Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Julia Tuttle 
It was technically an attack on your reason for disliking "KEY OUT", not
you! I try to be careful to attack ideas, not people.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:06 PM Pete Smith N4ZR  wrote:

> Well, at least I managed to precipitate something all too rare on the
> Internet these days, unanimity.  And only one of the responses went
> beyond disagreeing, to attack me personally - that's progress of a sort.
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
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> On 2/11/2022 1:23 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> > So, "keying the mic" or "keying up a repeater" is not proper
> > terminology?  I've long heard the phrase of "the radio keys the
> > amplifier", etc.
> >
> > I need to go back to Novice class I guess...
> >
> > 73, Nate, N0NB
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Julia Tuttle 
Any way you slice it, "KEY OUT" is a fine label.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 3:19 PM David Lee / Seatools <
seatools.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It’s the yeast you can do .
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:15 PM Ray  wrote:
>
> > When in Dough Read the manual.
> > WA6VAB Ray K3
> >
> >
> > From: Bob Wilson, N6TV
> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:10 PM
> > To: Pete Smith N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out
> >
> > Elecraft and ACOM amplifiers have a jack labeled KEY IN, so connecting
> KEY
> > OUT to KEY IN makes the most sense.  Alpha and SPE amps call it a RELAY
> > jack, but most rigs and some QSK amps don't use actual T/R relays any
> > more.  A few amps have a jack labeled PTT (RF Kit, Juma).  If you
> connect a
> > PTT jack on a rig to the PTT jack on these amps, obviously that won't
> work
> > unless both are wired in parallel to a footswitch or PTT circuit to key
> > both simultaneously, but then you can't use VOX.
> >
> > Yaesu rigs key amps using a jack labeled TX-GND.  Icom labels it SEND.
> > Kenwood rigs use a RL pin on a DIN plug labeled REMOTE.  KEY OUT makes
> much
> > more sense than any of these labels IMHO.
> >
> > Any jack on a *rig* labeled PTT is an input, not an output.  I can't
> think
> > of any modern rig that has a jack labeled "PTT OUT".
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob, N6TV
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 6:49 AM Pete Smith N4ZR 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Recently, I've been dealing with an issue involving the PTT out
> > > connection on my K-3.  Somewhere in the process, I realized that
> > > Elecraft's terminology is to call this port Key Out.
> > >
> > > With all due respect, this is Citizen's Band terminology, usually
> > > encountered in the context of statements from the late, unlamented CB
> > > power competitions, like "I keyed up my radio, and blew out his
> > > receiver." We key our radios for CW - it is not a synonym for PTT. It's
> > > kind of embarrassing to see it in messages about the very best amateur
> > > radio gear available today.
> > >
> > > --
> > > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > > Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> > > web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Pete Smith N4ZR 
Well, at least I managed to precipitate something all too rare on the 
Internet these days, unanimity.  And only one of the responses went 
beyond disagreeing, to attack me personally - that's progress of a sort.


73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server at .
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"retail" DX cluster.

On 2/11/2022 1:23 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

So, "keying the mic" or "keying up a repeater" is not proper
terminology?  I've long heard the phrase of "the radio keys the
amplifier", etc.

I need to go back to Novice class I guess...

73, Nate, N0NB


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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread David Lee / Seatools 
It’s the yeast you can do .

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 12:15 PM Ray  wrote:

> When in Dough Read the manual.
> WA6VAB Ray K3
>
>
> From: Bob Wilson, N6TV
> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:10 PM
> To: Pete Smith N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out
>
> Elecraft and ACOM amplifiers have a jack labeled KEY IN, so connecting KEY
> OUT to KEY IN makes the most sense.  Alpha and SPE amps call it a RELAY
> jack, but most rigs and some QSK amps don't use actual T/R relays any
> more.  A few amps have a jack labeled PTT (RF Kit, Juma).  If you connect a
> PTT jack on a rig to the PTT jack on these amps, obviously that won't work
> unless both are wired in parallel to a footswitch or PTT circuit to key
> both simultaneously, but then you can't use VOX.
>
> Yaesu rigs key amps using a jack labeled TX-GND.  Icom labels it SEND.
> Kenwood rigs use a RL pin on a DIN plug labeled REMOTE.  KEY OUT makes much
> more sense than any of these labels IMHO.
>
> Any jack on a *rig* labeled PTT is an input, not an output.  I can't think
> of any modern rig that has a jack labeled "PTT OUT".
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 6:49 AM Pete Smith N4ZR  wrote:
>
> > Recently, I've been dealing with an issue involving the PTT out
> > connection on my K-3.  Somewhere in the process, I realized that
> > Elecraft's terminology is to call this port Key Out.
> >
> > With all due respect, this is Citizen's Band terminology, usually
> > encountered in the context of statements from the late, unlamented CB
> > power competitions, like "I keyed up my radio, and blew out his
> > receiver." We key our radios for CW - it is not a synonym for PTT. It's
> > kind of embarrassing to see it in messages about the very best amateur
> > radio gear available today.
> >
> > --
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> > web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> > For spots, please use your favorite
> > "retail" DX cluster.
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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Ray 
When in Dough Read the manual. 
WA6VAB Ray K3  


From: Bob Wilson, N6TV
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 12:10 PM
To: Pete Smith N4ZR; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

Elecraft and ACOM amplifiers have a jack labeled KEY IN, so connecting KEY
OUT to KEY IN makes the most sense.  Alpha and SPE amps call it a RELAY
jack, but most rigs and some QSK amps don't use actual T/R relays any
more.  A few amps have a jack labeled PTT (RF Kit, Juma).  If you connect a
PTT jack on a rig to the PTT jack on these amps, obviously that won't work
unless both are wired in parallel to a footswitch or PTT circuit to key
both simultaneously, but then you can't use VOX.

Yaesu rigs key amps using a jack labeled TX-GND.  Icom labels it SEND.
Kenwood rigs use a RL pin on a DIN plug labeled REMOTE.  KEY OUT makes much
more sense than any of these labels IMHO.

Any jack on a *rig* labeled PTT is an input, not an output.  I can't think
of any modern rig that has a jack labeled "PTT OUT".

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 6:49 AM Pete Smith N4ZR  wrote:

> Recently, I've been dealing with an issue involving the PTT out
> connection on my K-3.  Somewhere in the process, I realized that
> Elecraft's terminology is to call this port Key Out.
>
> With all due respect, this is Citizen's Band terminology, usually
> encountered in the context of statements from the late, unlamented CB
> power competitions, like "I keyed up my radio, and blew out his
> receiver." We key our radios for CW - it is not a synonym for PTT. It's
> kind of embarrassing to see it in messages about the very best amateur
> radio gear available today.
>
> --
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at <http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Bob Wilson, N6TV 
Elecraft and ACOM amplifiers have a jack labeled KEY IN, so connecting KEY
OUT to KEY IN makes the most sense.  Alpha and SPE amps call it a RELAY
jack, but most rigs and some QSK amps don't use actual T/R relays any
more.  A few amps have a jack labeled PTT (RF Kit, Juma).  If you connect a
PTT jack on a rig to the PTT jack on these amps, obviously that won't work
unless both are wired in parallel to a footswitch or PTT circuit to key
both simultaneously, but then you can't use VOX.

Yaesu rigs key amps using a jack labeled TX-GND.  Icom labels it SEND.
Kenwood rigs use a RL pin on a DIN plug labeled REMOTE.  KEY OUT makes much
more sense than any of these labels IMHO.

Any jack on a *rig* labeled PTT is an input, not an output.  I can't think
of any modern rig that has a jack labeled "PTT OUT".

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 6:49 AM Pete Smith N4ZR  wrote:

> Recently, I've been dealing with an issue involving the PTT out
> connection on my K-3.  Somewhere in the process, I realized that
> Elecraft's terminology is to call this port Key Out.
>
> With all due respect, this is Citizen's Band terminology, usually
> encountered in the context of statements from the late, unlamented CB
> power competitions, like "I keyed up my radio, and blew out his
> receiver." We key our radios for CW - it is not a synonym for PTT. It's
> kind of embarrassing to see it in messages about the very best amateur
> radio gear available today.
>
> --
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at .
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Nate Bargmann 
So, "keying the mic" or "keying up a repeater" is not proper
terminology?  I've long heard the phrase of "the radio keys the
amplifier", etc.

I need to go back to Novice class I guess...

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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread David Gilbert 


What a silly thing to get all bent out of shape about.

Dave  AB7E


On 2/11/2022 7:48 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote:
Recently, I've been dealing with an issue involving the PTT out 
connection on my K-3.  Somewhere in the process, I realized that 
Elecraft's terminology is to call this port Key Out.


With all due respect, this is Citizen's Band terminology, usually 
encountered in the context of statements from the late, unlamented CB 
power competitions, like "I keyed up my radio, and blew out his 
receiver." We key our radios for CW - it is not a synonym for PTT. 
It's kind of embarrassing to see it in messages about the very best 
amateur radio gear available today.




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Re: [Elecraft] When is a Key Out not a Key Out

2022-02-11 Thread Julia Tuttle 
Pete,

That seems like a really snobby reason to dislike "key out", which is a
clear and common term for the connector that tells downstream components in
the signal path when the radio is transmitting. Our hobby will not implode
if one bit of vocabulary overlaps with CB.

In my mind: A key (or paddles), VOX, PTT, and CAT are all ways to key a
rig; "PTT out" would refer to only one of those. I'd know what it meant
from context, but it'd be less straightforward.

73,

Julie

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 09:49 Pete Smith N4ZR  wrote:

> Recently, I've been dealing with an issue involving the PTT out
> connection on my K-3.  Somewhere in the process, I realized that
> Elecraft's terminology is to call this port Key Out.
>
> With all due respect, this is Citizen's Band terminology, usually
> encountered in the context of statements from the late, unlamented CB
> power competitions, like "I keyed up my radio, and blew out his
> receiver." We key our radios for CW - it is not a synonym for PTT. It's
> kind of embarrassing to see it in messages about the very best amateur
> radio gear available today.
>
> --
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
> web server at .
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
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