Re: [O] Change font size temporarily for pdf export
I found one solution which surrounds the src block by
#+LATEX: \scriptsize
#+BEGIN_SRC R
print("This block is in scriptsize")
#+END_SRC R
#+LATEX: \normalize
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Shiyuan wrote:
> Hi,
>When a src code block is exported to latex-pdf, the src lines sometimes
> are too long to fit in a pdf line. One easy way to handle this problem I
> can think of is to temporarily change font size. What is the best way to do
> that in org model? Say that if I have two src blocks, I want the first
> code block to be typeset in scriptsize but the second block typeset in
> normalsize .
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC R
> print("This block in scriptsize")
> ..
> #+END
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC R
> print("This block back to normalsize")
> ..
> #+END
>
> Thanks.
>
Re: [O] Org Export Latex Hyperref Options Format
Hello Andrea, thanks for your very useful reply and for the links. 2014-06-28 16:29 GMT+02:00 Andrea Rossetti : > I had the same problem some time ago. That variable > has been removed in recent Org versions, and you > probably have (like me) an old built-in Org "shadowed" > by a new Elpa Org. You should ignore that variable. > How can I remove this old built-in Org "shadowed" by my new Elpa Org ? It seems to me that it should be the best solution, but I do not want to broke my org installation because it works well, this detail excepted. > > See previous discussion and some advices here: > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/77193 > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/77241 > Thanks again for theses links. Best regards, Jo.
[O] Change font size temporarily for pdf export
Hi,
When a src code block is exported to latex-pdf, the src lines sometimes
are too long to fit in a pdf line. One easy way to handle this problem I
can think of is to temporarily change font size. What is the best way to do
that in org model? Say that if I have two src blocks, I want the first
code block to be typeset in scriptsize but the second block typeset in
normalsize .
#+BEGIN_SRC R
print("This block in scriptsize")
..
#+END
#+BEGIN_SRC R
print("This block back to normalsize")
..
#+END
Thanks.
Re: [O] R src block not highlighted in pdf
Thank you for the pointers. I got minted-pygments working using the
following setup:
(setq org-latex-listings 'minted)
(add-to-list 'org-latex-packages-alist '("" "minted"))
(setq org-latex-pdf-process
'("pdflatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o
%f" "pdflatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o
%f" "pdflatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o
%f"))
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Nick Dokos wrote:
> Shiyuan writes:
>
> > I use the following setting. The keywords are correctly recognized and
> are in bold face, but not in color. Are there any other
> > steps for colors.
> >
> > (require 'ox-latex)
> > (add-to-list 'org-latex-packages-alist '("" "listings"))
> > (add-to-list 'org-latex-packages-alist '("" "color"))
> >
>
> Not sure what version of listings I have, but I get the same behaviour:
> bold face but no color. You have to modify the settings. For example:
>
> \lstset{ %
> ...
> commentstyle=\color{green}, % comment style
> ...}
>
> will colour comments green. See the listings manual for more details:
>
>http://mirror.hmc.edu/ctan/macros/latex/contrib/listings/listings.pdf
>
> You might want to try pygments and minted instead. It's a bit fiddly
> to set up but does give you colour out of the box.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
> Von: David Masterson > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 22:04:08 -0700 > An: > Betreff: Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > M writes: >> >> that's a very good idea. However, really _unique_ selling points might be >> difficult to find. For your first one I'm not sure, but dependencies are >> available in other tools to, so it's not a true USP. > > Actually, it is a good USP for a task management system. Most other > task management systems that I've seen (like Toodledo) only support one > level of parent-child relationships and do not support task > dependencies or they support it badly. > I absolutely agree that hierarchical "sub"-tasks (I assume, that's what you mean with parent-child-relationsships?) and dependencies are an important feature for a task management system (at least for some users). I did not put that into question. So, yes, it is a good USP for a taks management system. But a "USP" (from my understanding) is something that no other product offers - and that's just not true for dependencies or hierarchical tasks or the combination of both. Taken from Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unique_selling_proposition) "2. The proposition must be one the competition cannot or does not offer. It must be uniqueeither in the brand or in a claim the rest of that particular advertising area does not make." >> You have to know all "competitors" and their features to be sure it is a >> true (unique!) USP. This is nearly impossible. > > That's what the newsgroup is for. I absolutely agree Martin
[O] [BUG] Infloop in org-element-inlinetask-parser
Hello, In the latest checkout of master, I am seeing an infloop in org-element-inlinetask-parser. This originates when that function calls back into org-element-at-point to look for a property drawer, which moves the point back before the beginning of the inlinetask and then attempts to re-enter org-element-inlinetask-parser. The attached files reproduce the bug. Eval the .el file in emacs -Q (after changing the path to your checkout of the org sources) and then attempt to open the .org file. The latest commit in my checkout of org is: commit 2824502e2ebe2744e5f53acabb5b3b04f9a391b9 Author: Nicolas Goaziou Date: Sat Jun 28 00:28:45 2014 +0200 org-element: Fix cache corruption when altering a drawer My emacs is a recent-ish trunk build; latest commit: commit cacabe3a49dbb3da268e93d88ad0f21924f26bed Author: Kelvin White Date: Thu Jun 19 13:22:31 2014 -0400 Update comments in erc-format-@nick to reflect changes in last merge. Thanks, Aaron (let ((org-path "~/development/org-mode/")) (add-to-list 'load-path (concat org-path "lisp/"))) (require 'org) (require 'org-inlinetask) ;; optional: (setq org-element-use-cache nil) bug.org Description: Lotus Organizer
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
M writes: >> Von: Karl Voit >> Organisation: www.karl-voit.at >> Antworten an: Karl Voit >> Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:43:31 +0200 >> An: >> Betreff: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode >> >> Hi! >> >> I was wondering if there are people out there who also need Org-mode >> features that are *not part of any other software solution*. For the >> usual question "why should I learn Emacs/Org-mode?" I'd like to have >> a list of cool Org-mode features that demonstrate the benefit. >> >> So, how about a short brainstorming here and a new Worg-page >> collecting those things? >> >> I start with: >> >> * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and >> more at one single place >> >> * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to >> another script in language B (babel) >> >> * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as >> "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" >> (org-depend) >> > > Hi Karl, > > that's a very good idea. However, really _unique_ selling points might be > difficult to find. For your first one I'm not sure, but dependencies are > available in other tools to, so it's not a true USP. Actually, it is a good USP for a task management system. Most other task management systems that I've seen (like Toodledo) only support one level of parent-child relationships and do not support task dependencies or they support it badly. > You have to know all "competitors" and their features to be sure it is a > true (unique!) USP. This is nearly impossible. That's what the newsgroup is for. > Martin -- David Masterson Programmer At Large
Re: [O] still seeing semi-regular lockups
York Zhao writes:
> My experience of using `org-mode' (git commit "2824502" and previous versions)
> with Emacs 24.3.91 (git commit "0f0917d") had been a nightmare. I got bitten
> by
> this bug frequently, I was mad. Some of my `org-drill' entires might have been
> damaged to some extent. This was a problem with Emacs 24.3.1 ("3a1ce06") too
> but
> was much better, at least not damaging my `org-drill' flies. I will have to go
> back to Emacs 24.3.1. Appears to me that Emacs 24.4 may have some bad issues.
Yeah, I'm using git emacs, labeled 24.4.50.1.
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Eric Abrahamsen
> wrote:
>> Eric Abrahamsen writes:
>>
>>> Nicolas Goaziou writes:
>>>
Hello,
Eric Abrahamsen writes:
> None of those three, I'm afraid! It was hanging on a variety of editing
> operations that, as far as I can tell, had little in common. There's a
> possibility that they were list-item-related, but really there wasn't
> much commonality.
FYI, I recently fixed a bug[fn:1] that could introduce uncommon random
lockups. Hopefully, it may be related to your problem (which is
different from Daimrod's).
>>>
>>> Thanks for the followup! I was watching Daimrod's thread, and also
>>> Matt's most recent posting -- that also seemed more relevant to my
>>> problems, which were almost solely confined to log/state notes. I've
>>> pulled the fix, and will let you know if I see any more problems.
>>
>> After feeling like I was running behind the bus for a few weeks, I may
>> have finally gotten something useful.
>>
>> FWIW I *haven't* seen any log-drawer related lockups for a while now,
>> not since Nicolas said he fixed some things in that direction. But in
>> the past couple of days I have had a few flyspell-related lockups, and
>> finally got an uncompiled backtrace.
>>
>> This has happened the same way a few times now. A longish, text-heavy
>> file, with only three top-level headlines (one of them a footnote
>> section), and no drawers of any sort anywhere in the document -- very
>> little Org markup at all, actually. The lockup starts at random, and
>> SIGUSR2 shows me a very short backtrace related to a flyspell-mode
>> related advice somewhere (I didn't save this one, it's byte-compiled, if
>> it's important I'll clean out more compiled files and try to get it
>> again).
>>
>> I recover from that lock, turn off flyspell-mode in my org buffer, and
>> within three or four commands Org locks up again. This time the
>> backtrace is related to org cache, here's the one I just got, after
>> calling org-end-of-line:
>>
>> http://pastebin.com/Q0g8DmUa
>>
>> Hope that's useful! Let me know if I can provide anything else.
>>
>> E
>>
>>
Re: [O] still seeing semi-regular lockups
My experience of using `org-mode' (git commit "2824502" and previous versions)
with Emacs 24.3.91 (git commit "0f0917d") had been a nightmare. I got bitten by
this bug frequently, I was mad. Some of my `org-drill' entires might have been
damaged to some extent. This was a problem with Emacs 24.3.1 ("3a1ce06") too but
was much better, at least not damaging my `org-drill' flies. I will have to go
back to Emacs 24.3.1. Appears to me that Emacs 24.4 may have some bad issues.
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Eric Abrahamsen
wrote:
> Eric Abrahamsen writes:
>
>> Nicolas Goaziou writes:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Eric Abrahamsen writes:
>>>
None of those three, I'm afraid! It was hanging on a variety of editing
operations that, as far as I can tell, had little in common. There's a
possibility that they were list-item-related, but really there wasn't
much commonality.
>>>
>>> FYI, I recently fixed a bug[fn:1] that could introduce uncommon random
>>> lockups. Hopefully, it may be related to your problem (which is
>>> different from Daimrod's).
>>
>> Thanks for the followup! I was watching Daimrod's thread, and also
>> Matt's most recent posting -- that also seemed more relevant to my
>> problems, which were almost solely confined to log/state notes. I've
>> pulled the fix, and will let you know if I see any more problems.
>
> After feeling like I was running behind the bus for a few weeks, I may
> have finally gotten something useful.
>
> FWIW I *haven't* seen any log-drawer related lockups for a while now,
> not since Nicolas said he fixed some things in that direction. But in
> the past couple of days I have had a few flyspell-related lockups, and
> finally got an uncompiled backtrace.
>
> This has happened the same way a few times now. A longish, text-heavy
> file, with only three top-level headlines (one of them a footnote
> section), and no drawers of any sort anywhere in the document -- very
> little Org markup at all, actually. The lockup starts at random, and
> SIGUSR2 shows me a very short backtrace related to a flyspell-mode
> related advice somewhere (I didn't save this one, it's byte-compiled, if
> it's important I'll clean out more compiled files and try to get it
> again).
>
> I recover from that lock, turn off flyspell-mode in my org buffer, and
> within three or four commands Org locks up again. This time the
> backtrace is related to org cache, here's the one I just got, after
> calling org-end-of-line:
>
> http://pastebin.com/Q0g8DmUa
>
> Hope that's useful! Let me know if I can provide anything else.
>
> E
>
>
[O] How to evaluate all source blocks like at export time, anytime?
Hi, In the manual it explains how to disable all source block evaluation during export with org-export-babel-evaluate. I did that, and it is desirable. However, what is the "right way" to request org to evaluate all of the source blocks, in exactly the same manner that would have happened during an export with org-export-babel-evaluate non-nil? Kind regards, Grant Rettke | ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM g...@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ “Wisdom begins in wonder.” --Socrates ((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x))) “Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously.” --Thompson
Re: [O] still seeing semi-regular lockups
Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Nicolas Goaziou writes: > >> Hello, >> >> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >> >>> None of those three, I'm afraid! It was hanging on a variety of editing >>> operations that, as far as I can tell, had little in common. There's a >>> possibility that they were list-item-related, but really there wasn't >>> much commonality. >> >> FYI, I recently fixed a bug[fn:1] that could introduce uncommon random >> lockups. Hopefully, it may be related to your problem (which is >> different from Daimrod's). > > Thanks for the followup! I was watching Daimrod's thread, and also > Matt's most recent posting -- that also seemed more relevant to my > problems, which were almost solely confined to log/state notes. I've > pulled the fix, and will let you know if I see any more problems. After feeling like I was running behind the bus for a few weeks, I may have finally gotten something useful. FWIW I *haven't* seen any log-drawer related lockups for a while now, not since Nicolas said he fixed some things in that direction. But in the past couple of days I have had a few flyspell-related lockups, and finally got an uncompiled backtrace. This has happened the same way a few times now. A longish, text-heavy file, with only three top-level headlines (one of them a footnote section), and no drawers of any sort anywhere in the document -- very little Org markup at all, actually. The lockup starts at random, and SIGUSR2 shows me a very short backtrace related to a flyspell-mode related advice somewhere (I didn't save this one, it's byte-compiled, if it's important I'll clean out more compiled files and try to get it again). I recover from that lock, turn off flyspell-mode in my org buffer, and within three or four commands Org locks up again. This time the backtrace is related to org cache, here's the one I just got, after calling org-end-of-line: http://pastebin.com/Q0g8DmUa Hope that's useful! Let me know if I can provide anything else. E
Re: [O] PDF output from Org
For when we can't just use A4:
,
| #+OPTIONS: texht:t
| #+LATEX_CLASS: article
| #+LATEX_CLASS_OPTIONS: [letterpaper, 12pt]
| #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage[paperwidth=8.5in, paperheight=11in,
hmargin=0.5in, vmargin=0.5in]{geometry}
`
Grant Rettke | ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM
g...@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/
“Wisdom begins in wonder.” --Socrates
((λ (x) (x x)) (λ (x) (x x)))
“Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop
taking it seriously.” --Thompson
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:15 PM, David Masterson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm doing my first paper in Org and outputting it to PDF. So far, it's
> been pretty easy and the results look quite good. The one issue that
> I'm wondering about is "page setup". The output looks like it was done
> with ~2.5" margins all around which means that, on an 8.5"x11" paper,
> almost 5" is wasted.
>
> How do I control the page margins that Org uses in its Latex/PDF output?
> --
> David Masterson
> Programmer At Large
>
>
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
Karl Voit writes: > "why should I learn Emacs/Org-mode?" Good practices (or cases) of use might be much more useful. IMHO
Re: [O] org-article.cls generated empty after tangling
Aloha Onur, Good news. Glad to hear Org mode is working for you. All the best, Tom Onur Solmaz writes: > Ah yes, I somehow missed that section. I can now do the stuff I intended > to do, thanks. > On Jun 27, 2014 6:14 PM, "Thomas S. Dye" wrote: > >> Aloha Onur, >> >> Onur Solmaz writes: >> >> > Ah, so this example is for org-mode < 8? >> > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/examples/article-class.html >> > I got confused because on some sites, it explicitly says for version < 8, >> > like this one: >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html. >> > >> > I just want to export a latex document which has source code, and I want >> it >> > to have numbered lines + more decorations if possible. Is it? >> >> Yes, the example is for Org mode < 8. >> >> See the Org mode manual Section 11.3, Literal examples, for how to have >> numbered lines with source code blocks and to have them fontified in the >> buffer. >> >> See the variable org-latex-listings for the various ways to export >> source code blocks. You'll probably also want to explore the two LaTeX >> packages listings and minted, as well, depending on your export >> requirements. >> >> hth, >> Tom >> >> -- >> T.S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists >> 735 Bishop St, Suite 315, Honolulu, HI 96813 >> Tel: 808-529-0866, Fax: 808-529-0884 >> http://www.tsdye.com >> > Ah yes, I somehow missed that section. I can now do the stuff I > intended to do, thanks. > > On Jun 27, 2014 6:14 PM, "Thomas S. Dye" wrote: > > Aloha Onur, > > Onur Solmaz writes: > > > Ah, so this example is for org-mode < 8? > > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/examples/article-class.html > > I got confused because on some sites, it explicitly says for > version < 8, > > like this one: > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html. > > > > I just want to export a latex document which has source code, > and I want it > > to have numbered lines + more decorations if possible. Is it? > > Yes, the example is for Org mode < 8. > > See the Org mode manual Section 11.3, Literal examples, for how to > have > numbered lines with source code blocks and to have them fontified > in the > buffer. > > See the variable org-latex-listings for the various ways to export > source code blocks. You'll probably also want to explore the two > LaTeX > packages listings and minted, as well, depending on your export > requirements. > > hth, > Tom > > -- > T.S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists > 735 Bishop St, Suite 315, Honolulu, HI 96813 > Tel: 808-529-0866, Fax: 808-529-0884 > http://www.tsdye.com > -- T.S. Dye & Colleagues, Archaeologists 735 Bishop St, Suite 315, Honolulu, HI 96813 Tel: 808-529-0866, Fax: 808-529-0884 http://www.tsdye.com
[O] export-and-view odt
On my system with the latest org on Fedora, export-as-odt-and-open was not opening in an external problem for me, despite changing org-file-apps appropriately. In the code I found a 'system parameter that was breaking it, but I'm not sure why it was working for other people. You can see the details and my solution on SO, and anyone with an explanation would be welcome. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24434854/emacs-org-odt-export-as-odf-and-open-odt-outside-emacs
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
> Von: Karl Voit > Organisation: www.karl-voit.at > Antworten an: Karl Voit > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 16:28:47 +0200 > An: > Betreff: Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > * M wrote: >> >> Yes, in fact that's what I wanted to say: >> often (in my experience) a USP is not a single feature, but the combination >> of several ones which makes the product unique. > > This was also my concern: maybe it's the combination and not a list > of USPs I was hoping for. > > Hm. > > However, this does not offer a quick win for those "why should I > learn Emacs/Org-mode" as I was wishing for. So I still have to > explain all those different features and hope that people understand > the great power of combining them. > > To me, in the beginning I was not able to get the power of Org-mode > as well. I tended to think in boxes like its todo/task-feature or > its calendar or the note taking feature or or or. And not: and, > and, and, and everything combined. You made a good point: * integration of tasks with calendar and "content" (notes, text, attachments, etc.) is also a strong point of org-mode * Using hyperlinks is another important feature (but certainly not unique) What about trying to collect and comment the good features in WORG? I think the best thing to compare different tools is making a list with features and mark which tools support which ones. I assume there is already such a list for dependencies: I think TaskCoach can handle them as well and it's also free and platform independent: http://taskcoach.org/ Kind regards Martin
Re: [O] Org Export Latex Hyperref Options Format
Joseph Vidal-Rosset writes: > Hello, > I meet problems to customize this variable via M-x customize-variable : > Org Export Latex Hyperref Options Format > I mean that the hypersetup options do not change in my .tex file after the > export from an org-file. > > Does it correspond to a bug? Hello Joseph, I had the same problem some time ago. That variable has been removed in recent Org versions, and you probably have (like me) an old built-in Org "shadowed" by a new Elpa Org. You should ignore that variable. See previous discussion and some advices here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/77193 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/77241 Kindest regards, Andrea
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
* M wrote: > > Yes, in fact that's what I wanted to say: > often (in my experience) a USP is not a single feature, but the combination > of several ones which makes the product unique. This was also my concern: maybe it's the combination and not a list of USPs I was hoping for. Hm. However, this does not offer a quick win for those "why should I learn Emacs/Org-mode" as I was wishing for. So I still have to explain all those different features and hope that people understand the great power of combining them. To me, in the beginning I was not able to get the power of Org-mode as well. I tended to think in boxes like its todo/task-feature or its calendar or the note taking feature or or or. And not: and, and, and, and everything combined. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
* M wrote: > > My-life-organized seems to have dependencies: > > http://productivity.stackexchange.com/questions/7038/task-management-applica > tion-with-task-dependencies > > OmniFocus seems to have them too: > " Because OmniFocus lets you make certain tasks dependent on others Task A > has to be completed before Task B you only see those items you can > actually do. It filters out everything else so you don¹t get distracted when > picking what¹s next." > source: http://tyler.io/2010/10/how-i-use-omnifocus-to-organize-my-life/ Oh, thanks for sharing this! I have a certain blind spot on the Mac platform because I was not using OS X before 2005 or so and with a very limited set of tools afterward. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
> Von: Karl Voit > Organisation: www.karl-voit.at > Antworten an: Karl Voit > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:13:05 +0200 > An: > Betreff: Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > Hi Martin! > > * M wrote: >> >>> Von: Karl Voit >>> * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as >>> "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" >>> (org-depend) >>> > > Dependencies are not available except for full-blown > project-management software which do have their overhead. At least I > could not find anything satisfying yet. Please do tell me, which > task/todo-management system is able to do this in a reasonable way. > My-life-organized seems to have dependencies: http://productivity.stackexchange.com/questions/7038/task-management-applica tion-with-task-dependencies OmniFocus seems to have them too: " Because OmniFocus lets you make certain tasks dependent on others Task A has to be completed before Task B you only see those items you can actually do. It filters out everything else so you don¹t get distracted when picking what¹s next." source: http://tyler.io/2010/10/how-i-use-omnifocus-to-organize-my-life/ Kind regards Martin
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
> Von: Rainer M Krug > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:41:14 +0200 > An: Karl Voit > Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" > Betreff: Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > > > Envoyé de mon iPhone good idea what to add to this list >> as well. So: add it :-) > > The UPS is probably that it can do ALL these things - in which task manager > can you include and chain different code snippets together? I think org is the > only one. > > But this leads to the other point: org is a Swiss Army knife with integrated > power drill and tooling machines to build new tools you don't know you need > but without which you won't be able to love without afterwards. And did I > mention the hidden gems? I just discovered the whole reference citation. > Again: which task manager can be used to write a publishable scientific paper? > > So the uniqueness of org is that it can do many things and you only have to > learn one toolset for this. > > Cheers, > > Rainer Hi Rainer, Yes, in fact that's what I wanted to say: often (in my experience) a USP is not a single feature, but the combination of several ones which makes the product unique. Kind regards Martin
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
Envoyé de mon iPhone > Le 28 juin 2014 à 13:43, Karl Voit a écrit : > > Hi! > > I was wondering if there are people out there who also need Org-mode > features that are *not part of any other software solution*. For the > usual question "why should I learn Emacs/Org-mode?" I'd like to have > a list of cool Org-mode features that demonstrate the benefit. > > So, how about a short brainstorming here and a new Worg-page > collecting those things? > > I start with: > > * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and > more at one single place > > * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to > another script in language B (babel) > > * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as > "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" > (org-depend) > > > ... I am sure, you have a pretty good idea what to add to this list > as well. So: add it :-) The UPS is probably that it can do ALL these things - in which task manager can you include and chain different code snippets together? I think org is the only one. But this leads to the other point: org is a Swiss Army knife with integrated power drill and tooling machines to build new tools you don't know you need but without which you won't be able to love without afterwards. And did I mention the hidden gems? I just discovered the whole reference citation. Again: which task manager can be used to write a publishable scientific paper? So the uniqueness of org is that it can do many things and you only have to learn one toolset for this. Cheers, Rainer > > -- > mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: >> get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < > > https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github > >
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
Hi Karl, good points. I did not want to say, that org-mode has no USPS. I just wanted to emphasize, that in the original definition of a "real" USP (at least from my understanding) there should be not other product which has this feature. As there is a very large and constantly growing number of tools on the market, it might be very difficult to know them all - so your community-based approch is absolutely preferable. concerning dependencies: I'm not sure, but I think that OmniFocucs also has them, but I'm not sure. What about tracking those USP/KSP in a shared document in WORG? I tried to set up one, but as a newbie, I'm not sure how to link it to the others. http://orgmode.org/w/worg.git?p=worg.git;a=blob;f=why-use-orgmode.org;h=5863 d41a6a6f8c3c2b6658748e1d74cc2506207f;hb=7c92042868e3d5353498abbf22fb48fed293 35cb Kind regards Martin > Von: Karl Voit > Organisation: www.karl-voit.at > Antworten an: Karl Voit > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:13:05 +0200 > An: > Betreff: Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > Hi Martin! > > * M wrote: >> >>> Von: Karl Voit >>> >>> * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and >>> more at one single place >>> >>> * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to >>> another script in language B (babel) >>> >>> * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as >>> "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" >>> (org-depend) >>> > >> that's a very good idea. However, really _unique_ selling points might be >> difficult to find. > > I am more positive here :-) > >> For your first one I'm not sure, but dependencies are >> available in other tools to, so it's not a true USP. > > The seamless integration might be also true for MS OneNote, you're > probably right. However, there might be major things to add to the > list which OneNote is not able to handle in that combination. > > Dependencies are not available except for full-blown > project-management software which do have their overhead. At least I > could not find anything satisfying yet. Please do tell me, which > task/todo-management system is able to do this in a reasonable way. > >> You have to know all "competitors" and their features to be sure it is a >> true (unique!) USP. This is nearly impossible. > > I think I know most tools out there, tried many, many, many of them > by myself over the previous decades. However, I can not know > everything - I know. As a result, I am trying this > collective/combined approach with this thread and (probably later > on) a Worg page. > > I am confident that Org-mode has a number of USPs. > >> Some more key selling points form someone who still tries to learn emacs >> just for using org-mode: > > A absolutely agree on your list. On the one side, I tend to think > that we've got those lists already in various > feature-highlight-lists. On the other side, I am not aware of a list > of Org-mode USPs that *no* other tool provides. > > -- > mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: >> get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < > > https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github > >
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
Hi Martin! * M wrote: > >> Von: Karl Voit >> >> * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and >> more at one single place >> >> * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to >> another script in language B (babel) >> >> * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as >> "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" >> (org-depend) >> > that's a very good idea. However, really _unique_ selling points might be > difficult to find. I am more positive here :-) > For your first one I'm not sure, but dependencies are > available in other tools to, so it's not a true USP. The seamless integration might be also true for MS OneNote, you're probably right. However, there might be major things to add to the list which OneNote is not able to handle in that combination. Dependencies are not available except for full-blown project-management software which do have their overhead. At least I could not find anything satisfying yet. Please do tell me, which task/todo-management system is able to do this in a reasonable way. > You have to know all "competitors" and their features to be sure it is a > true (unique!) USP. This is nearly impossible. I think I know most tools out there, tried many, many, many of them by myself over the previous decades. However, I can not know everything - I know. As a result, I am trying this collective/combined approach with this thread and (probably later on) a Worg page. I am confident that Org-mode has a number of USPs. > Some more key selling points form someone who still tries to learn emacs > just for using org-mode: A absolutely agree on your list. On the one side, I tend to think that we've got those lists already in various feature-highlight-lists. On the other side, I am not aware of a list of Org-mode USPs that *no* other tool provides. -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
> Von: Karl Voit > Organisation: www.karl-voit.at > Antworten an: Karl Voit > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 13:43:31 +0200 > An: > Betreff: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > Hi! > > I was wondering if there are people out there who also need Org-mode > features that are *not part of any other software solution*. For the > usual question "why should I learn Emacs/Org-mode?" I'd like to have > a list of cool Org-mode features that demonstrate the benefit. > > So, how about a short brainstorming here and a new Worg-page > collecting those things? > > I start with: > > * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and > more at one single place > > * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to > another script in language B (babel) > > * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as > "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" > (org-depend) > Hi Karl, that's a very good idea. However, really _unique_ selling points might be difficult to find. For your first one I'm not sure, but dependencies are available in other tools to, so it's not a true USP. You have to know all "competitors" and their features to be sure it is a true (unique!) USP. This is nearly impossible. Some more key selling points form someone who still tries to learn emacs just for using org-mode: * platform independent - available for Windows, UNIX and MacOS * free * tagging * powerful filtering and creation of "views" (agendas) from different perspectives * 110% customizable with scripting and keybindings * built on a very robust and well developed application (Emascs) * many other modules and extensions thanks to Emacs * all the above with simple plain text format - easy to save, DIFF and version control * defining custom templates for new notes/tasks/projects... * tasks and projects can be broken down hierarchically into subtasks with no limit in depth * powerful and customizable export * time clocking Martin
[O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode
Hi! I was wondering if there are people out there who also need Org-mode features that are *not part of any other software solution*. For the usual question "why should I learn Emacs/Org-mode?" I'd like to have a list of cool Org-mode features that demonstrate the benefit. So, how about a short brainstorming here and a new Worg-page collecting those things? I start with: * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and more at one single place * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to another script in language B (babel) * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" (org-depend) ... I am sure, you have a pretty good idea what to add to this list as well. So: add it :-) -- mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: > get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github
