Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
I'll repeat this as I'm also guilty of not reply-all'ing (reply-to header anyone?) It would be a huge help to have bugs labeled as easy and/or having a mentor available. See Mozilla for an example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction I looked at the issue tracker for something I could help with, but there is just so much. Maybe I'll start fixing this minor annoyance I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/gala/+bug/1278131 Pepijn On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: This is a good point, and it is a universal challenge (in both open source and proprietary projects). It needs effort. But there must be correlation between successful projects and well-documented ones: If actively try to lower the barrier one needs to overcome to start working with elementary (both on the core projects and at the application layer, but we are mostly talking about the first) we will get more people contributing, and contributions of better (or aligned) quality. Nikos On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're a writer, understand what you're writing, and also understand how to teach is extremely low. The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of crap. Technical writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to do right Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
2014-02-20 17:18 GMT+04:00 Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com: It would be a huge help to have bugs labeled as easy and/or having a mentor available. See Mozilla for an example: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction Actually, we at least used to have something similar - the easy bugs and the ones good for starters were labeled bitesize. It seems we still have 42 such bugs open, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/elementary/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize If this is not documented in the get involved page, that should be fixed as well. Also IMHO we should link to get involved from the developer guide and note that working on existing apps is preferable over making yet more of them. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
2014-02-19 18:32 GMT+04:00 Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org: Finally, we have Contractor; we used to have .contract file format documentation in the old website but it's now gone. The Granite wrapper API is *sort of* documented in the Granite valadoc, but the version in the website is pre-0.2.2 and doesn't include some useful 0.2.2+ symbols. Actually they're probably not 0.2.2+, they're 0.2.3+, I have no idea why though. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
This is a good point, and it is a universal challenge (in both open source and proprietary projects). It needs effort. But there must be correlation between successful projects and well-documented ones: If actively try to lower the barrier one needs to overcome to start working with elementary (both on the core projects and at the application layer, but we are mostly talking about the first) we will get more people contributing, and contributions of better (or aligned) quality. Nikos On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: The bigger problem than docs being boring is that the chance you're a writer, understand what you're writing, and also understand how to teach is extremely low. The google doc we started that one time was a complete piece of crap. Technical writing isn't just boring, it's incredibly difficult to do right Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: I believe you wanted to reply to all (which I do). I agree. In general, I believe that our contribution guidelines are broken. For coders in particular, heading to the developer section of the website has a light introduction to vala, but says nothing on how to actually contribute to elementary (i.e., what is current target/milestone, how to pick goals to tackle, how to assign blueprint/bug to you or notify developers that you started working on something etc.). So a question is, do we have such a text somewhere internally (which we need only to polish and get online) or do we have to write it from scratch? Well, to answer my own question, I believe the page I was looking for was get ./get-involved, which has many of the things I was talking about. But it still lacks guidelines. How would you go about contributing? Should you first engage in the blueprint discussion? Or when the blueprint is settled you can assign it to you? Or do you need to create a bug with the same name as the blueprint and start working on that? (I believe it is the last one) How do you pick lower hanging fruits? If you spend some time on the project, you soon have answers to most of these. But shouldn't we make these readily available to potential contributors? Nikos On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: At Mozilla they have a system where bugs are tagged as easy and/or having a mentor available. This is maybe another way of attracting contributors. I'd be happy to fix some low hanging fruit knowing there is someone to assist me if I get stuck. Pepijn On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
I believe you wanted to reply to all (which I do). I agree. In general, I believe that our contribution guidelines are broken. For coders in particular, heading to the developer section of the website has a light introduction to vala, but says nothing on how to actually contribute to elementary (i.e., what is current target/milestone, how to pick goals to tackle, how to assign blueprint/bug to you or notify developers that you started working on something etc.). So a question is, do we have such a text somewhere internally (which we need only to polish and get online) or do we have to write it from scratch? Nikos On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: At Mozilla they have a system where bugs are tagged as easy and/or having a mentor available. This is maybe another way of attracting contributors. I'd be happy to fix some low hanging fruit knowing there is someone to assist me if I get stuck. Pepijn On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.orgOn Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp-- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to :
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
We're missing a ton of other docs in the website too, but you know how it goes - writing docs is boring and everybody has better things to do. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
We decided *not* to apply given that we need to give higher focus to stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.comwrote: Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
Thanks, David. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org wrote: We decided not to apply given that we need to give higher focus to stabilizing our current projects and not just writing a bunch of new ones. On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Did we apply, eventually? On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
What I think the OP suggested Contractor for, and what shell scripting does not provide is an API to GUI applications. In AppleScript you could move windows around, show pages in Safari, add events to iCal, play songs in iTunes. I implemented things like a tiling WM, a script to open links in whatever browser is currently running and more in AppleScript. It also lets you do things like download something with Safari, resize images with Preview, but on Linux this is better handled with ImageMagic, curl and other cli tools. Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. I'm not so much after the fingerpainting part, for which a dozen paint clones exist. I'm thinking paint with a iLife mindset: make is easy for amateurs to make professional graphics. Check some of the OmniGroup software, and imagine a subset of OmniGraffle and OmniDazzle. Pepijn On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there already and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. It's more of a project for the Raspberry Pi community. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
To be clear, what I'm saying is maybe we shouldn't be trying to make up stuff to do just to participate in Gsoc when we already have quite a lot to do even though it doesn't fit into Gsoc Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Daniel Foré dan...@elementaryos.org wrote: This thread is starting to look and sound like just a massive distraction. We already have quite a lot of very important things to do. I think one of the most important of which is get AppCenter to a shippable state. New things are cool and fun and exciting, but if we really have the extra time and resources I think we should be focusing on making sure what we already have is the best it can be. * There is still no search in Files * We just picked up Photos which needs a lot of work to bring its UI into alignment with our other apps * judging by the popularity of indicator synapse, we should probably investigate using libsynapse to improve the results in Slingshot * We need to fix deprecation warnings involving granite and gtk * Pantheon Online Accounts needs to be integrated into our default apps * Indicators are holding us back from Pantheon running on other platforms and frankly their designs aren't the best they could be. * Audience could use its UI re-written in GTK (instead of raw Cairo) now that we have things like overlay and revealer and can use custom CSS I mean there are literally a couple thousand bug reports open right now. Cheers, Daniel Foré elementaryos.org On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: This tread is just the best way of finding software I need :) Would be cool if they where more easily discoverable though. This was a good start: http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/08/top-things-to-do-after-installing-luna.html Elementary's new motto: There's a PPA for that! But... what's wrong with just using Dropbox or UbuntuOne? I am aware that Preview does SOME things, but I never looked closely. So much Mac stealing going on here :D OS X is good, but not everything that's good is OS X. Pepijn On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Nikos Vasilakis nikos.a...@gmail.com wrote: Also, we have something similar, I believe: https://github.com/kjlaw89/draw On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Tristan Petersen trista...@me.com wrote: Pepijn, Are you familiar with the annotations feature of Mac OS X Preview app? It does essentially what you describe. I use it all the time to quickly annotate screenshots or pdfs. Regards, Tristan On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:41, Pepijn de Vos pepijnde...@gmail.com wrote: Another random idea, that is not a ripoff of OS X is... MS Paint! Something to annotate screenshots or draw a quick schematic. For real photo editing there is gimp, but something light to quickly draw and annotate is missing even from OS X. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
A proper IRC client. I know Empathy does IRC, but it is unsuitable for real use. Try opening a few dozen channels in its tabbed interface. Try idling in a busy channel. All the real IRC clients either *are* a terminal app, or look like terminal app in a GTK window. Compare some screens from Textual to XChat. A client with proper spacing, alignment, typesetting, focus... In short; a design-driven IRC client. I think this should be doable in 3 months. Pepijn On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The interesting work items for it are 1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files outside of snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated partition and 2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
I was thinking about a visual programming experience for the end user who might be unfamiliar with bash. Also, depending on implementation, the app could reach beyond the scope of elementary, becoming useful for other distros. Just my two cents. Cheers, Marco El 13-02-2014, a las 9:53, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org escribió: I've looked up Automator in Wikipedia and I can't see how that's related to Contractor. Contractor is designed to be operated by the user, its actions are not designed to be automatable. Actually, automating such actions is an unrelated problem, but IMHO shell scripting suits that use case just fine already. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
Well, there's a number of visual programming environments out there already and I can't see how this relates to elementary specifically. It's more of a project for the Raspberry Pi community. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
Great application everyone, I made a number of textual refinements to the GSOC text, hopefully beneficial! Someone with edit capability could pull them in the text (if the GSOC-related people agree). I haven't gone through the ideas yet. I will try to do it tonight and work on a snapshots/time-machine section as well (and RFC!). Good luck! Nikos On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff ser...@elementaryos.org wrote: OK, I have an idea that's been collecting the metaphorical dust for many a month. In a nutshell, the current Open or Save? dialogs in web browsers that they show when encountering a non-web file are terrible; how can I choose if I want to keep the file before I even see it? And why the hell can't I keep the file without re-downloading it? The proper UX would be to open all files that are not web pages in a dedicated viewer, and the dedicated viewer should then allow to save the file for later after you see the contents and possibly edit it. This should apply even if the browser sort of supports this file type, e.g. for images - web browsers make for terrible image viewers! AFAIR the basic idea got the green light from Dan, I believe he will reply to this thread if he has anything to add :) I think had a slightly more complete writeup here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kfI-JB80egEmix0HIJkDkDtMHGF_xeQMqQANqIxxnlo/edit This sounds like a trivial feature, but it would make worlds of difference and it is not trivial to implement because you need a FreeDesktop.org-vetted protocol for signalling show the save button from browser to apps, you need support for this workflow in both web browser and apps, you need to handle legacy apps and be able to tell which are which, you need the keep this file action to be extensible and system-defined so that we could do things like keeping all viewed files for a week without altering the apps, and a metric ton of other details. -- Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
FYI we already have a time machine application, Cronopete. The interesting work items for it are 1) btrfs snapshots or even old copy-on-write versions of files outside of snapshots as storage medium, instead of a dedicated partition and 2) Integration into applications, much like for Contractor clients -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Elementary-dev-community] Google Summer of Code Ideas
The first one that comes to mind is presentation software (like Ease, but obviously more mature). Another idea that has been floating around in my mind is an elementary HIG'd audio session manager (check out Gladish, Claudia, Non Session Manager for an example of what this is) that would stress the ideas of automatically saved state and easy undo. Cheers, Cameron El Tue, 11 de Feb 2014 a las 1:43 PM, David Gomes da...@elementaryos.org escribió: Hi everyone, It turns out that one of the reasons we weren't accepted for GSOC last year was the lack of quality ideas. It seems then that projects for GSOC should be 3 months of work. Maybe for one of us (the regular developers) they'd be 1 month of work, but they should be 3 months of work for a newcomer to elementary. Having said that, I need you guys to tell me all of your ideas! Which ideas? Anything that's doable in 3 months (and especially NEW APPS, not plugins, not new features on existing apps). tl;dr;requesting all ideas for new apps missing in the elementary environment that GSOC students could write with our help as mentors. Regards, David -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community Post to : elementary-dev-community@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~elementary-dev-community More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
