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I'm positive that I had everything set as desired. I thought my original post said as much. The Lock function survives everything, even band changes, which I find curious. Perhaps there is a need for it other than how I use it, which is to lock the A VFO when I use split. Since I have no second receiver, but do have an SDR-IQ bandscope I often use the REV button and the main tuning knob to set my TX frequency to the last calling station's frequency. A slip on the REV button while doing this will move the A VFO rather than the B, so locking A prevents this. It would be helpful (and to me, logical) to have a memory recall or band change unlock the VFO. The RX Ant state is not memorized. This is easy to see. Turn on the RX antenna and recall any M1-M4 memory. It will stay on. Wes N7WS On 12/11/2014 4:09 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Wes, Are you certain you had all the desired parameters set in the K3 when you stored the M1-M4 per band memories? I find that they do save the mode, frequencies, filter settings and antenna selection that you have requested. I don't know about your Split Macro and the LOCK functions or the RX antenna because I have not tried those in my setup. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Wes (N7WS) w...@triconet.org wrote: I'm positive that I had everything set as desired. I thought my original post said as much. The Lock function survives everything, even band changes, which I find curious. Perhaps there is a need for it other than how I use it, which is to lock the A VFO when I use split. Lock is global because it was intended to keep the VFO from moving while operating mobile. Your application suggests making it per-band/per-memory, which I will add to the list. The RX Ant state is not memorized. This is easy to see. Turn on the RX antenna and recall any M1-M4 memory. It will stay on. RX ANT is stored per-band, not per-memory. This seems like the right choice. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 12/13/2014 2:28 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Wes (N7WS) w...@triconet.org wrote: I'm positive that I had everything set as desired. I thought my original post said as much. The Lock function survives everything, even band changes, which I find curious. Perhaps there is a need for it other than how I use it, which is to lock the A VFO when I use split. Lock is global because it was intended to keep the VFO from moving while operating mobile. Your application suggests making it per-band/per-memory, which I will add to the list. Understood. Thanks. (Does anyone actually use these mobile?) The RX Ant state is not memorized. This is easy to see. Turn on the RX antenna and recall any M1-M4 memory. It will stay on. RX ANT is stored per-band, not per-memory. This seems like the right choice. Okay. But the manual verbiage says that antenna selection is memorized :-) Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wes, I guess we have to differentiate between the ANT1/2 jacks (which are memorized) and the RX ANT function (which is only a per band setting, and not memorized. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/13/2014 4:52 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Okay. But the manual verbiage says that antenna selection is memorized :-) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Yep, sure do. 73 charlie, k1xx Understood. Thanks. (Does anyone actually use these mobile?) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Mea Culpa. Although I have the latest (I think) pdf K3 manual, some of my research used the printed (and now out-of-date) manual that came with my radio. I now understand the difference between NOR and Band-Sel. However, that doesn't negate all of my concerns. The manual states for example, that antenna selection is remembered. Perhaps that applies to units with the built-in tuner, but it sure doesn't remember the state of the RX antenna selection. Other parameters that I believe should be memorized and recalled are ATT, PRE, LOCK, FIL and probably others. In other words I would like to be able to recover to a previously recorded state. Now, let's say I use my Split macro that locks VFO A, and sets VFO B up 1 KHz and goes into Split mode, while there I fiddle with the Filter selection. If in M1, Split is off, VFO A = X, VFO B = Y, a FIL is selected and normalized and Lock is off I would like to get this all back by a press of MV and M1. As it stands, the VFOs will revert okay but will still be locked and the filter will be what ever it was before. Maybe this is the best that can be expected but I hope not. Wes N7WS On 12/10/2014 12:51 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Wes, At present we only save one bandwidth in data modes. Fixing that is a top priority. The manual goes on to say, Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands. Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. There are two settings for quick-memories 00-09: fixed-frequency (NOR) or last-used-frequency (BAND-SEL). The CONFIG:MEM 0-9 menu entry is used to make this selection. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wes, Are you certain you had all the desired parameters set in the K3 when you stored the M1-M4 per band memories? I find that they do save the mode, frequencies, filter settings and antenna selection that you have requested. I don't know about your Split Macro and the LOCK functions or the RX antenna because I have not tried those in my setup. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/11/2014 12:44 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: Mea Culpa. Although I have the latest (I think) pdf K3 manual, some of my research used the printed (and now out-of-date) manual that came with my radio. I now understand the difference between NOR and Band-Sel. However, that doesn't negate all of my concerns. The manual states for example, that antenna selection is remembered. Perhaps that applies to units with the built-in tuner, but it sure doesn't remember the state of the RX antenna selection. Other parameters that I believe should be memorized and recalled are ATT, PRE, LOCK, FIL and probably others. In other words I would like to be able to recover to a previously recorded state. Now, let's say I use my Split macro that locks VFO A, and sets VFO B up 1 KHz and goes into Split mode, while there I fiddle with the Filter selection. If in M1, Split is off, VFO A = X, VFO B = Y, a FIL is selected and normalized and Lock is off I would like to get this all back by a press of MV and M1. As it stands, the VFOs will revert okay but will still be locked and the filter will be what ever it was before. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I'm not sure that my gripe is on the list, although I've mentioned it several times in other postings. So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement Proposal/Program). The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful. Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A. If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, The K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories (M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings The manual goes on to say, Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands. Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually remember---and recall---what was stored in them? My 13 year, at the time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly. Wes N7WS On 12/6/2014 4:33 PM, Ian White wrote: Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays to features that have been waiting on the list for 7 years now. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wes, At present we only save one bandwidth in data modes. Fixing that is a top priority. The manual goes on to say, Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands. Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. There are two settings for quick-memories 00-09: fixed-frequency (NOR) or last-used-frequency (BAND-SEL). The CONFIG:MEM 0-9 menu entry is used to make this selection. Wayne N6KR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Wes, I have my K3 set for Quick Memories, and use that for band switching. I run with the CONFIG:MEM0-9 set to BAND SEL. If you set it to NOR, it will not change to the last used frequency but will behave just like any other 00 - 99 memory. I use the Quick Memories for band switching (and seldom touch the BAND^/V button. Additionally, I have set the M1-M4 memories for each band. M1 takes me to the mid-CW segment of that band, M2 takes me to a mid-frequency for the SSB segment, and M3 takes me to the correct frequency for PSK Data mode operation on that band (I don't currently use M4). So I use the Quick Memories to take me to a particular band, then use the M1-M4 memories to navigate to a particular fixed frequency band segment and operating mode. I have the Quick Memories set to BAND SEL so if I hear something I might be interested in on the band I am tuned to at the moment, but want to check another band - when I come back to the original band, I am set to the last frequency used and can continue with that 'interesting' station. YMMV, but you *can* set the quick memories to go to a specific frequency, mode, etc. You just have to change the MEM 0-9 menu parameter to NOR - but then those memories behave just like any other memory slot - they will not be Quick Memories. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/10/2014 2:25 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote: I'm not sure that my gripe is on the list, although I've mentioned it several times in other postings. So maybe Elecraft can take this as a PIP (Performance Improvement Proposal/Program). The memory management in the K3 is, to be kind, awful. Things one believes are written to memory aren't. A really pet peeve is using the M1-M4 to save per-mode settings on each band. For example CW, SSB, AFSK A and DATA A. If I set preferred BW for AFSK A of 400 HZ and store it in M4 and set 2 KHz for DATA A and store it in M3, then immediately recall M4, the BW will be what I just saved in M3. In other words, the BW isn't really saved despite the manual saying, The K3 has 100 general-purpose memories (00-99), plus per-band memories (M1-M4 on each band). Each memory holds VFO A and B frequencies, modes, filter presets, antenna selection, and other settings The manual goes on to say, Memories 00-09 are quick memories, accessible with just two switch taps. These could be used to get to a starting point in each of 10 ham bands. Not even close. If I use the Memory Editor software to set frequencies and modes in the memories, the best that can be said is that you will get the band changed. The frequencies will be whatever they were the last time you were on that band. So could we please have a firmware change that makes memories actually remember---and recall---what was stored in them? My 13 year, at the time I acquired the K3, Kenwood TS-870 did this flawlessly. Wes N7WS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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it reinforces why I'm happy I don't own a Ford. My GM updates have been free (except the Nav GPS, an expensive convenience). The recall was free. The firmware updates were 5 minutes of computer time and $125 EACH. The problem with the trannie has TWO TSB's and is clearly Ford's fault. I'm sure if they could have charged for the safety recall (their fault) it would have been. Rick, GM's NEGLIGENCE'S has KILLED! This is a Documented Fact! ( an expensive convenience). VERY EXPENSIVE!!! Ooops! My mistake. The Cobalt is made by Ford. 73 Milverton. From: Rick Bates happymooseph...@gmail.com To: W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Ubdate Recently a friend took a Ford Escape in for a safety recall, trannie firmware update (to resolve an issue that will eventually destroy the trannie) and a Sync update (original 5 year old version that doesn't meet the stated ability). The recall was free. The firmware updates were 5 minutes of computer time and $125 EACH. The problem with the trannie has TWO TSB's and is clearly Ford's fault. I'm sure if they could have charged for the safety recall (their fault) it would have been. Ford could learn about customer service from Elecraft and it reinforces why I'm happy I don't own a Ford. My GM updates have been free (except the Nav GPS, an expensive convenience). Elecraft has added new features as well as fine tuned earlier features resulting in an entire system that is simple to manage and easy to remote and plays well with other brands (SteppIR and more). Not many companies manage that. And all updates have been free, except when it requires additional hardware (like P3 SVGA). No one else does that. Ford results: safety improved; longevity improved; usefulness improved. $250 later, 2.5 hours at their shop rate, done in a half hour (but the vehicle must be there at dawn, maybe done by dinner). Good for Ford, not the consumer. Anyone at Elecraft want to take over Ford service? ;-) 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:09 AM, W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Sorry to disappoint David, but the majority of the updates actually involve firmware/software updates - involving the convenience factors of the vehicle. Hence, it is good example and stands. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to happymooseph...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnny...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I agree wholeheartedly with you there, Ian. It does seem that when a new product comes out, existing products take a back seat and cease to be updated. Let's hope that no new products are released before the K3, KX3, etc have been attended to. The KX3 has some features that the K3 ought to have. To cite another example, DTMF keying in FM mode is available on the KX3, but when I use my K3 to access international repeaters on 2m I need to use a cumbersome external key pad held close to the microphone. We are told that this is on the list but I wonder what else is on the list awaiting attention. [soap box mode - off ;-)] 73 de David G4DMP In a recent message, Ian White gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk writes Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays to features that have been waiting on the list for 7 years now. Given that the K3 aims to be the world's best CW transceiver, incomplete seems a very appropriate word User support has to start inside the transceiver itself, with the facilities that it provides for everyday use. From both points of view - the facilities that one expects in a premium transceiver does need attention. -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | David M Pratt, Kippax, Leeds. | | Website: http://www.g4dmp.co.uk | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Re first bottom quoted paragraph, Windows doesn't come with a fully paid version of MS Word. It has Wordpad as its built in word processor. There are differences in that Elecraft don't sell an standalone keyer, but in my experience, multi-function products happen when marketing departments cannot come up with any real innovations. Re the second quoted paragraph, this is basically not true, as for example demonstrated by http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/articles/ultimatic.pdf. Any well timed twin paddle mode can be converted fairly easily. In the case of ultimatic, it would seem that an SSI approach is quite possible, but, if you have access to the source code, and a spare pin, only a few extra lines will be needed on any microprocessor based keyer. The bug mode is a different matter, because the dashes are, essentially, straight keyed. However, if the K3 had bug mode added, I'd also expect it to have straight key added, as the same problems would have to be solved there. There seems to be an Arduino based open source keyer at http://sourceforge.net/p/k3ngarduinocwke/code/ci/master/tree/ that could, presumably, be adapted. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 06/12/14 23:33, Ian White wrote: Given that the K3 aims to be the world's best CW transceiver, incomplete seems a very appropriate word for an internal keyer that offers fewer alternative timing options than a $6 WinKey. For anyone who isn't already attuned to Curtis A or Curtis B modes, the K3's internal keyer is of little use. The obvious remedy is to plug in a separate keyer - and of course many people do, although that reduces the much-vaunted portability of the K3 (and the KX3, even more so). But the internal keyer remains mandatory for paddle-sent RTTY or PSK. Normal datamode keyboard speeds are 40-50wpm, so most paddle users will try to send as close as possible to their personal top speed. This is where the internal keyer needs to offer the maximum possible support for alternative timing modes... and that support isn't there. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have a three year old Toyota RAV - it is a reasonably good car. However, I went to the dealership the other day and looked at the newest models. They have many updates that I would like on my car. Using the logic shown regarding K3/P3 etc. updates - perhaps I should demand that Toyota update my three year old car to the level of the newest model. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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With limited time and budget for K3 updates, priority should go to features that would be useful to the majority of owners. With no disrespect to those who use Ultimatic mode, programming the K3 would for should be WAY down on the list, if at all on the list. How many folks use Ultimatic mode - 1 in 1000? 1 in 1? If that's your niche, continue to use your external keyer. Barry W2UP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3-Ubdate-tp7595525p7595606.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Bad example Bill... If your car had a software update, chances are it would be available... I can wait on a P3 update... I would rather see K3 updates... -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-12-07 at 09:04 -0500, W2BLC wrote: I have a three year old Toyota RAV - it is a reasonably good car. However, I went to the dealership the other day and looked at the newest models. They have many updates that I would like on my car. Using the logic shown regarding K3/P3 etc. updates - perhaps I should demand that Toyota update my three year old car to the level of the newest model. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Sorry to disappoint David, but the majority of the updates actually involve firmware/software updates - involving the convenience factors of the vehicle. Hence, it is good example and stands. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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If that is Toyota's business model, the yes, of course. It is Elecraft's model, so it's not unreasonable to expect it. It was a big part of my buying decision. 73, Mike NF4L On Dec 7, 2014, at 9:04 AM, W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote: I have a three year old Toyota RAV - it is a reasonably good car. However, I went to the dealership the other day and looked at the newest models. They have many updates that I would like on my car. Using the logic shown regarding K3/P3 etc. updates - perhaps I should demand that Toyota update my three year old car to the level of the newest model. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Good point, Barry. My external keyers generally have way more capability in other ways too (e.g., memories). And with the K3 using an external keyer makes good sense -- less so with a portable KX3. 73, Phil W7OX On 12/7/14 6:06 AM, Barry wrote: With limited time and budget for K3 updates, priority should go to features that would be useful to the majority of owners. With no disrespect to those who use Ultimatic mode, programming the K3 would for should be WAY down on the list, if at all on the list. How many folks use Ultimatic mode - 1 in 1000? 1 in 1? If that's your niche, continue to use your external keyer. Barry W2UP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Perhaps -- but you may have to wait awhile for replacement of a Takata airbag :-) Phil W7OX On 12/7/14 6:11 AM, David Cole wrote: Bad example Bill... If your car had a software update, chances are it would be available... I can wait on a P3 update... I would rather see K3 updates... __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi, I disagree, but I am not insane about it... :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Any well timed twin paddle mode can be converted fairly easily. In the case of ultimatic, it would seem that an SSI approach is quite possible, but, if you have access to the source code, and a spare pin, only a few extra lines will be needed on any microprocessor based keyer. If one is considering added modes for the K3 keyer, one often overlooked mode that should be considered *in addition to* Ultimatic is CMOS Super Keyer/Logikeyer. One can think of Logikeyer as Iambic C ... In Iambic A the decision to add the opposite element is made at the *end* of the previous element. In Iambic B the decision to add the opposite element is made at the *beginning* of the previous element. In Iambic C (Logikeyer) the decision to add the opposite element is made at the end of the first *dit period* - the decision to add a dah is the same as Iambic A while the decision to add a dit occurs 1/3 of the way through the dah (a slightly relaxed Iambic B). The bug mode is a different matter, because the dashes are, essentially, straight keyed. However, if the K3 had bug mode added, I'd also expect it to have straight key added, as the same problems would have to be solved there. Since the K3 has separate paddle and straight key inputs, one might be able to use *two cables* with paddles to create a bug mode - connect the dit contact to the dit input (tip) of the paddle jack and connect the dah contact to the straight key input ... or just use a bug G. Anyone want to try it (with a single lever paddle)? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-12-07 6:10 AM, David Woolley wrote: Re first bottom quoted paragraph, Windows doesn't come with a fully paid version of MS Word. It has Wordpad as its built in word processor. There are differences in that Elecraft don't sell an standalone keyer, but in my experience, multi-function products happen when marketing departments cannot come up with any real innovations. Re the second quoted paragraph, this is basically not true, as for example demonstrated by http://fermi.la.asu.edu/w9cf/articles/ultimatic.pdf. Any well timed twin paddle mode can be converted fairly easily. In the case of ultimatic, it would seem that an SSI approach is quite possible, but, if you have access to the source code, and a spare pin, only a few extra lines will be needed on any microprocessor based keyer. The bug mode is a different matter, because the dashes are, essentially, straight keyed. However, if the K3 had bug mode added, I'd also expect it to have straight key added, as the same problems would have to be solved there. There seems to be an Arduino based open source keyer at http://sourceforge.net/p/k3ngarduinocwke/code/ci/master/tree/ that could, presumably, be adapted. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Recently a friend took a Ford Escape in for a safety recall, trannie firmware update (to resolve an issue that will eventually destroy the trannie) and a Sync update (original 5 year old version that doesn't meet the stated ability). The recall was free. The firmware updates were 5 minutes of computer time and $125 EACH. The problem with the trannie has TWO TSB's and is clearly Ford's fault. I'm sure if they could have charged for the safety recall (their fault) it would have been. Ford could learn about customer service from Elecraft and it reinforces why I'm happy I don't own a Ford. My GM updates have been free (except the Nav GPS, an expensive convenience). Elecraft has added new features as well as fine tuned earlier features resulting in an entire system that is simple to manage and easy to remote and plays well with other brands (SteppIR and more). Not many companies manage that. And all updates have been free, except when it requires additional hardware (like P3 SVGA). No one else does that. Ford results: safety improved; longevity improved; usefulness improved. $250 later, 2.5 hours at their shop rate, done in a half hour (but the vehicle must be there at dawn, maybe done by dinner). Good for Ford, not the consumer. Anyone at Elecraft want to take over Ford service? ;-) 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable On Dec 7, 2014, at 7:09 AM, W2BLC w2...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Sorry to disappoint David, but the majority of the updates actually involve firmware/software updates - involving the convenience factors of the vehicle. Hence, it is good example and stands. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to happymooseph...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Well said! Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. And yet, reserving as we do the right to practice random acts of wizardry, new things *will* materialize, a feature here, a mod there…. W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Yes, as if out of a hat :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 12/6/14 10:46 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. And yet, reserving as we do the right to practice random acts of wizardry, new things *will* materialize, a feature here, a mod there…. W __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Don W3FPR wrote: A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as making the K3 internal keyer incomplete - only that other things need attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request for Ultimatic keying. Sorry, but I am no longer feeling so generous about and further delays to features that have been waiting on the list for 7 years now. Given that the K3 aims to be the world's best CW transceiver, incomplete seems a very appropriate word for an internal keyer that offers fewer alternative timing options than a $6 WinKey. For anyone who isn't already attuned to Curtis A or Curtis B modes, the K3's internal keyer is of little use. The obvious remedy is to plug in a separate keyer - and of course many people do, although that reduces the much-vaunted portability of the K3 (and the KX3, even more so). But the internal keyer remains mandatory for paddle-sent RTTY or PSK. Normal datamode keyboard speeds are 40-50wpm, so most paddle users will try to send as close as possible to their personal top speed. This is where the internal keyer needs to offer the maximum possible support for alternative timing modes... and that support isn't there. User support has to start inside the transceiver itself, with the facilities that it provides for everyday use. From both points of view - the facilities that one expects in a premium transceiver, and fact that the internal keyer is sometimes mandatory - the internal keyer really does need attention. 73 from Ian GM3SEK __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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There is a big difference between That could possibly be done and Yes, we will include it at some later time and We have committed resources to bring it into production in a timely manner. AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. The fact that added functions have been mentioned on this reflector, but have not made it into the product advertizements and specifications does not mean that the P3 is incomplete. Anyone who purchased a P3 based on anything in excess of the functions advertized at the time of purchase should not be disappointed when additional functions are talked about but are not yet reality. A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as making the K3 internal keyer incomplete - only that other things need attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request for Ultimatic keying. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2014 8:40 PM, W0SZ wrote: Well interesting discussion. I live in the city and have considerable noise on the bands and a noise blanker update to the SVGA would be very helpful. Being able to scroll up and down the monitor like MMTTY with a time stamp would make the P3 much more useful for digital modes. Being able to monitor output signal would be awesome. There were a lot of promises made for the P3 in the past and I'm hopeful that Elecraft will be able to complete the project. It's always a good idea to improve a product and Elecraft has been good about that in the past. If Elecraft could improve the functionality of the P3 I would for one be willing to pay for the update. 73 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I’ll throw in my request for Ultimatic mode too! Lest the Elecraft folks run out of things to do… :) On Dec 5, 2014, at 9:53 PM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is a big difference between That could possibly be done and Yes, we will include it at some later time and We have committed resources to bring it into production in a timely manner. AFAIK, the P3 now has all the features and functions that are mentioned in the advertizing and descriptions of its capabilities. The fact that added functions have been mentioned on this reflector, but have not made it into the product advertizements and specifications does not mean that the P3 is incomplete. Anyone who purchased a P3 based on anything in excess of the functions advertized at the time of purchase should not be disappointed when additional functions are talked about but are not yet reality. A parallel example is my requests that the K2/K3/KX3 keying include Ultimatic mode. I have been told in the past that it is being considered, but it has not yet materialized. I do not think of that as making the K3 internal keyer incomplete - only that other things need attention from the limited Elecraft engineering staff than my request for Ultimatic keying. 73, Don W3FPR Steve - KY7K k...@arrl.net Get OUT and play radio! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
