[Orgmode] Re: emacs on the N800
On 2007-12-12 16:33 +, Daniel M German wrote: > ^^ > Adam> Did you mean x11vnc? This isn't available in any of the OS2007 > Adam> repositories yet :-/ > > >> it from my desktop). The first shows the stylus virtual keyboard, and > >> the second the full screen. Depending on your eyes, you can zoom out > >> to view up to 100 lines of text and still read it. > > Adam> Today I became the very proud owner of a shiny new N810. This thing > Adam> rocks! It's the slickest Linux-powered unified gizmo I have ever > Adam> seen. It didn't take long to get set it up so I could ssh in as root > Adam> and do operations with apt-get. Python is already running nicely ;-) > > Adam> However, the main reason for buying it was to try to get an > Adam> ultra-portable version of org-mode, so I'd be *really* grateful if you > Adam> could guide me through how you cross-compiled it for the N800. Then > Adam> I'll try the same on the N810 and maybe even publish a package > Adam> repository with it in. *Any* help would be much appreciated. > > Check maemo.org (look for SDK). You need a linux computer (preferable > running debian). You have to download around 0.5 gigs of packages but > it is relatively straightforward. There is a good tutorial on how to > do it. > > Now that the N810 has a physical keyboard more people will be inclined > to run emacs on it. I personally run it only for remember and when > connecting remotely into it. > > On the other hand I have read that emacs23 has support for this type > of devices, but I have not compiled it yet. > > The 2008 apps are still being few and scarce. For that reason I have > set up a dual boot in my N800. > > One more issue. You won't have space in the internal memory to install > it. You need to format a card using ext2, and then mount it (internal > or external) and symlink to it. Alternatively you can install the OS > in an external card and boot into it (my preferred choice). I am reading this thread with great interest as I am thinking of getting a n810. But the price is a bit high at the moment. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. Use the best OS -- http://www.fedoraproject.org/ ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] update-org script
Hi Harald. Harald> The "shell script to simplify upgrading to the newest release" Harald> as found on the home page under the Downloads section, Harald> does no longer work as far as I understand. Harald> Oops. I really should put something in my system to make sure I check that I have uploaded the newest versions! Harald> Most important first: the script should read: Harald> Harald> # get the tar file Harald> # [must be a generic name, not a versioned one like org-5.16b.tar.gz] Harald> #wget http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.tar.gz Harald> wget http://orgmode.org/org.tar.gz Harald> Obviously, the name of the tar ball must get changed. Yeah. I have fixed my copy of this already! :-) Harald> # directory where the org directory is located Harald> dir=emacs/lisp Harald> DIR=$HOME/$dir Harald> Harald> # make sure we have the lisp dir Harald> # note that 'mkdir -p $DIR' would not work Harald> # mkdir(1): "The user must have write permission in the parent directory." Harald> mkdir -p $dir I can only assume that you are editing the script to put org-mode in a system directory ? In that case you will either need to run it as root, or at least make sure you own the lowest level directory in the ORGDIR variable. The line from the manual just means that if you are trying to create /usr/share/emacs/lisp/org and only /usr/share exists at at that time (usually owned by root) then the command will fail as you can't write into the direcory. You could solve this by doing something like this (as root): mkdir /usr/src/emacs chown YOURNAMEHERE /usr/src/emacs Then set DIR=/usr/src/emacs/lisp and you should be set. Personally I like to keep my lisp files in my home directory. Harald> Finally, I suggest a simpler ORGVER line, the argument to ``-f'' Harald> is apparently system dependent, in my case it must read ``-f9'': Harald> Harald> # what is the new directory name? Harald> # (yes I could use awk, but I can write this line faster than I could Harald> # check out the man page) Harald> #ORGVER=`tar tvf $TMPTAR | head -1 | sed 's/ */ /g' | cut -d' ' -f6` Harald> ORGVER=`tar tf $TMPTAR | head -1` Doh! I wish I'd thought of that! My only excuse is that my fingers have certain UNIX commands pre-programmed into them - anytime I use tar I invariably add the 'v' flag (been doing that for 20 years), and made the task more complex! I have uploaded a new version here: http://www.philfam.co.uk/pete/GTD/org-mode/update-org.sh Thanks for your comments. Regards, Pete PS: Carsten - can you change the link on the org-mode page to point to my philfam location ? Cheers. Pete ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Whitespace and outline structure...
I'm not sure if this is the case for others as well, but I care more about the number of lines of whitespace preceding headings in folded org files. I would find an option like... (setq org-preceding-blank-lines '((org-level-1 . 2) (org-level-2 . 1) (list-item . 1) (t . delete))) to be more helpful. Then when folding a subtree Orgmode would check the next header following the subtree, and count back. Just throwing this out there, Thanks, Eric On Wednesday, December 12, at 17:24, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 4:17 PM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Considering an option like: > > > > (setq org-allow-blank-lines ;; or org-allow-max-blank-lines > > '((org-level-1 . 2) > >(org-level-2 . 1) > >(list-item . 1) > >(t . delete)) > > > > The rule for handling trailing blank lines would be as follow : when > > moving/cutting a subtree of level N, only allow a definite number of > > trailing blank lines (L_n). If there is more than L_n lines, try to > > decide whether these additional blank lines are part of the subtree > > above... etc. If blank lines cannot be attached to a subtree, either > > delete them, or reject them at the end of the subtree. > > > > Not sure how this could be implemented, but I just wanted to clarify > > what I had in mind. > > I am not sure an option is the right thing here, because it will continue to > remain difficult to figure out where to put the boundaries. > > The best might be to look *before* a heading and see how many empty > lines there are, and then include up to that many lines below the subtree. > It seems to me that this might get quite close to the right behavior, > but I am sure there will be cases where also this idea will not work > correctly. > > - Carsten > > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
Tim> AFAIK the Apple BT keyboard, is a standard BT HID device. I tested it Tim> myself against my cell phone. I also tested that weird laser keyboard, Tim> but it requires some setup-configuration to work properly and AFAIK Tim> the config client is windows only. I have a thinkoutside BT HID Tim> profile keyboard and it works fine with my n800. I even have a Tim> nonstandard 'freedom' BT keyboard, but i saw that it can be added with Tim> some mucking about in xmodmap i think. Tim> A 'real' USB keyboard could be added, you need to flip the usb into Tim> host mode - which can be done in debug mode. The problem is it needs Tim> to be externally powered. The n800 does not have the USB power line Tim> connected - probably because it was designed as a client device. It depends on the keyboard. Some wired keyboards will work out of the box. I personally use a logitech wireless keyboard (non-blue tooth). I plug in the transceiver to the N800 and it works without any extra power. The keyboard has its own batteries. Others have reported success with small USB keyboards. Tim> I would be interested in playing with emacs and org on an n800 as Tim> well, but without a keyboard, i just don't see it being any use. It is very useful for remember, even with the virtual keyboard, and to browse files. It is better, IMO, than its own file editors. Tim> Tim. -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
Adam Spiers twisted the bytes to say: >> Now that the N810 has a physical keyboard more people will be inclined >> to run emacs on it. I personally run it only for remember and when >> connecting remotely into it. Adam> My main goal is to be able to do regular reviews (reprioritization, Adam> scheduling etc.) when roaming. Hopefully org-mouse.el will help with Adam> that. In that case you need to compile it with X support. When I compiled it, it was without it, so no stylus support. >> On the other hand I have read that emacs23 has support for this type >> of devices, but I have not compiled it yet. Adam> Interesting! Do you have any more details on the kind of extra support? No idea. Just one comment in the maemo users mailing list. But without Ctrl- support in the virtual keyboard it will be difficult to use. perhaps the solution for us (n800 users) is to hack the keyboard and add ctrl. >> The 2008 apps are still being few and scarce. For that reason I have >> set up a dual boot in my N800. Adam> That sounds clever. I have yet to find good docs explaining how the Adam> mounting scheme works with the internal flash memory. >> One more issue. You won't have space in the internal memory to install >> it. You need to format a card using ext2, and then mount it (internal >> or external) and symlink to it. Adam> The N810 only has one external slot, but it does have a built-in 2GB Adam> card. I'd be pretty worried if emacs couldn't fit in that! But I Adam> don't know how to install to it rather than the internal memory. I am not sure how file system is distributed in the 810. in the 800 the internal memory is used for root, and /media/mmc2 is the internal card. >> Alternatively you can install the OS in an external card and boot >> into it (my preferred choice). Adam> Again, would be very interested to know how this works. http://turingmachine.org/~dmg/temp/local.tar.gz Unpack in user home directory, then symlink /usr/local to it. It contains emacs-nox. Make sure you rename the original /usr/local so you don't lose it (I think it is empty out-of-the box). You need to install ncurses-base and ncurses-term --dmg -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Whitespace and outline structure...
I'm not sure if this is the case for others as well, but I care more about the number of lines of whitespace preceding headings in folded org files. I would find an option like... (setq org-preceding-blank-lines '((org-level-1 . 2) (org-level-2 . 1) (list-item . 1) (t . delete))) to be more helpful. Then when folding a subtree Orgmode would check the next header following the subtree, and count back. Just throwing this out there, Thanks, Eric On Wednesday, December 12, at 17:24, Carsten Dominik wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 4:17 PM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes. Considering an option like: > > > > (setq org-allow-blank-lines ;; or org-allow-max-blank-lines > > '((org-level-1 . 2) > >(org-level-2 . 1) > >(list-item . 1) > >(t . delete)) > > > > The rule for handling trailing blank lines would be as follow : when > > moving/cutting a subtree of level N, only allow a definite number of > > trailing blank lines (L_n). If there is more than L_n lines, try to > > decide whether these additional blank lines are part of the subtree > > above... etc. If blank lines cannot be attached to a subtree, either > > delete them, or reject them at the end of the subtree. > > > > Not sure how this could be implemented, but I just wanted to clarify > > what I had in mind. > > I am not sure an option is the right thing here, because it will continue to > remain difficult to figure out where to put the boundaries. > > The best might be to look *before* a heading and see how many empty > lines there are, and then include up to that many lines below the subtree. > It seems to me that this might get quite close to the right behavior, > but I am sure there will be cases where also this idea will not work > correctly. > > - Carsten > > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode -- schulte ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
> > Now, OS2008 can work in host-mode (I have tested it myself). This > means you can attach any external keyboard. Some people have luck with > the apple bluetooth keyboard. I own a bluetooth IPaq keyboard (but I > haven't been able to connect it to it under OS 2008). So when I really > need to use emacs, I can always connect a real keyboard. Not ideal for > standing up, but way more practical than a virtual keyboard when > sitting. > AFAIK the Apple BT keyboard, is a standard BT HID device. I tested it myself against my cell phone. I also tested that weird laser keyboard, but it requires some setup-configuration to work properly and AFAIK the config client is windows only. I have a thinkoutside BT HID profile keyboard and it works fine with my n800. I even have a nonstandard 'freedom' BT keyboard, but i saw that it can be added with some mucking about in xmodmap i think. A 'real' USB keyboard could be added, you need to flip the usb into host mode - which can be done in debug mode. The problem is it needs to be externally powered. The n800 does not have the USB power line connected - probably because it was designed as a client device. I would be interested in playing with emacs and org on an n800 as well, but without a keyboard, i just don't see it being any use. Tim. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:55:37AM -0800, Daniel M German wrote: > I am moving this back to org, since I suspect they will be interested people. Good idea. > Bastien> Hhmm... yes, this is what I expected. Daniel, is the physical > keyboard > Bastien> something that you miss? How are you dealing with Emacs key chords? > > I can't miss what I have never had ;) The stylus is ok with Ctrl > sequences, they just need one extra tap. Unfortunately xterm is broken > in OS2007 (control-_ is impossible) but I fixed it. In OS2008 it is > difficult to issue Ctrl- commands (they require an extra tap). I might > look into this once i fully move to 2008. So I guess that out of the > box, a phyical keyboard might make a difference, if it supports > . It does. I haven't figured out how to get or on it yet, but xmodmap is available so it should be possible. > With respect to the virtual keyboard, it lacks , and > . But a physical key can provide ESC. This is the reason I run > emacs inside an XTerm (emacs -nw). The Xterm can provide me a shortcut > to : I tap it, then next key I tap is read as . The > disadvantage is that is no "mouse" support (the stylus can be used as > a pointer). Ah, drat :-( I didn't think of that. Of course, org-mouse.el won't work with emacs-nox. But judging by your org-mode screenshot http://turingmachine.org/~dmg/temp/emacsOrgN800full.jpg you seem to know how to configure the xterm application to feed more complex macros such as C-x. How did you set this up and is it documented anywhere? > Now, OS2008 can work in host-mode (I have tested it myself). This > means you can attach any external keyboard. Some people have luck with > the apple bluetooth keyboard. I own a bluetooth IPaq keyboard (but I > haven't been able to connect it to it under OS 2008). So when I really > need to use emacs, I can always connect a real keyboard. Not ideal for > standing up, but way more practical than a virtual keyboard when > sitting. Yes, I guess even one of those virtual laser keyboards would be possible. > Bastien> Sorry to ask so insistently, but I *can't* test the N800 > Bastien> until I make up my mind on this :( And chosing the N810 > Bastien> instead means that I'll have to wait for another two > Bastien> weeks... > > Well, it depends on how much money you are willing to spend. The N800 > is around 150-250 dollars cheaper than the N810. I personally don't > see a reason to upgrade. But this is mainly because I always have a > laptop with me. Yep - most N800 users seem to agree it is a lot to ask for an upgrade, but buying from scratch I think it's easier to justify. > Bastien> (There are many other factors. For example, how many softwares are > Bastien> available for 0S2008, compared to 0S2007? Is it worth waiting for > Bastien> an AZERTY physical keyboard? etc, etc...) > > This is why I dual boot. Some applications I use regularly haven't > made it to OS2008. So it's not possible to install OS2007 libraries on OS2008? > What we need is to compile emacs23 and see if works well with a > physical and stylus keyboard. Amen! That sounds like a very interesting project. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:33:18AM -0800, Daniel M German wrote: > ^^ > Adam> Did you mean x11vnc? This isn't available in any of the OS2007 > Adam> repositories yet :-/ > > >> it from my desktop). The first shows the stylus virtual keyboard, and > >> the second the full screen. Depending on your eyes, you can zoom out > >> to view up to 100 lines of text and still read it. > > Adam> Today I became the very proud owner of a shiny new N810. This thing > Adam> rocks! It's the slickest Linux-powered unified gizmo I have ever > Adam> seen. It didn't take long to get set it up so I could ssh in as root > Adam> and do operations with apt-get. Python is already running nicely ;-) > > Adam> However, the main reason for buying it was to try to get an > Adam> ultra-portable version of org-mode, so I'd be *really* grateful if you > Adam> could guide me through how you cross-compiled it for the N800. Then > Adam> I'll try the same on the N810 and maybe even publish a package > Adam> repository with it in. *Any* help would be much appreciated. > > Check maemo.org (look for SDK). You need a linux computer (preferable > running debian). You have to download around 0.5 gigs of packages but > it is relatively straightforward. There is a good tutorial on how to > do it. Yes, I found that and set off a torrent download of the Chinook VMware scratchbox environment last night. It had finished this morning but I can't find where it put it :-/ > Now that the N810 has a physical keyboard more people will be inclined > to run emacs on it. I personally run it only for remember and when > connecting remotely into it. My main goal is to be able to do regular reviews (reprioritization, scheduling etc.) when roaming. Hopefully org-mouse.el will help with that. > On the other hand I have read that emacs23 has support for this type > of devices, but I have not compiled it yet. Interesting! Do you have any more details on the kind of extra support? > The 2008 apps are still being few and scarce. For that reason I have > set up a dual boot in my N800. That sounds clever. I have yet to find good docs explaining how the mounting scheme works with the internal flash memory. > One more issue. You won't have space in the internal memory to install > it. You need to format a card using ext2, and then mount it (internal > or external) and symlink to it. The N810 only has one external slot, but it does have a built-in 2GB card. I'd be pretty worried if emacs couldn't fit in that! But I don't know how to install to it rather than the internal memory. > Alternatively you can install the OS in an external card and boot > into it (my preferred choice). Again, would be very interested to know how this works. ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
I am moving this back to org, since I suspect they will be interested people. Bastien> Hhmm... yes, this is what I expected. Daniel, is the physical keyboard Bastien> something that you miss? How are you dealing with Emacs key chords? I can't miss what I have never had ;) The stylus is ok with Ctrl sequences, they just need one extra tap. Unfortunately xterm is broken in OS2007 (control-_ is impossible) but I fixed it. In OS2008 it is difficult to issue Ctrl- commands (they require an extra tap). I might look into this once i fully move to 2008. So I guess that out of the box, a phyical keyboard might make a difference, if it supports . With respect to the virtual keyboard, it lacks , and . But a physical key can provide ESC. This is the reason I run emacs inside an XTerm (emacs -nw). The Xterm can provide me a shortcut to : I tap it, then next key I tap is read as . The disadvantage is that is no "mouse" support (the stylus can be used as a pointer). Now, OS2008 can work in host-mode (I have tested it myself). This means you can attach any external keyboard. Some people have luck with the apple bluetooth keyboard. I own a bluetooth IPaq keyboard (but I haven't been able to connect it to it under OS 2008). So when I really need to use emacs, I can always connect a real keyboard. Not ideal for standing up, but way more practical than a virtual keyboard when sitting. Bastien> Sorry to ask so insistently, but I *can't* test the N800 Bastien> until I make up my mind on this :( And chosing the N810 Bastien> instead means that I'll have to wait for another two Bastien> weeks... Well, it depends on how much money you are willing to spend. The N800 is around 150-250 dollars cheaper than the N810. I personally don't see a reason to upgrade. But this is mainly because I always have a laptop with me. Bastien> (There are many other factors. For example, how many softwares are Bastien> available for 0S2008, compared to 0S2007? Is it worth waiting for Bastien> an AZERTY physical keyboard? etc, etc...) This is why I dual boot. Some applications I use regularly haven't made it to OS2008. What we need is to compile emacs23 and see if works well with a physical and stylus keyboard. -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] emacs on the N800
^^ Adam> Did you mean x11vnc? This isn't available in any of the OS2007 Adam> repositories yet :-/ >> it from my desktop). The first shows the stylus virtual keyboard, and >> the second the full screen. Depending on your eyes, you can zoom out >> to view up to 100 lines of text and still read it. Adam> Today I became the very proud owner of a shiny new N810. This thing Adam> rocks! It's the slickest Linux-powered unified gizmo I have ever Adam> seen. It didn't take long to get set it up so I could ssh in as root Adam> and do operations with apt-get. Python is already running nicely ;-) Adam> However, the main reason for buying it was to try to get an Adam> ultra-portable version of org-mode, so I'd be *really* grateful if you Adam> could guide me through how you cross-compiled it for the N800. Then Adam> I'll try the same on the N810 and maybe even publish a package Adam> repository with it in. *Any* help would be much appreciated. Check maemo.org (look for SDK). You need a linux computer (preferable running debian). You have to download around 0.5 gigs of packages but it is relatively straightforward. There is a good tutorial on how to do it. Now that the N810 has a physical keyboard more people will be inclined to run emacs on it. I personally run it only for remember and when connecting remotely into it. On the other hand I have read that emacs23 has support for this type of devices, but I have not compiled it yet. The 2008 apps are still being few and scarce. For that reason I have set up a dual boot in my N800. One more issue. You won't have space in the internal memory to install it. You need to format a card using ext2, and then mount it (internal or external) and symlink to it. Alternatively you can install the OS in an external card and boot into it (my preferred choice). --dmg Adam> Thanks, Adam> Adam -- -- Daniel M. German http://turingmachine.org/ http://silvernegative.com/ dmg (at) uvic (dot) ca replace (at) with @ and (dot) with . ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Tag inheritance
If you take the time to read the docmentation string of that variable, it points you to another one: `org-tags-match-list-sublevels'. This is the one you need. - Carsten On Dec 12, 2007 5:24 PM, Carl Bolduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, there is something I don't get, beause tag inheritance is ON, but > when I search for a tag, subheadings (not directly tagged) are not > showing up :( > > > On Dec 12, 2007 11:14 AM, Eddward DeVilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Carl, > > > >There are gurus who might be able to provide a better answer, but > > when I need to set option for org-mode (or when I want to explore what > > is available) I use the menu "Org->Customize->Browse Org Group". It's > > been a while since I've done that and it looks like > > "Org->Customize->Expand This Menu" is pretty nifty. I may have the > > name wrong, since it changes after you select it, but the expanded > > customize menu looks very nice. > > > > Edd > > > > > > On Dec 12, 2007 9:32 AM, Carl Bolduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > HI everyone, > > > > > > I saw the demo of OmniFocus today and I decided to create a similar > > > setup using Org-Mode in Emacs. > > > > > > The only thing that is left to setup is tag inheritance. > > > > > > At the moment, if I set a tag only for the main heading of a section, > > > its subheading don't show up when I search for the tag. I would like > > > the subheading to show up when I search for a tag... > > > > > > The documentation says: > > > ...you can influence inheritance and searching using the variables > > > org-use-tag-inheritance and org-tags-match-list-sublevels > > > > > > I'm still new to Org and Emacs, can someone help me setup those variables? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > > > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > > > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > > > > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Tag inheritance
Ok, there is something I don't get, beause tag inheritance is ON, but when I search for a tag, subheadings (not directly tagged) are not showing up :( On Dec 12, 2007 11:14 AM, Eddward DeVilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Carl, > >There are gurus who might be able to provide a better answer, but > when I need to set option for org-mode (or when I want to explore what > is available) I use the menu "Org->Customize->Browse Org Group". It's > been a while since I've done that and it looks like > "Org->Customize->Expand This Menu" is pretty nifty. I may have the > name wrong, since it changes after you select it, but the expanded > customize menu looks very nice. > > Edd > > > On Dec 12, 2007 9:32 AM, Carl Bolduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HI everyone, > > > > I saw the demo of OmniFocus today and I decided to create a similar > > setup using Org-Mode in Emacs. > > > > The only thing that is left to setup is tag inheritance. > > > > At the moment, if I set a tag only for the main heading of a section, > > its subheading don't show up when I search for the tag. I would like > > the subheading to show up when I search for a tag... > > > > The documentation says: > > ...you can influence inheritance and searching using the variables > > org-use-tag-inheritance and org-tags-match-list-sublevels > > > > I'm still new to Org and Emacs, can someone help me setup those variables? > > > > Thanks! > > Carl > > > > > > ___ > > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Re: Whitespace and outline structure...
On Dec 12, 2007 4:17 PM, Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes. Considering an option like: > > (setq org-allow-blank-lines ;; or org-allow-max-blank-lines > '((org-level-1 . 2) >(org-level-2 . 1) >(list-item . 1) >(t . delete)) > > The rule for handling trailing blank lines would be as follow : when > moving/cutting a subtree of level N, only allow a definite number of > trailing blank lines (L_n). If there is more than L_n lines, try to > decide whether these additional blank lines are part of the subtree > above... etc. If blank lines cannot be attached to a subtree, either > delete them, or reject them at the end of the subtree. > > Not sure how this could be implemented, but I just wanted to clarify > what I had in mind. I am not sure an option is the right thing here, because it will continue to remain difficult to figure out where to put the boundaries. The best might be to look *before* a heading and see how many empty lines there are, and then include up to that many lines below the subtree. It seems to me that this might get quite close to the right behavior, but I am sure there will be cases where also this idea will not work correctly. - Carsten ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] update-org script
The "shell script to simplify upgrading to the newest release" as found on the home page under the Downloads section, does no longer work as far as I understand. Most important first: the script should read: # get the tar file # [must be a generic name, not a versioned one like org-5.16b.tar.gz] #wget http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools/org/org.tar.gz wget http://orgmode.org/org.tar.gz Obviously, the name of the tar ball must get changed. Then: # directory where the org directory is located dir=emacs/lisp DIR=$HOME/$dir # make sure we have the lisp dir # note that 'mkdir -p $DIR' would not work # mkdir(1): "The user must have write permission in the parent directory." mkdir -p $dir Finally, I suggest a simpler ORGVER line, the argument to ``-f'' is apparently system dependent, in my case it must read ``-f9'': # what is the new directory name? # (yes I could use awk, but I can write this line faster than I could # check out the man page) #ORGVER=`tar tvf $TMPTAR | head -1 | sed 's/ */ /g' | cut -d' ' -f6` ORGVER=`tar tf $TMPTAR | head -1` It would be nice if the author of the script and Dominik Carsten could comment. Thanks in advance. HW -- FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p2 #0: Tue Feb 27 22:56:09 UTC 2007 -- "If Kyoto had been influenced more by the pragmatism of scientists and engineers and less by romantic idealism, we might soon have harvested fusion energy. As it is, even given good will, it may take 20 more years before it begins to heat our electric kettles or run our word processors." James Lovelock in "The Revenge of Gaia" ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
Re: [Orgmode] Tag inheritance
Carl, There are gurus who might be able to provide a better answer, but when I need to set option for org-mode (or when I want to explore what is available) I use the menu "Org->Customize->Browse Org Group". It's been a while since I've done that and it looks like "Org->Customize->Expand This Menu" is pretty nifty. I may have the name wrong, since it changes after you select it, but the expanded customize menu looks very nice. Edd On Dec 12, 2007 9:32 AM, Carl Bolduc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HI everyone, > > I saw the demo of OmniFocus today and I decided to create a similar > setup using Org-Mode in Emacs. > > The only thing that is left to setup is tag inheritance. > > At the moment, if I set a tag only for the main heading of a section, > its subheading don't show up when I search for the tag. I would like > the subheading to show up when I search for a tag... > > The documentation says: > ...you can influence inheritance and searching using the variables > org-use-tag-inheritance and org-tags-match-list-sublevels > > I'm still new to Org and Emacs, can someone help me setup those variables? > > Thanks! > Carl > > > ___ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Tag inheritance
HI everyone, I saw the demo of OmniFocus today and I decided to create a similar setup using Org-Mode in Emacs. The only thing that is left to setup is tag inheritance. At the moment, if I set a tag only for the main heading of a section, its subheading don't show up when I search for the tag. I would like the subheading to show up when I search for a tag... The documentation says: ...you can influence inheritance and searching using the variables org-use-tag-inheritance and org-tags-match-list-sublevels I'm still new to Org and Emacs, can someone help me setup those variables? Thanks! Carl ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] org-store-link with wanderlust
When I try 'M-x org-store-link' in the wanderlust summary buffer, I
get an error (have tried with many messages). For example:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Invalid address: (Brad Pitt
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)")
signal(error ("Invalid address: (Brad Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)"))
error("Invalid address: %s" ("Brad Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"))
mail-extract-address-components(("Brad Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"))
org-store-link-props(:type "wl" :from "Jolie, Angelina" :to ("Brad
Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>") :subject "RE: u r hot" :message-id
"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>")
org-store-link(nil)
call-interactively(org-store-link)
execute-extended-command(nil)
call-interactively(execute-extended-command)
The address reported in the backtrace has, of course, been changed ...
but it is structurally original to the original valid address.
Thanks,
Hans
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Re: [Orgmode] Re: Whitespace and outline structure...
Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Phil Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The problem is that there is no way to tell that the two blank lines after "** Blah blah" are part of "** Blah blah" or part of "* Some stuff". >>> >>> [...] >>> What do you think? >>> >>> I suffer this problem too. I can't think of a situation where blank >>> lines would be useful attached to an item but maybe I'm doing it >>> wrong. >> >> No, I feel the same. I think I don't usually need more one or two >> blank lines. Hence my proposal about org-delete-trailing-blank-lines >> based on allowed values... > > Something like that might be good -- for my use a single blank line is > part of the entry, the second one is not, ever. So, for me, a simple > rule. Yes. Considering an option like: (setq org-allow-blank-lines ;; or org-allow-max-blank-lines '((org-level-1 . 2) (org-level-2 . 1) (list-item . 1) (t . delete)) The rule for handling trailing blank lines would be as follow : when moving/cutting a subtree of level N, only allow a definite number of trailing blank lines (L_n). If there is more than L_n lines, try to decide whether these additional blank lines are part of the subtree above... etc. If blank lines cannot be attached to a subtree, either delete them, or reject them at the end of the subtree. Not sure how this could be implemented, but I just wanted to clarify what I had in mind. -- Bastien ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
[Orgmode] Re: Whitespace and outline structure...
Bastien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Phil Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> The problem is that there is no way to tell that the two blank lines >>> after "** Blah blah" are part of "** Blah blah" or part of "* Some >>> stuff". >> >> [...] >> >>> What do you think? >> >> I suffer this problem too. I can't think of a situation where blank >> lines would be useful attached to an item but maybe I'm doing it >> wrong. > > No, I feel the same. I think I don't usually need more one or two > blank lines. Hence my proposal about org-delete-trailing-blank-lines > based on allowed values... Something like that might be good -- for my use a single blank line is part of the entry, the second one is not, ever. So, for me, a simple rule. Also, to me, it seems that since org-mode explicitly takes multiple blank lines into account in the folding process -- it displays whitespace -- it considers them to be "special" as well. That said, I have my answer: there is no easy way to make this work the way I think about outlines and whitespace, so I should dig in the code.[1] Regards, Daniel Footnotes: [1] Well, hope that one of the developers takes pity on me for the next week, anyway, and then dig in the code when I have time again. -- Daniel Pittman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Phone: 03 9428 6922 1/130-132 Stawell St, Richmond Web: http://www.cyber.com.au Cybersource: Australia's Leading Linux and Open Source Solutions Company ___ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
