process. I ordered my K3 before there was such a thing. I waited 9 months for s/n 559 to arrive. (Earlier orders had to wait even longer.) Since then, There have been several updates and modifications that have come out that make it an -even better- radio than the one I bought. I have enjoyed performing every mod, and installing every upgrade. That's just me. Others may feel better waiting, and getting a later unit. That's fine too. You just miss out on the early excitement, and all the operating time on the new toy since introduction. In the Elecraft community, there's room for all. Some of us enjoy being early adopters. Here, we have learned that that can be a -good- thing. Bruce Beford, N1RX K1, KX1, K2, K3 (and P3) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote: >If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the >early adopters. I'm not too sure if this is physically possible. John __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes the early adopters. On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote: > At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote: >> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the >> early adopters. > > > I'm not too sure if this is physically possible. > > John > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
Correction: "...waves of users" On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: > Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is defined as > the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not exist, the second wave > becomes the first wave and therefore becomes the early adopters. > > > On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote: > >> At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote: >>> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the >>> early adopters. >> >> >> I'm not too sure if this is physically possible. >> >> John >> >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
If there isn't a first wave in the first place, there can't possibly be a second wave. Forgive me, it's a slow Sunday. :-) At 01:34 PM 01/08/10, you wrote: >Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is >defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not >exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes >the early adopters. > > >On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote: > > > At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote: > >> If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the > >> early adopters. > > > > > > I'm not too sure if this is physically possible. > > > > John > > > > > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Being an early adopter of new products has several disadvantages and advantages. Advantages: - Bragging rights to others who don't jump as quickly as you. - Discovery of product capabilities and early start of learning curve. - Use and advantage of ownership of tool not available to others. - You have another TOY Yea!! Disadvantages: - You get warts and all... - High Potential of required firmware/software updates to clear operational and functional issues. - Possibilities of hardware mods to correct sub-standard performance. I have done both, personally and professionally and it's palpable as long as you keep in mind the risk/reward of your decision. Mike NT5DX On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Bill Henderson wrote: > > Why is everyone so keen to be at the head of the queue? Surely it would be > more sensible to wait until the inevitable teething problems have been > identified and overcome. > > I've ordered mine. > > Bill > GM0VIT > -- > View this message in context: > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Queue-tp5361314p5361314.html > Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
The second wave is the first wave by definition. Just like solving the infinite ladder resistance network problem. On Aug 1, 2010, at 1:32 PM, John wrote: > If there isn't a first wave in the first place, there can't possibly > be a second wave. > > Forgive me, it's a slow Sunday. :-) > > At 01:34 PM 01/08/10, you wrote: >> Think of the early adopters as waves if users. The first wave is >> defined as the early adopters. But, if the first wave did not >> exist, the second wave becomes the first wave and therefore becomes >> the early adopters. >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2010, at 12:22 PM, John wrote: >> >>> At 11:36 AM 01/08/10, you wrote: If it were not for the early adopters, the later group becomes the early adopters. >>> >>> >>> I'm not too sure if this is physically possible. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Queue
Michael Carter-4 wrote: > > > > I have done both, personally and professionally and it's palpable as long > as > you keep in mind the risk/reward of your decision. > > > I have likewise done both and have never regretted the decision to jump in early with Elecraft. I just OK'ed the info to ship my P3. It looks like there is lot's of room to fill with future goodies. I am sure we can help Eric and company think of good stuff to add to the empty space ;-) Dan AB3EN - Dan AB3EN -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Queue-tp5361314p5364585.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
