Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Joel Black]

Ed et al.,

I use OS X and have been looking at an upgrade from my E-MU 0204. This device 
is no longer available from Creative Labs and doesn’t appear to be supported 
any longer either.

I have been looking at the Focusrite 2i2 and trying to compare specs of it with 
the E-MU 0204. Without having one (the 2i2) in hand, I cannot do a side-by-side 
comparison. I am thinking of ordering one and seeing if it is comparable to the 
E-MU 0204.

From the looks of and reading about the 2i2, it appears that you could hook two 
radios to it. I’m thinking the K3 w/ second receiver into Line 1 and the I and 
Q of the KX3 into Line 2. Line 1 and Line 2 are the Neutrik connectors and I 
*think* stereo (someone please correct me if I’m wrong) which would allow you 
to hook up the way I’m thinking.

If someone knows about the Focusrite 2i2 (or other product) that is OS X 
10.11-capable, please inform the group. I’m looking for something in the $100 - 
150 price range. The devices that Jim (K9YC) recommends will work with OS X but 
not with *all* functionality (i.e. the Sonar U7 will not enable the buttons and 
volume adjustment in OS X the last I read).

On another note, I’ve still not convinced myself that the K3SYNA upgrades are 
useful to me and my casual operating. I would have liked to gone with the KIO3B 
except for the price point (about which I am *not* complaining - it is what it 
is).

Regards,
Joel - W4JBB

> On Dec 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Edward R Cole <kl...@acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> 
> Considering your current configuration is working with the KIO3A, probably 
> easier to stay with it.
> 
> My situation is a bit simpler as I just run digital modes with DATA-A and the 
> line-in and line-out lines with my USB/RS232 conversion cable connecting 
> RTS/DTR lines to the K3: "Not broken so why fix it?".
> 
> Having direct USB interface for my K3 offers little inducement to upgrade the 
> KIO3.  I have two SYN boards to install which I will use on 630m very nicely 
> and should possibly improve receive due to lower phase noise.
> 
> So like you, I will defer the upgrade...at least for now.
> 
> I am sticking with my old XP32 computer and will soon disconnect it from the 
> internet, running exclusively ham applications.  My internet/e-mail will be 
> transferred to a laptop which has win10.
> 
> If/when my old stuff croaks then upgrades may be in order, but my soundcards 
> are not supported by win10 and most replacements do not check out well for my 
> special applications (dual-pol adaptive reception of eme signals in diversity 
> mode).
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> busy working on 2M amps
> 
> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:12:17 -0500
> From: Larry Libsch <llib...@bellsouth.net>
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?
> Message-ID: <567ed881.7050...@bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Don, Joe,
> 
> Thanks for your replies. I'll stick with my USB sound cards for
> now.
> 
> K4KGG, Larry
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
>"Kits made by KL7UW"
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>dubus...@gmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft]

I was able to set the levels on my Asus Xonar U5 under El Capitan usingthe 
Audio MIDI Setup app (found in the 'Other' compartment on the firstpage of the 
App Launcher). I run the Mac OS X version of WSJT-X nicely,although I do fire 
up Parallels 11 and Windows 7 Home Premium to run HRD.
There ARE issues with USB in general with Parallels 11, particularly whenusing 
a USB hub, which have been reported by me and other users, andare being 
investigated by Parallels Engineering. The workaround is to unplugand replug 
the USB devices when shifting between Parallels 11 and OS X.(In my particular 
configuration, this entails the FTDI RS232/USB cable for the K3,and the Asus 
Xonar U5's cable, going to an early-2015 13" rMBP)
73 de N1HO(@yahoo.com)
 

  Robert Nobis  wrote:
You might be correct with your statement “Sonar U7 will not enable the buttons 
and volume adjustment in OS X”.  I do not see any drivers for OS-X listed on 
the ASUS web page for the U7, nor does their manual indicate compatibility with 
OS X.


  
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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Robert Nobis]

Joel,

I am using the TASCAM US-366 with both my K3 (dual receiver in diversity mode) 
and KX-3. I am running multiple instances of WSJT-X (rev 1.6). The TASCAM 
US-322 should work well also. Both are available at Amazon.com. TASCAM provides 
drivers for OS-X.

I believe newer models of these are the US-2x2 and US-4x4.

You might be correct with your statement “Sonar U7 will not enable the buttons 
and volume adjustment in OS X”.  I do not see any drivers for OS-X listed on 
the ASUS web page for the U7, nor does their manual indicate compatibility with 
OS X.

73

Bob Nobis - N7RJN
n7...@nobis.net


> On Dec 27, 2015, at 06:53, Joel Black <joel.b.bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ed et al.,
> 
> I use OS X and have been looking at an upgrade from my E-MU 0204. This device 
> is no longer available from Creative Labs and doesn’t appear to be supported 
> any longer either.
> 
> I have been looking at the Focusrite 2i2 and trying to compare specs of it 
> with the E-MU 0204. Without having one (the 2i2) in hand, I cannot do a 
> side-by-side comparison. I am thinking of ordering one and seeing if it is 
> comparable to the E-MU 0204.
> 
> From the looks of and reading about the 2i2, it appears that you could hook 
> two radios to it. I’m thinking the K3 w/ second receiver into Line 1 and the 
> I and Q of the KX3 into Line 2. Line 1 and Line 2 are the Neutrik connectors 
> and I *think* stereo (someone please correct me if I’m wrong) which would 
> allow you to hook up the way I’m thinking.
> 
> If someone knows about the Focusrite 2i2 (or other product) that is OS X 
> 10.11-capable, please inform the group. I’m looking for something in the $100 
> - 150 price range. The devices that Jim (K9YC) recommends will work with OS X 
> but not with *all* functionality (i.e. the Sonar U7 will not enable the 
> buttons and volume adjustment in OS X the last I read).
> 
> On another note, I’ve still not convinced myself that the K3SYNA upgrades are 
> useful to me and my casual operating. I would have liked to gone with the 
> KIO3B except for the price point (about which I am *not* complaining - it is 
> what it is).
> 
> Regards,
> Joel - W4JBB
> 
>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Edward R Cole <kl...@acsalaska.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Larry,
>> 
>> Considering your current configuration is working with the KIO3A, probably 
>> easier to stay with it.
>> 
>> My situation is a bit simpler as I just run digital modes with DATA-A and 
>> the line-in and line-out lines with my USB/RS232 conversion cable connecting 
>> RTS/DTR lines to the K3: "Not broken so why fix it?".
>> 
>> Having direct USB interface for my K3 offers little inducement to upgrade 
>> the KIO3.  I have two SYN boards to install which I will use on 630m very 
>> nicely and should possibly improve receive due to lower phase noise.
>> 
>> So like you, I will defer the upgrade...at least for now.
>> 
>> I am sticking with my old XP32 computer and will soon disconnect it from the 
>> internet, running exclusively ham applications.  My internet/e-mail will be 
>> transferred to a laptop which has win10.
>> 
>> If/when my old stuff croaks then upgrades may be in order, but my soundcards 
>> are not supported by win10 and most replacements do not check out well for 
>> my special applications (dual-pol adaptive reception of eme signals in 
>> diversity mode).
>> 
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> busy working on 2M amps
>> 
>> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:12:17 -0500
>> From: Larry Libsch <llib...@bellsouth.net>
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?
>> Message-ID: <567ed881.7050...@bellsouth.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Don, Joe,
>> 
>>Thanks for your replies. I'll stick with my USB sound cards for
>> now.
>> 
>>K4KGG, Larry
>> 
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> http://www.kl7uw.com
>>   "Kits made by KL7UW"
>> Dubus Mag business:
>>   dubus...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

Line 1 and Line 2 are the Neutrik connectors and I *think* stereo
(someone please correct me if I’m wrong) which would allow you to
hook up the way I’m thinking.


After tracking down a manual on the 2i2 it looks like Line 1 and
Line 2 are two *mono* channels.  You could connect one radio.  If
you are looking for a four channel device, the 2i4 may be more in
line with the E-MU 0204 but not in the sub $100 price range.

I have no answer to any of the OS-X related questions - if you can
use two radios at the same time, etc. with the Focusrite boxes.  An
alternative is the Presonus AudioBox series - IIRC, they were a
favorite of W7AY with his OS-X systems - although Presonus seems to
be 30 - 50% more expensive than the equivalent Focusrite products.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 12/27/2015 8:53 AM, Joel Black wrote:

Ed et al.,

I use OS X and have been looking at an upgrade from my E-MU 0204.
This device is no longer available from Creative Labs and doesn’t
appear to be supported any longer either.

I have been looking at the Focusrite 2i2 and trying to compare specs
of it with the E-MU 0204. Without having one (the 2i2) in hand, I
cannot do a side-by-side comparison. I am thinking of ordering one
and seeing if it is comparable to the E-MU 0204.

From the looks of and reading about the 2i2, it appears that you
could hook two radios to it. I’m thinking the K3 w/ second receiver
into Line 1 and the I and Q of the KX3 into Line 2. Line 1 and Line 2
are the Neutrik connectors and I *think* stereo (someone please
correct me if I’m wrong) which would allow you to hook up the way I’m
thinking.

If someone knows about the Focusrite 2i2 (or other product) that is
OS X 10.11-capable, please inform the group. I’m looking for
something in the $100 - 150 price range. The devices that Jim (K9YC)
recommends will work with OS X but not with *all* functionality (i.e.
the Sonar U7 will not enable the buttons and volume adjustment in OS
X the last I read).

On another note, I’ve still not convinced myself that the K3SYNA
upgrades are useful to me and my casual operating. I would have liked
to gone with the KIO3B except for the price point (about which I am
*not* complaining - it is what it is).

Regards, Joel - W4JBB


On Dec 26, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Edward R Cole <kl...@acsalaska.net>
wrote:

Larry,

Considering your current configuration is working with the KIO3A,
probably easier to stay with it.

My situation is a bit simpler as I just run digital modes with
DATA-A and the line-in and line-out lines with my USB/RS232
conversion cable connecting RTS/DTR lines to the K3: "Not broken so
why fix it?".

Having direct USB interface for my K3 offers little inducement to
upgrade the KIO3.  I have two SYN boards to install which I will
use on 630m very nicely and should possibly improve receive due to
lower phase noise.

So like you, I will defer the upgrade...at least for now.

I am sticking with my old XP32 computer and will soon disconnect it
from the internet, running exclusively ham applications.  My
internet/e-mail will be transferred to a laptop which has win10.

If/when my old stuff croaks then upgrades may be in order, but my
soundcards are not supported by win10 and most replacements do not
check out well for my special applications (dual-pol adaptive
reception of eme signals in diversity mode).

73, Ed - KL7UW busy working on 2M amps

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:12:17 -0500 From: Larry Libsch
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[Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B? Message-ID:
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Don, Joe,

Thanks for your replies. I'll stick with my USB sound cards for
now.

K4KGG, Larry

73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag
business: dubus...@gmail.com

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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Don Wilhelm]

Larry,

To work with the KIO3B you would eliminate the soundcard that is 
currently being used for the linein and lineout - it would also 
eliminate one USB to serial adapter, but yes, you would have to 
eliminate the Linein to the K3 (lineout can still work).


Since you already have your system running, and you already have the 
investment in the soundcard and USB to serial adapter, I would suggest 
that you not upgrade until those devices fail for you.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/26/2015 11:42 AM, Larry Libsch wrote:

Group -

I'm wondering whether an upgrade to KIO3B would be a step 
forward or a step backward for me. My current setup, which works FB, 
uses two outboard USB sound cards. One outboard sound card runs CW 
Skimmer using a Softrock SDR, K3IF out, and one laptop USB port. The 
second sound card does digital modes and, having left and right 
channels, allows me to work RTTY SO2V in N1MM+. It uses the K3 line in 
and line out ports and a second laptop USB port. A third laptop USB 
connects the laptop to the K3 RS232 port for radio  control and 
logging. LP Bridge creates the virtual com ports that make the K3 
logging software and sound cards work together. I use DXLab for 
routine logging, N1MM+ for contest logging.


My reading of the available info about the KIO3B is that when 
the USB port in the KIO3B is connected to a radio, the line in, line 
out ports will be disabled. How would I make my setup work with the 
KIO3B?




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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Larry Libsch]

Don, Joe,

Thanks for your replies. I'll stick with my USB sound cards for 
now.


K4KGG, Larry

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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

My reading of the available info about the KIO3B is that when the USB
port in the KIO3B is connected to a radio, the line in, line out
ports will be disabled. How would I make my setup work with the
KIO3B?


That is not correct.  The K3S analog "Line Out" audio goes to both the
input of the USB CODEC and the Line Out jack at all times.  Connecting
a plug to the Line In jack *disconnects* the output of the USB CODEC
and uses analog audio instead of the audio from the internal USB sound
card (USB CODEC).

The USB "serial port" can be used independently of the USB sound card
by making the appropriate selections in the configuration menu.

You could eliminate one USB sound card (for digital modes) and the USB
to serial converter in your SO2V configuration by using the KIO3B but I
doubt that you will see any increase in performance if the USB sound
card is of reasonable quality.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 12/26/2015 11:42 AM, Larry Libsch wrote:

Group -

 I'm wondering whether an upgrade to KIO3B would be a step
forward or a step backward for me. My current setup, which works FB,
uses two outboard USB sound cards. One outboard sound card runs CW
Skimmer using a Softrock SDR, K3IF out, and one laptop USB port. The
second sound card does digital modes and, having left and right
channels, allows me to work RTTY SO2V in N1MM+. It uses the K3 line in
and line out ports and a second laptop USB port. A third laptop USB
connects the laptop to the K3 RS232 port for radio  control and logging.
LP Bridge creates the virtual com ports that make the K3 logging
software and sound cards work together. I use DXLab for routine logging,
N1MM+ for contest logging.

 My reading of the available info about the KIO3B is that when
the USB port in the KIO3B is connected to a radio, the line in, line out
ports will be disabled. How would I make my setup work with the KIO3B?

 K4KGG, Larry
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Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?

[Edward R Cole]

Larry,

Considering your current configuration is working with the KIO3A, 
probably easier to stay with it.


My situation is a bit simpler as I just run digital modes with DATA-A 
and the line-in and line-out lines with my USB/RS232 conversion cable 
connecting RTS/DTR lines to the K3: "Not broken so why fix it?".


Having direct USB interface for my K3 offers little inducement to 
upgrade the KIO3.  I have two SYN boards to install which I will use 
on 630m very nicely and should possibly improve receive due to lower 
phase noise.


So like you, I will defer the upgrade...at least for now.

I am sticking with my old XP32 computer and will soon disconnect it 
from the internet, running exclusively ham applications.  My 
internet/e-mail will be transferred to a laptop which has win10.


If/when my old stuff croaks then upgrades may be in order, but my 
soundcards are not supported by win10 and most replacements do not 
check out well for my special applications (dual-pol adaptive 
reception of eme signals in diversity mode).


73, Ed - KL7UW
busy working on 2M amps

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:12:17 -0500
From: Larry Libsch <llib...@bellsouth.net>
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Upgrade to KIO3B?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Don, Joe,

 Thanks for your replies. I'll stick with my USB sound cards for
now.

 K4KGG, Larry

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
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