Re: [EM] New MN court affidavits by those defending non-Monotonicvoting methods

2008-11-07 Thread Kathy Dopp
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Stéphane Rouillon

 Exactly, no electoral system can garantee coherence between the order of
 preferences of a voter
 and the impact the participation of that voter has on the result.

Yea Right! The vote counting method that is employed cannot guarantee
the coherence of the impact the participation of that voter has on
the result.

What alternate reality are we living in today?

Kathy

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Re: [EM] New MN court affidavits by those defending non-Monotonicvoting methods

2008-11-06 Thread Kathy Dopp
Stephane,

You are confusing the spoiler effect with monotonicity.

Plurality voting is ALWAYS monotonic.

Neither IRV or plurality solve the spoiler problem.

Both are susceptible to strategizing. I don't know any voting method
that is not.

Does anyone have anything helpful to add?

Kathy

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Stéphane Rouillon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Again Kathy, it depends how you define monotonicity.

 With FPTP, you can easily let your third choice win by voting for your first
 choice
 while you could have got your second choice elected by voting for him.
 But as you only want to consider monotonicity in regard to your first
 choice, you argue that FPTP is monotonic, which is right using that
 definition.

 Stephane Rouillon


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Re: [EM] New MN court affidavits by those defending non-Monotonicvoting methods

2008-11-06 Thread Jonathan Lundell

On Nov 6, 2008, at 8:26 PM, Kathy Dopp wrote:


Both are susceptible to strategizing. I don't know any voting method
that is not.


Random Dictator.

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