date:20201130

Jean Louis  writes:
> * Ihor Radchenko  [2020-11-30 12:31]:
>> I can see that you have implemented many of the suggested commands
>> yourself. Why don't you just propose patches extending the functionality
>> you desire?
>
> Good question, I have no idea in this moment why not. Maybe I just
> make a function that works for me and is not that easy to provide a
> patch that enhances some Org functionality. Example is sending Org
> tasks by email, if somebody of developers wish to do that they can
> do. For me is concept more important than specific function. Concept
> of being able to send any object from anywhere to anybody is more
> important than functions. Then if developers have different concepts
> and do not think of sending or sharing objects, then those are
> colliding minds and different experiences. I need to put more effort
> to write it why, how, where, what, then to write the function itself
> that just works. That is reason why people make separate packages.

I would like to remind you that all the Emacs and org-mode development
is only volunteer-based. As a result, people implement things they are
interested in and they have spare time for. If the features you find
useful are not implemented, there are at least three possibilities:

1. Others do not use them and do not need them.
   In such a case, you can just implement the desired functionality
   privately.

2. Others would find the feature useful, but they never thought of it.
   You can send a feature request to this mailing list. If people are
   interested, they can find time to make that feature into org-mode.
   Or you can provide patches.

3. Others would like to have the features, but did not get time to do
   it.
   Again, patches welcome.

In any scenario, it would be useful to send feature request/patch to
this mailing list:

 1. You will let others know about your ideas
 2. You might get new ideas what can improve your workflow or even find
some superior approach that makes your feature obsolete
 3. You can get the feature into org-mode, likely improved in the
process

Important note: it is not very useful to dump all the ideas into a
single email in the above scenario. The suggestion would more likely be
noticed if one idea/feature is limited to a single thread.

Best,
Ihor

Re: Adding Org Files to org-agenda-files

Jean Louis  writes:

> We write tasks in their most logical chronological order and every
> staff member is instructed to follow the order. One simply cannot
> drive a car without putting petrol first, so that system is
> followed. Some tasks on the ground can be done without chronological
> order and our staff members are left to decide on that. When they
> arrive to town and need to buy timber, maybe carpenter is discovered
> right there while the task says that once they arrive to village that
> they should look for carpenter. What is NEXT is mostly practically
> decided while doing things at my side.

But what if the road to village is blocked by weather conditions? Should
the staff members just stop doing the project and wait until the road
becomes accessible? That sounds not very efficient. If all the tasks
that one can start doing at current stage of the project are marked
NEXT, instead of waiting for the blocked tasks, one can simply choose
another NEXT task and get some progress on the project despite the first
tasks cannot be done at this moment.

> Interesting complication (Edna) that is supposed to be useful. Before
> constructing the series of those tasks user would need to construct
> series of tasks to construct series of tasks.
>
> Concept is great: This task can be completed only when tasks 1, 4 and
> 7 are completed. But practical life is different. When conducting
> projects staff members may discover on ground that dependable task can
> be completed without 1, 4 and 7 being completed as one could not
> predict future randomity. It may be also discovered that those 1, 4
> and 7 are not true dependencies but some other tasks. This would imply
> that planner must know very well future incidents which is rarely the
> case as it would be so easy to predict future one would not be writing
> tasks.

This can indeed be problem, especially if one tries to create too
detailed dependencies. However, some very standard procedures might
still benefit from this. For example, safety checklists might be the
case when such task dependencies do make sense. Both the checklist and
the dependency can be pre-defined as a capture template and then used in
different projects serving as a reminder for necessary actions.

I personally use very simple edna dependencies - when there is a book
series or a movie/documentary split into several series, I sometimes
block the later series until I watch earlier:

https://github.com/yantar92/emacs-config/blob/master/config.org#task-dependencies

In any case, I suggested this package simply as an example how to make
all subheadings become TODO as soon as one changes the parent to TODO
state. 

> It is useful in trees and it should be an org built-in to mark all
> children nodes with the tag. It becomes very trivial when using
> database with nodes having a parent:
>
> ,
> | UPDATE hlinks SET hlinks_tags = 'TODO' WHERE hlinks_parent = THIS ONE;
> `
>
> But rather a function would be used or type assigned. The above is
> only example that shows how complex hard coded Elisp functions can be
> replaced with 3-4 lines single function when database is a backend.

Why do you think that analogous Elisp function would be complex?

(defun yant/trigger-children (arg)
  "Change all the children to TODO when parent is TODO."
  (when (and (eq (plist-get arg :type) 'todo-state-change)
 (not (boundp 'trigger-children-progress))
 (string= (plist-get arg :to) "TODO"))
(let (trigger-children-progress)
  (org-map-tree (lambda () (org-todo "TODO"))
(add-hook 'org-trigger-hook #'yant/trigger-children)

> No wonder this guy has put Org mode in a sandwich on the logo of
> SMOS. It eats the Org.
>
> SMOS - A Comprehensive Self-Management System
> https://smos.cs-syd.eu/features

As for me, SMOS is too inflexible in comparison with org-mode. See 
https://old.reddit.com/r/orgmode/comments/ivlczu/smos_a_comprehensive_selfmanagement_tool/

Best,
Ihor

Re: How to preserve empty headings

2020-11-30 Thread Berry, Charles

> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Diego Zamboni  wrote:
> 
> What are RET and C-j bound to?
> 
> In my setup, RET is bound to =org-return=, which does not delete spaces, but 
> C-j is bound to =org-return-and-maybe-indent=, which does. So I have the 
> opposite behavior as yours.
> 

Probably you have `electric-indent-mode' set to nil.

C-j is org-return-and-maybe-indent.

RET is org-return.

If I read the docstrings correctly, org-return (thru org--newline) and 
org-return-and-indent-maybe both trefer to electric-indent-mode, but in 
opposite manner (nil vs. t).

Chuck

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Re: Org-GCal ?

2020-11-30 Thread David Masterson

Peter Hardy  writes:

> David Masterson writes:
>> My issue is (CMIAW) that
>> org-gcal seems to have a 1 to 1 connection between a Google calendar and
>> an Org file (org-gcal-file-alist).  I'm trying to figure out how to use
>> this when my workflow is split across many Org files.
>
> Have you considered using org-caldav instead? It can sync across several
> org files - events created in org can live in any of them, while events
> created in gcal will be synced to an inbox file, and can be easily
> moved.
>
> I haven't personally tried it syncing with gcal, but it claims to
> work. And a superficial read of both org-gcal and org-caldav READMEs
> suggest they use the same authentication workflow.
>
> https://github.com/dengste/org-caldav

I'm keeping an eye on that, but I haven't figured it out yet.

-- 
David Masterson

Re: Org-GCal ?

2020-11-30 Thread David Masterson

Neil Jerram  writes:

> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 00:49, David Masterson  
> wrote:
>
>  Anyone using org-gcal?  I just got it hooked up and am now trying to
>  figure out how to fit it into my workflow.  My issue is (CMIAW) that
>  org-gcal seems to have a 1 to 1 connection between a Google calendar and
>  an Org file (org-gcal-file-alist).
>
> That was my observation too: it generates and maintains one .org file per 
> Google calendar.
>
> How does that create a problem for you? 

My workflow has a number of Org files (one per ~project) with
tasks/events related to the project in the associated Org file. Agenda
can pull all the tasks together, so it seemed a natural workflow.  I
wasn't thinking of creating a calendar per project as they are not
worthy of that -- one calendar would do to share my events with the
family. 

-- 
David Masterson

Re: How to preserve empty headings

2020-11-30 Thread Diego Zamboni

What are RET and C-j bound to?

In my setup, RET is bound to =org-return=, which does not delete spaces,
but C-j is bound to =org-return-and-maybe-indent=, which does. So I have
the opposite behavior as yours.

There were some recent changes in behavior of Org with respect to
electric-indent-mode (long discussion in the list), I think this might have
something to do with it but did not follow the full discussion.

Hope this helps,
--Diego


On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 7:38 PM Titus von der Malsburg 
wrote:

>
> On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best.
> >> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected.  Org sometimes
> >> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation),
> but
> >> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting
> >> text?  It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
> >>
> >
> >  Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but
> > when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an
> > empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted
> > on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was
> > using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=.
> > --Diego
>
> The space is deleted immediately.  But the fact that it’s not happening on
> your system perhaps means that there *is* a setting that prevents it.  The
> question is: which?
>
> By the way, I’m using the master branch from
> https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git as installed by straight.el.
>
>   Titus
>
>

Re: How to preserve empty headings



On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote:
>>
>> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best.
>> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected.  Org sometimes
>> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but
>> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting
>> text?  It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
>>
>
>  Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but
> when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an
> empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted
> on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was
> using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=.

Your comment has put me on the right track.  The line-final whitespace was not 
deleted by org but by electric-indent-mode, which apparently does this by 
default.

Sorry for the noise!

  Titus

Re: How to preserve empty headings

2020-11-30 Thread Tom Gillespie

This is caused by elastic-indent-mode. As foretold
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2020-11/msg00325.html.
Tom

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:38 PM Titus von der Malsburg
 wrote:
>
>
> On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote:
> >>
> >> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best.
> >> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected.  Org sometimes
> >> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but
> >> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting
> >> text?  It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
> >>
> >
> >  Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but
> > when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an
> > empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted
> > on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was
> > using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=.
> > --Diego
>
> The space is deleted immediately.  But the fact that it’s not happening on 
> your system perhaps means that there *is* a setting that prevents it.  The 
> question is: which?
>
> By the way, I’m using the master branch from 
> https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git as installed by straight.el.
>
>   Titus
>
>

Bug: Org exporter: broken-link errors can't be debugged with debug-on-error [9.3 (release_9.3 @ /usr/share/emacs/28.0.50/lisp/org/)]

2020-11-30 Thread Dima Kogan

Hi. I'm using the org included with a very recent emacs built from git.

I have a large project consisting of many .org files that I'm exporting
to html. Somewhere there's a broken link, so when I export the project I
get

  user-error: Unable to resolve link: "figures/blahblahblah.svg"

This doesn't tell me where the problem is, specifically, so to find out
I

  (setq debug-on-error t)

and go again. But something about the org code is preventing the
debugger from triggering on this. That really shouldn't be happening.
This is an error that's causing the export to give up and quit, and the
debugger should come up (when debug-on-error).

Also, it would be nice if the error message reported the source file and
line number of the bad link.

Thanks!
Please Cc me in replies; I'm not subscribed to the list.

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.23, 
cairo version 1.16.0)
 of 2020-09-29, unofficial emacs-snapshot build: http://emacs.secretsauce.net
Package: Org mode version 9.3 (release_9.3 @ /usr/share/emacs/28.0.50/lisp/org/)

Re: How to preserve empty headings



On 2020-11-30 Mon 19:25, Diego Zamboni wrote:
>>
>> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best.
>> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected.  Org sometimes
>> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but
>> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting
>> text?  It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
>>
>
>  Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but
> when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an
> empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted
> on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was
> using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=.
> --Diego

The space is deleted immediately.  But the fact that it’s not happening on your 
system perhaps means that there *is* a setting that prevents it.  The question 
is: which?

By the way, I’m using the master branch from 
https://code.orgmode.org/bzg/org-mode.git as installed by straight.el.

  Titus

Re: Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files

* Maxim Nikulin  [2020-11-30 20:10]:
> 2020-29-11 Jean Louis wrote:
> > * Maxim Nikulin [2020-11-28 18:52]:
> >
> > Any viewer should have option to quickly construct a hyperlink and
> > store it somewhere with its annotation and other meta data so that
> > such can be reused by any other program.
>
> Xpdf do not have option to construct hyperlink, it allows to execute
> arbitrary command (if context matches) and pass some parameters
> using substitutions. It is enough e.g. to copy target of the link,
> to do something with page number (construct hyperlink to this
> page). Maybe selection region could be passed to pdftotext to
> extract selection text that could be inserted to a note.

That is great reference, thank you! That allows now for PDFs to get
quickly captured.

Authors have made this command possible:

setSelection(pg,ulx,uly,lrx,lry)
Set the  selection to the specified  coordinates on the
specified page.

And external command can capture selection made with mouse. That means
one can mark the text, and annotate such in a hyperdocument and then
provide hyperlink. Once PDF is opened the selection can be
automatically highlighted.

Capturing page number becomes trivial. This is great for my research,
development of Hyperscope and generation of elementary objects such
as:

- specific pages of PDF
- specific selections of the PDF

To note is that not every PDF has text inside. They may be made from
images.

External command needs a script that will ask user how to store it. It
can be done similar to bookmarklets for org-capture.

run(external-command-string)
Run  an external  command.  The  following escapes  are
allowed in the command string:

%f => PDF file name (or an empty string if no
file is open)
%b => PDF file base name, i.e., file name minus
the extension (or an empty string if no
file is open)
%u => link URL (or an empty string if not over
a URL link)
%p => current page number (or an empty string if
no file is open)
%x => selection upper-left x coordinate
(or 0 if there is no selection)
%y => selection upper-left y coordinate
(or 0 if there is no selection)
%X => selection lower-right x coordinate
(or 0 if there is no selection)
%Y => selection lower-right y coordinate
(or 0 if there is no selection)
%i => page containing the mouse pointer
%j => x coordinate of the mouse pointer
%k => y coordinate of the mouse pointer
%% => %

The external command string  will often contain spaces,
so the whole command must be quoted in the xpdfrc file:

bind x "run(ls -l)"

That means if user prepares the ~/.xpdfrc to contain the following
line:

,
| bind ctrl-l any "run(capturexpdf.sh %f %p)"
`

and prepares `capturexpdf.sh' to be executable and contains following:

,
| #!/bin/bash
| capture="/home/data1/protected/xpdfcaptured.org"
| entry=`zenity --entry`
| hyperlink="[[$1:$2][$entry]]"
| echo $hyperlink >> $capture
`

then by pressing C-l in xpdf the hyperlink containing exact file name,
page number and hyperlink name created by using `zenity' tool will be
saved into "/home/data1/protected/xpdfcaptured.org":

Then later regardless which PDF viewer is used, as long as they
support page number access it will be possible to invoke that
different PDF viewer on elementary objects or hyperdocuments to
specific PDF file and page number.

It is great tool for researchers to quickly annotate specific PDF
pages for later references.

> Surprisingly PDF viewers built in into browser have fences
> preventing access of browser extensions to the text content. I did
> not expect such limitations.

It does not sound as progress. Evince maybe originates from xpdf but
does not have nearly these options as xpdf. We go back and become more
beautiful with software but less useful.

One big thank you for giving these references. I will extract text
from PDF files and then index such files and use relevance search to
find references to specific subjects like mining, minerals, etc. and
then those relevant pages may be opened based on the query to
construct more precise hyperlink. The activity can be performed by
several people. It also becomes possible to quickly capture PDF
hyperlink references straight into the database.

> There are extensions that offer translation of text selected in PDF
> files however. It seems they use bundled pdf.js to replace built-in
>

Re: How to preserve empty headings

2020-11-30 Thread Diego Zamboni

>
> I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best.
> However, I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected.  Org sometimes
> inserts extra material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but
> is there any precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting
> text?  It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
>

 Could it be that the space is being deleted not when you press RET but
when you save the file? I don't see any space deletion when entering an
empty headline, but in my config, whitespace at end of lines is deleted
on save. In Doom Emacs this is enabled by default, and even before I was
using =delete-trailing-whitespace= as part of my =before-save-hook=.

--Diego

Re: How to preserve empty headings



On 2020-11-30 Mon 18:31, Berry, Charles wrote:
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Titus von der Malsburg  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When I start a new line with '* ' followed by RET, the space is 
>> automatically deleted and I’m left with a line that just has the asterisk 
>> (i.e. not a headline).
>> 
>> Unfortunately there are use cases where empty headlines make sense and they 
>> occur often in my work.  One example is Beamer slides where each headline at 
>> some level produces a slide.  If the user needs a slide without title 
>> (common, e.g., for a large images that fill the slide), an empty headline is 
>> needed.
>> 
>> Is there a way to teach Org to leave the empty headline intact?
>> 
>> I may be old-fashioned but when I type '* ', I do it for a reason and I wish 
>> that my text editor respects that. :)
>> 
>
>
> Instead of `* SPACE RET', try `* SPACE C-j'.

I’m aware of several workarounds and this one is perhaps the best.  However, 
I’d prefer if RET would just work as expected.  Org sometimes inserts extra 
material on RET which I think is okay (e.g. indentation), but is there any 
precedent, in Org or Emacs more broadly, for RET deleting text?  It seems very 
counter-intuitive to me.

  Titus

Re: How to preserve empty headings

2020-11-30 Thread Berry, Charles



> On Nov 30, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Titus von der Malsburg  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> When I start a new line with '* ' followed by RET, the space is automatically 
> deleted and I’m left with a line that just has the asterisk (i.e. not a 
> headline).
> 
> Unfortunately there are use cases where empty headlines make sense and they 
> occur often in my work.  One example is Beamer slides where each headline at 
> some level produces a slide.  If the user needs a slide without title 
> (common, e.g., for a large images that fill the slide), an empty headline is 
> needed.
> 
> Is there a way to teach Org to leave the empty headline intact?
> 
> I may be old-fashioned but when I type '* ', I do it for a reason and I wish 
> that my text editor respects that. :)
> 


Instead of `* SPACE RET', try `* SPACE C-j'.

This works for me and leaves a blank heading intact through export.

HTH,

Chuck

How to preserve empty headings



When I start a new line with '* ' followed by RET, the space is automatically 
deleted and I’m left with a line that just has the asterisk (i.e. not a 
headline).

Unfortunately there are use cases where empty headlines make sense and they 
occur often in my work.  One example is Beamer slides where each headline at 
some level produces a slide.  If the user needs a slide without title (common, 
e.g., for a large images that fill the slide), an empty headline is needed.

Is there a way to teach Org to leave the empty headline intact?

I may be old-fashioned but when I type '* ', I do it for a reason and I wish 
that my text editor respects that. :)

  Titus

Re: Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files

2020-11-30 Thread Maxim Nikulin

2020-29-11 Jean Louis wrote:

* Maxim Nikulin [2020-11-28 18:52]:

Any viewer should have option to quickly construct a hyperlink and
store it somewhere with its annotation and other meta data so that
such can be reused by any other program.

Xpdf do not have option to construct hyperlink, it allows to execute
arbitrary command (if context matches) and pass some parameters using
substitutions. It is enough e.g. to copy target of the link, to do
something with page number (construct hyperlink to this page). Maybe
selection region could be passed to pdftotext to extract selection text
that could be inserted to a note.

Surprisingly PDF viewers built in into browser have fences preventing
access of browser extensions to the text content. I did not expect such
limitations. There are extensions that offer translation of text
selected in PDF files however. It seems they use bundled pdf.js to
replace built-in viewer. Unsure that JS working with PDF file runs in
proper security context. I expected a robust way for integration with
note taking applications.

De facto, extensions should communicate with HTTP servers, to
protect users, access to filesystem is not allowed any more.

Alright, only if it would be that secure, then this type of advise
would not be there:

How to Run a More Secure Browser
https://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/handbook/RunSecureBrowser/

Just one problem, if one uses a browser extension that works with local
files then he have content accessible by extensions. Another extension
could do something bad with such files. Mozilla XUL extensions were very
powerful and had access to file system. It is impossible to ensure that
there is no malicious extensions in the add-on catalog. XUL was dropped,
chrome extension API has been adopted. File system is protected against
bad extensions, extensions have to keep user data on some server. Only
local files are protected, security model for requests to remote servers
is quite poor. It is funny, that attempts to allow web applications to
work with local files are not stopped, unsure if I have heard about this
particular proposal earlier or it is another one:
https://web.dev/file-system-access/

In the previous message I was writing about very specific problem:
extension author could put code that steal files or ruin them. To solve
it, extension developers were force to store user content on a remote
server instead of local files. I do not think it is significantly safer.

And finally, running browser under a different user is likely not
enough. Browser for working with "external" resources should be isolated
from home or office network (network namespace, container, virtual
machine). There are enough web sites that checks which ports are open at
least on the localhost. Local network could be scanned through browser
as well.

In principle, any paragraph could be addressed using
XPath
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/XPath/Introduction_to_using_XPath_in_JavaScript
but it is extremely fragile since link will be likely invalid after
web site redesign or modification of the text.

...
From the above link on XPath I have not figured out yet how to
generate a hyperlink to specific paragraph. I may spend days until I
figure it out.

Page inspector in developer tools has a context menu entry to copy XPath
to particular element. Likely you will prefer to generate link in a more
smart and stable way, e,g, by looking for an element with id attribute
nearby and construct a link relative to it. Maybe it is possible to
implement protocol handler for custom scheme with XPath references

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Navigator/registerProtocolHandler

My surprise was
big when I realized that Org is there with features to manage tasks
but does not offer feature to "send the task".

In my opinion, you have demonstrated that emacs and org mode are
powerful enough to allow users to implement rather specific workflow
with a quite small piece of code. It may be a dedicated package but I do
not think it worth including such features to the base set. Docs will be
longer than the code. Personally, I would expect export-based solution
that strips comments, takes email addresses from some properties and
saves messages to the draft folder for review before sending them.

Re[2]: set source directory for org-attach

2020-11-30 Thread Gyro Funch


Thank you, Ihor.

That is very helpful.

Kind regards,
gyro


-- Original Message --
From: "Ihor Radchenko" 
To: "gyro funch" ; emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Sent: 11/29/2020 6:21:27 PM
Subject: Re: set source directory for org-attach


gyro funch  writes:

 I am probably missing something obvious, but is there a way to set the
 default source directory for attachments?


Not by default. I am using the following advice (requires helm and f.el):

(defvar yant/org-attach-default-source "~/Downloads/"
  "Default directory to attach the files from.")

(define-advice org-attach-attach (:around (oldfun files  args) 
start-from-default-directory)
  "Look for new attachments from `yant/org-attach-default-source' directory instead 
of `default-directory'."
  (interactive
   (list
(mapcar #'directory-file-name (helm-read-file-name "File to keep as an 
attachment:"
   :initial-input (or (progn

(require 'dired-aux)

(dired-dwim-target-directory))
  (and 
yant/org-attach-default-source
   
(f-slash yant/org-attach-default-source))
  
default-directory)
   :marked-candidates t))
current-prefix-arg
nil))
  (unless (listp files) (setq files (list files)))
  (mapc (lambda (file) (apply oldfun file args)) files))

Best,
Ihor

[FYI] valign.el: Align tables containing variable-pitch font and the like

2020-11-30 Thread Marco Wahl

Hi!

Yuan Fu proposed valign.el to be included in ELPA over at the emacs
devel newsgroup.

If you like aligned tables containing non-monospace items then valign.el
might be something like. valign.el does a good job AFAICS.

The project repo is https://github.com/casouri/valign.


Best regards,
-- 
Marco

Re: difficulty extracting email address from property field containing gmail link

2020-11-30 Thread John Kitchin

I think code like this would also work:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(let* ((url "
https://mail.google.com/mail?view=cm=1=duncan...@indeedemail.com;)
   (struct (url-generic-parse-url url))
   (filename (url-filename struct)))

  (cadr (assoc "to" (url-parse-query-string filename
#+END_SRC


John

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 7:51 AM Ian Garmaise  wrote:

> Thanks Kyle, got it to work this way:
>
> #+BEGIN: propview :cols ((car (s-split " " ITEM))  (s-chop-prefix "gmail:"
> (my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS)))  :id "candidates" :match
> "testthis" :wrap example
> | (car (s-split " " ITEM)) | (s-chop-prefix "gmail:"
> (my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS)) |
>
> |--+-|
> | "Ciara"  | "ciarax...@gmail.com"
>|
> | "Duncan" | "duncanx...@indeedemail.com"
>  |
>
> Thanks a million!
>
> Ian
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:39 PM Kyle Meyer  wrote:
>
>> Ian Garmaise writes:
>>
>> > This is working well, except for the property used for the email
>> address.
>> > Unfortunately, I stored this as a gmail link.  This makes it difficult
>> to
>> > extract the actual email address using org-collector as follows:
>> >
>> > #+BEGIN: propview :cols ((car (s-split " " ITEM))  EMAIL_ADDRESS)  :id
>> > "candidates" :match "testthis" :wrap example
>> >
>> > the result produced looks like this:
>> >
>> > | (car (s-split " " ITEM)) | EMAIL_ADDRESS
>>  |
>> >
>> |--+-|
>> > | "Ciara"  | [[
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=ciaraxyz@gmail\.com]]
>>|
>> > | "Duncan" | [[
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=duncanxyz@indeedemail\.com]]
>> |
>> >
>> > I have looked at several methods that I found on the web to extract the
>> > email address from the link in the property, but haven't yet found a
>> > solution that I could get to work.  Still building up my elisp skillset,
>> > would appreciate suggestions.
>>
>> I've never used org-collector, but quickly trying to wire up a function
>> to extract the email part of the text you show, I suspect some of the
>> trouble you're having is that the value comes in as a vector because
>> org-propview-collect processes it with org-babel-read.  So perhaps
>> something like this would get you on the right track:
>>
>>   (require 'subr-x)
>>
>>   (defun my/extract-email-from-link (value)
>> (setq value (format "%S" value))
>> (when-let ((link (and (string-match org-link-bracket-re value)
>>   (org-link-unescape
>>(match-string-no-properties 1 value)
>>   (thread-last
>>   link
>> (replace-regexp-in-string
>>  (rx string-start (one-or-more not-newline) "to="
>>  (group (one-or-more not-newline)) string-end)
>>  "\\1")
>> (replace-regexp-in-string (rx "\\.") "."
>>
>>
>> --8<---cut here---start->8---
>> #+BEGIN: propview :cols ((car (s-split " " ITEM))
>> (my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS)) :id global
>> | (car (s-split " " ITEM)) | (my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS) |
>> |--+|
>> | "Ciara"  | "ciara...@gmail.com"   |
>> | "Duncan" | "duncan...@indeedemail.com"|
>> |--+|
>> |  ||
>> #+END:
>>
>> * Ciara
>> :PROPERTIES:
>> :EMAIL_ADDRESS: [[
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=ciaraxyz@gmail\.com]]
>> :END:
>>
>> * Duncan
>> :PROPERTIES:
>> :EMAIL_ADDRESS: [[
>> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=duncanxyz@indeedemail\.com
>> ]]
>> :END:
>> --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>>
>
>
> --
> =
> Ian Garmaise
> Consultant
> Phorix Solutions Group
> ia...@phorixsol.com
> Toronto cell: 416.432.2251
> NYC: 917.512.9535
>
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>
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Re: difficulty extracting email address from property field containing gmail link

2020-11-30 Thread Ian Garmaise

Thanks Kyle, got it to work this way:

#+BEGIN: propview :cols ((car (s-split " " ITEM))  (s-chop-prefix "gmail:"
(my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS)))  :id "candidates" :match
"testthis" :wrap example
| (car (s-split " " ITEM)) | (s-chop-prefix "gmail:"
(my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS)) |
|--+-|
| "Ciara"  | "ciarax...@gmail.com"
 |
| "Duncan" | "duncanx...@indeedemail.com"
   |

Thanks a million!

Ian


On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 10:39 PM Kyle Meyer  wrote:

> Ian Garmaise writes:
>
> > This is working well, except for the property used for the email address.
> > Unfortunately, I stored this as a gmail link.  This makes it difficult to
> > extract the actual email address using org-collector as follows:
> >
> > #+BEGIN: propview :cols ((car (s-split " " ITEM))  EMAIL_ADDRESS)  :id
> > "candidates" :match "testthis" :wrap example
> >
> > the result produced looks like this:
> >
> > | (car (s-split " " ITEM)) | EMAIL_ADDRESS
>  |
> >
> |--+-|
> > | "Ciara"  | [[
> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=ciaraxyz@gmail\.com]]
>|
> > | "Duncan" | [[
> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=duncanxyz@indeedemail\.com]]
> |
> >
> > I have looked at several methods that I found on the web to extract the
> > email address from the link in the property, but haven't yet found a
> > solution that I could get to work.  Still building up my elisp skillset,
> > would appreciate suggestions.
>
> I've never used org-collector, but quickly trying to wire up a function
> to extract the email part of the text you show, I suspect some of the
> trouble you're having is that the value comes in as a vector because
> org-propview-collect processes it with org-babel-read.  So perhaps
> something like this would get you on the right track:
>
>   (require 'subr-x)
>
>   (defun my/extract-email-from-link (value)
> (setq value (format "%S" value))
> (when-let ((link (and (string-match org-link-bracket-re value)
>   (org-link-unescape
>(match-string-no-properties 1 value)
>   (thread-last
>   link
> (replace-regexp-in-string
>  (rx string-start (one-or-more not-newline) "to="
>  (group (one-or-more not-newline)) string-end)
>  "\\1")
> (replace-regexp-in-string (rx "\\.") "."
>
>
> --8<---cut here---start->8---
> #+BEGIN: propview :cols ((car (s-split " " ITEM))
> (my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS)) :id global
> | (car (s-split " " ITEM)) | (my/extract-email-from-link EMAIL_ADDRESS) |
> |--+|
> | "Ciara"  | "ciara...@gmail.com"   |
> | "Duncan" | "duncan...@indeedemail.com"|
> |--+|
> |  ||
> #+END:
>
> * Ciara
> :PROPERTIES:
> :EMAIL_ADDRESS: [[
> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=ciaraxyz@gmail\.com]]
> :END:
>
> * Duncan
> :PROPERTIES:
> :EMAIL_ADDRESS: [[
> https://mail.google.com/mail/?view=cm=1=duncanxyz@indeedemail\.com]]
> :END:
> --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>


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Re: One vs many directories

Jean Louis  writes:
> You could record on some of free hostings that respect users' freedom
> that refrain of coercing non-free javascript such as:
>
> Open.tube upload
> https://open.tube/videos/upload

Thanks for this reference.

You also mentioned hypothes.is earlier. Do you know if there is any
similar software allowing to store data locally without a need to create
account and trust the service for storing all the personal notes?

Best,
Ihor

Re: One vs many directories

Jean Louis  writes:
> You could record on some of free hostings that respect users' freedom
> that refrain of coercing non-free javascript such as:
>
> Open.tube upload
> https://open.tube/videos/upload

Thanks for this reference.

You also mentioned hypothes.is earlier. Do you know if there is any
similar software allowing to store data locally without a need to create
account and trust the service for storing all the personal notes?

Best,
Ihor

Re: Multiple named code blocks

2020-11-30 Thread mooss

Hi Diego,

This feature does indeed what I need, I will update my code with it.
Thank you for your help.

Best regards,
Félix

Re: Multiple named code blocks

2020-11-30 Thread mooss

Hi Greg,

I don't know why I missed this, it is exactly what I needed.
Thank you for your help.

Best regards,
Félix

Re: Org-GCal ?

2020-11-30 Thread Peter Hardy

David Masterson writes:
> My issue is (CMIAW) that
> org-gcal seems to have a 1 to 1 connection between a Google calendar and
> an Org file (org-gcal-file-alist).  I'm trying to figure out how to use
> this when my workflow is split across many Org files.

Have you considered using org-caldav instead? It can sync across several
org files - events created in org can live in any of them, while events
created in gcal will be synced to an inbox file, and can be easily
moved.

I haven't personally tried it syncing with gcal, but it claims to
work. And a superficial read of both org-gcal and org-caldav READMEs
suggest they use the same authentication workflow.

https://github.com/dengste/org-caldav

--
Peter

Re: Remembrance Agents

* Gerardo Moro  [2020-11-30 14:17]:
> > * Gerardo Moro  [2020-11-30 09:49]:
> > > Thanks! I get an idea. Will try to use soon and let you know.
> > > Thanks for the links, very helpful.
> > > Question: when you say it uses emails, can it read any email database (I
> > > have old ones from Microsoft outlook both Mac and Windows)? What if you
> > > only use webmail, in which format shall you feed the RA?
> >
> > I think that all those formats can be converted to something you could
> > be using centrally on your computer.
> >
> > I am recommending Maildir format. But that would depend of your email
> > client that you use.
> >
> 
> My emails are in format .emlx which is only readable by MAIL. I also have
> used Windows' Microsoft Office which stores I think in PLIST format.
> Is it possible to convert them to Maildir format? I don't know how any
> search software could search within those files if they are not converted.

emlx2maildir convert emlx format to maildir
http://mike.laiosa.org/software/emlx2maildir/

There must be PLIST converters too.

Life will become easy with maildir, but I do not know which email
software you use. I am using mutt, not Emacs. mu4e package supports
Maildir and database search.

Re: Remembrance Agents

* Eric S Fraga  [2020-11-29 20:48]:
> On Sunday, 29 Nov 2020 at 20:29, Jean Louis wrote:
> > Sadly there are some errors today.
> 
> On Debian, at least, there is a remembrance-agent package which has the
> binaries and the Emacs package.

PostgreSQL supports relevance search with its built-in functions:
https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/textsearch-intro.html

Emacs package emacs-libpq is soon coming to GNU ELPA.

emacs-libpq @ Github
https://github.com/anse1/emacs-libpq

Using Emacs Lisp functions to store documents for indexing and to get
relevant results is then integration that may be useful.

I may use this functions for semantic locating functions in
Hyperscope. Think of something, put some words and get it, without me
putting great effort to parse words, format them, juggle with terms,
lists and so on. 

PostgreSQL database support is provided in general for any language
and there is support for specific languages:

database=# \dF
   List of text search configurations
   Schema   |Name|  Description  
++---
 pg_catalog | arabic | configuration for arabic language
 pg_catalog | danish | configuration for danish language
 pg_catalog | dutch  | configuration for dutch language
 pg_catalog | english| configuration for english language
 pg_catalog | finnish| configuration for finnish language
 pg_catalog | french | configuration for french language
 pg_catalog | german | configuration for german language
 pg_catalog | greek  | configuration for greek language
 pg_catalog | hungarian  | configuration for hungarian language
 pg_catalog | indonesian | configuration for indonesian language
 pg_catalog | irish  | configuration for irish language
 pg_catalog | italian| configuration for italian language
 pg_catalog | lithuanian | configuration for lithuanian language
 pg_catalog | nepali | configuration for nepali language
 pg_catalog | norwegian  | configuration for norwegian language
 pg_catalog | portuguese | configuration for portuguese language
 pg_catalog | romanian   | configuration for romanian language
 pg_catalog | russian| configuration for russian language
 pg_catalog | simple | simple configuration
 pg_catalog | spanish| configuration for spanish language
 pg_catalog | swedish| configuration for swedish language
 pg_catalog | tamil  | configuration for tamil language
 pg_catalog | turkish| configuration for turkish language
(23 rows)

Re: Remembrance Agents

2020-11-30 Thread Gerardo Moro

> * Gerardo Moro  [2020-11-30 09:49]:
> > Thanks! I get an idea. Will try to use soon and let you know.
> > Thanks for the links, very helpful.
> > Question: when you say it uses emails, can it read any email database (I
> > have old ones from Microsoft outlook both Mac and Windows)? What if you
> > only use webmail, in which format shall you feed the RA?
>
> I think that all those formats can be converted to something you could
> be using centrally on your computer.
>
> I am recommending Maildir format. But that would depend of your email
> client that you use.
>

My emails are in format .emlx which is only readable by MAIL. I also have
used Windows' Microsoft Office which stores I think in PLIST format.
Is it possible to convert them to Maildir format? I don't know how any
search software could search within those files if they are not converted.

Best,
GM

Re: One vs many directories

* Texas Cyberthal  [2020-11-30 10:36]:
> Hi Jean,
> 
> > For that I need video to understand.
> 
> Agreed.  I thought the Treefactor gif videos would be enough, but it's
> clear that people's imagination cannot extrapolate the utility of
> RIITR.
> 
> I developed this skill long ago on the Windows app Brainstorm, and
> have forgotten how rare and unintuitive it is.
> 
> This is the key missing concept preventing people from understanding
> and adopting Textmind, because Textmind is designed primarily to
> exploit this concept.
> 
> So I plan to play AI Dungeon with Treefactor, using RIITR to make
> sense and fun of nonsense, and record it on YouTube with live audio
> commentary.  Monkey see, monkey do.  Then people will be able to do
> RIITR.

You could record on some of free hostings that respect users' freedom
that refrain of coercing non-free javascript such as:

Open.tube upload
https://open.tube/videos/upload

Re: Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files

* Ihor Radchenko  [2020-11-30 13:15]:
> Jean Louis  writes:
> 
> > Do you mean it is possible to mark 5-6 headlines and then re-file them
> > quickly to other file?
> >
> > That would spare me some organizing efforts.
> 
> Yes. I think the default building is "m" for marking and "B" for bulk
> actions. The possible actions appear at the bottom of the screen.

I got it from a GIF animation.  That is a built-in and great feature.

Re: #+author un subtree exports.

2020-11-30 Thread Damien Couroussé




On 30/11/2020 11:29, Eric S Fraga wrote:

I would like to export only a subtree of a bigger document, and use
#+author annotations in subtrees.  Currently, all the #+author
annotations of the document are concatenated in the exported document.

For subtree export, make use of the EXPORT_X properties where X can be
AUTHOR, TITLE, ...  Set these properties in each sub-tree.

Thank you, Eric, this is exactly what I was looking for.
This is documented in the manual here:

https://orgmode.org/manual/Export-Settings.html

regards,

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Re: Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files

* Ihor Radchenko  [2020-11-30 12:31]:
> Jean Louis  writes:
> > How to Run a More Secure Browser
> > https://www.dragonflybsd.org/docs/handbook/RunSecureBrowser/
> 
> There is also Firejail these days:
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Sakaki/Sakaki%27s_EFI_Install_Guide/Sandboxing_the_Firefox_Browser_with_Firejail#Sandboxing_with_Firejail
> 
> > Tasks or notes should be quickly shareable or be capable of being sent
> > to different objects and places:
> 
> I can see that you have implemented many of the suggested commands
> yourself. Why don't you just propose patches extending the functionality
> you desire?

Good question, I have no idea in this moment why not. Maybe I just
make a function that works for me and is not that easy to provide a
patch that enhances some Org functionality. Example is sending Org
tasks by email, if somebody of developers wish to do that they can
do. For me is concept more important than specific function. Concept
of being able to send any object from anywhere to anybody is more
important than functions. Then if developers have different concepts
and do not think of sending or sharing objects, then those are
colliding minds and different experiences. I need to put more effort
to write it why, how, where, what, then to write the function itself
that just works. That is reason why people make separate packages.

For me is suprising that Emacs that has email sending capabilities
does not have integrated usage of that capability with other
modes. It may be surprising to me but other people or majority may not
have use of those features so it is not there.

- mark region, click to send by email, why is that not built-in I am
  surprised. GNU Hyperbole has function:

  hmail:region is an interactive compiled Lisp function in ‘hmail.el’.

  (hmail:region START END  BUF INVISIBLE-FLAG)

- send buffer as email? Why is that not built-in is surprising to
  me. GNU Hyperbole has it:

  hmail:buffer is an interactive compiled Lisp function in ‘hmail.el’.

  (hmail:buffer  BUF INVISIBLE-FLAG)

  Start composing mail with the contents of optional BUF as the
  message body.  Invisible text is expanded and included in the mail
  only if INVISIBLE-FLAG is non-nil.  BUF defaults to the current
  buffer and may be a buffer or buffer name.

- Org heading to email? Why is it not built-in? It is very
  surprising. I think I have provided a function that offers concept,
  so it is up to them to implement it. 

Jean

Re: Remembrance Agents

* Eric S Fraga  [2020-11-30 13:11]:
> On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Gerardo Moro wrote:
> > Ok, thanks. How do you specify the location and is the formatting ok when
> > showing you the relevance pieces of text from the local databases?
> 
> The agent needs to be told which files to index (check the man page for
> ra-index) and, in my case, I point it to all .org files and all text
> files under ~/Mail.  The formatting is okay as far as I am concerned but
> this is a subjective aspect that will differ for everybody!

SMART (String Matching Algorithm Research Tool)
https://github.com/smart-tool/smart

Does it use this algorithm? I am cloning that one to see how useful it
could be in relevance searches.

,
| However, I can also see that the PostgreSQL database has already
| built-in features for relevance searches:
| 
| https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/textsearch-intro.html
`

This makes then many external software pieces redundant, it becomes
again trivial to work with a database as underlying algorithm and
functions have already been programmed. Making a new remembrance agent
based on various structured information is making few higher level
functions that integrate the underlying capability of PostgreSQL
database and Emacs users' editing environment:

0. Create appropriate table in the database.

1. Make automatic or semi-automatic list of Org files or other files.

2. Make simple Emacs Lisp function to index all those files in the
   database. This is probably few lines function.

3. Make few Emacs Lisp functions that observes what users is doing and
   display to user relevant results with the possibility to construct
   hyperlinks from the result buffer straight to Org buffer, or
   possibility to open up those relevant files for more references.

Jean

Re: Remembrance Agents

* Eric S Fraga  [2020-11-30 12:31]:
> On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 08:48, Gerardo Moro wrote:
> > Question: when you say it uses emails, can it read any email database (I
> > have old ones from Microsoft outlook both Mac and Windows)? What if you
> > only use webmail, in which format shall you feed the RA?
> 
> No, I don't think the remembrance agent can access webmail of any
> sort.  It is file based.  In my case, all of my emails are stored
> locally (I use gnus nnml groups and POP3 to retrieve my emails from the
> mail host).

recoll and other indexers could be glued into something similar as
remembrance agents. While user is typing some words in a paragraph
could quickly be accessed and relevant documents with those words
could appear on the side of the buffer.

Re: Remembrance Agents

* Gerardo Moro  [2020-11-30 09:49]:
> Thanks! I get an idea. Will try to use soon and let you know.
> Thanks for the links, very helpful.
> Question: when you say it uses emails, can it read any email database (I
> have old ones from Microsoft outlook both Mac and Windows)? What if you
> only use webmail, in which format shall you feed the RA?

I think that all those formats can be converted to something you could
be using centrally on your computer.

I am recommending Maildir format. But that would depend of your email
client that you use.

I am using Maildir since years as each message is its own file and
concurrency is there and I never lose messages. I was using mbox and
mh and various email formats, nothing was ever so stable as Maildir.

Putting each person's conversation in separate folder:

~/Maildir/n...@example.com

then allows me to easily access all previous conversation to that
person. This implies that saving messages must be configured to save
into such specific maildir automatically.

recoll is not remembrance agent. It is a desktop search tool that
supports various formats. There are other desktop search tools on
GNU/Linux as free software:

Beagle - Quickly find the stuff you care about.
http://beagle-project.org/

Recoll is a desktop full-text search tool.
https://www.lesbonscomptes.com/recoll/

Tracker is a filesystem indexer, metadata storage system and search tool
https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker

NEPOMUK - The Social Semantic Desktop
https://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/

Terrier is a highly flexible, efficient, and effective open source search engine
http://www.terrier.org/

In general as Emacs user you may need to choose one that works on
command line. I am not sure if all of those work on command line.

Command line output can then be customized to appear in Emacs.

Then hyperlink may be constructed in Org file as well for various
relevant semantic searches.

For Hyperscope dynamic knowledge repository since we talked about
remembrance I have at least implemented the table column hlinks_rank
that increases its rank by usage. Maybe I should call it different.

Org mode does not track every specific node and is not multi-user:

- when was the specific node edited?
- which person edited specific node?
- what is previous version of that node?
- which hyperlink was accessed how many times?

Would it track that information without disturbance, then users would
have list of most used nodes, most accessed or frequently edited
nodes, groupware based nodes.

In that specific sense of tracking which URL have been accessed how
many times, this gives a list that helps to remember what could be
more relevant in context user is working in.

As the rank increases, the hyperdocument has its own tags, title,
information, and those words mostly used can be indexed and while user
is typing those words could appear on the side to give more popular
references.

Then access could be tracked on files as PDF, images, videos,
directories within Dired, then last of most accessed files could be in
front of us. Recentf does similar function in Emacs. But Emacs
bookmarks are not tracked and sorted by their access.

I will try downloading Remembrance from Debian, as maybe they have
patches that work.

Jean

Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options

> > From: "gyro funch" 
> > To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, 
> > overwriting user options
> > If I'm not mistaken, all of the development is done by volunteers.
> >
> > Perhaps you could help resolve your issue instead of asking other
> > people, who are likely already overworked, to shoulder the burden.

Those overworked, to shoulder the burden people need not answer any
issue. They are volunteers, so they need not answer. There will be
those who may answer.

Process I see there is:

- please report the bug! You are welcome
- user reports the bug
- why you reported the bug here? Report somewhere else.
- user asks where to report the bug and wonders why that routing
- user does report the bug to other place
- user is told not to ask other people

While all that has deeper meanings for one set of people and one may
understand it, there will be those pissed off who cannot understand
what is happening.

Please look at processes going on, analyze processes and what those
processes are not well designed when we have Emacs with programming
language to route users accordingly.

In the end neither developers will get insights from users about
potential bugs neither users will resolve the issue.

Final question is if problem with org-agenda-files got resolved?

Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options

* Tim Cross  [2020-11-30 04:00]:
> The issue at this point wasn't about whether there is a problem with how
> org manages org-agenda-files or even the acknowledged weakness in the
> documentation which needs a patch. The issue here is about attitude and
> being respectful.

I think it would be best if the actual technical issue would be put
attention to and get solved as that is where problem comes from.

Every person reporting Emacs bug is very important. Finally it is
contributor to Emacs.

People use Emacs to handle their life problems. When user stumbles
upon an obstacle that is life related obstacle. It has practical
meanings related to life that are difficult to realize on distance
through a thin medium of email communication.

When the true obstacle is not handled it is quite logical that it may
lead to frustrations. It may not, but "it may" is enough and one shall
try to handle the obstacle and not put attention on frustration that
derives from the obstacle, as where one puts attention that is what
one gets.

Person is not first being surprised that M-x report-emacs-bug is not
handled as Emacs Bug. I think that alone is definitely a bug, and we
recently discussed it, and here we are again.

Good read for participants:

GNU Kind Communications Guidelines
==
   Author: Richard Stallman
 Type: WWW
Hyperlink: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html

Instead of using programming to automate WHERE the bug related to
org-mode should be routed there is lack of consensus and now we have:

,
| M-x report-emacs-bug
| 
| M-x org-submit-bug-report
| 
| M-x TeX-submit-bug-report
| 
| M-x lm-report-bug
`

and so on. Emacs is already taking user's data and inserting into the
buffer to send email. Why it does not ask user to which part the bug
relates?

,
| - Do you wish to designate mode to which this bug relates?
|   - Org mode
|   - TeX mode
|   - General editing
`

After that question the email can have a tag [org-mode] and upon the
tag the maildrop or procmail or other email filter could forward the
bug to specific mailing list. Simple really. Standard GNU/Linux and
Unix handling of emails.

Various mailing lists arrive to my IMAP by being sorted first by the
`maildrop' command line tool.

Examples:

,
| if ((/^To:.*emacs\-devel/))
| {
|to "./Maildir/.emacs-devel/."
| }
`

If email is written to `emacs-devel' please sort it in this folder. In
this fashion I can make a filter:

- if email has a tag: [org-mode] please send it to THIS-EMAIL-ADDRESS

Then emacs-report-bug could rank the user among beginner, intermediate
and advance.

Then we have the contradiction in description:

Is the Org mode part of Emacs? One gets it with Emacs so it is part of
Emacs. 

Then somebody may say it is part of Emacs but somebody will tell it is
not part of Emacs. 

Without listening I can observe that Org is part of Emacs and it says
so in the org.el and what is written is what is presented to users and
one need not bring these doubts onto user about facts that are clearly
there. Those are issues to be discussed beyond users' bugs.

I look at those things from a tolerant view point and that issues
reported shall better be solved in welcoming manner.

Fact is that Org is part of GNU Emacs.

,
| ;;; org.el --- Outline-based notes management and organizer -*- 
lexical-binding: t; -*-
| 
| ;; Carstens outline-mode for keeping track of everything.
| ;; Copyright (C) 2004-2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
| 
| ;; Version: 9.4
| 
| ;; This file is part of GNU Emacs.
`

Another ways but mail filtering ways of handling bugs that should be
forwarded to org mailing list can be very simple:

- let us discuss that it is fine to forward such issues to Org mailing
  list. Issue may arrive to help-gnu-emacs mailing list and could be
  copied to org mailing list as well by some of participants. Is this
  alright to do?

- people who are subscribed to emacs bugs mailing list could simply
  forward it to mailing list. In Mutt email reader that is very
  simple, I can or could just bounce the email or forward email to
  another email address and rmail and other email readers have same
  functions. Easy peasy.

- some people from Org mailing list may get subscribed to bug tracker
  and review emails there, when they answer the bug they may include
  org mailing list.

- let us work cooperative and in welcoming manner and without
  introduction of doubts

It is that simple.

Side reference from November 2020 that shows that it is legitimate to
report Org issues to Emacs bug mailing list, finally Org is part of
Emacs:

- Org issue does get discussed on Emacs bug mailing list:
  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2020-11/msg01832.html

- person reports Org issue to Emacs bug mailing list:
  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2020-11/msg01672.html

- another Org issue handled on Emacs bug mailing list:

Re: #+author un subtree exports.

On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 10:49, Damien Couroussé wrote:
> I would like to export only a subtree of a bigger document, and use 
> #+author annotations in subtrees.  Currently, all the #+author 
> annotations of the document are concatenated in the exported document.

For subtree export, make use of the EXPORT_X properties where X can be
AUTHOR, TITLE, ...  Set these properties in each sub-tree.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-143-g9a1549

Re: One vs many directories

2020-11-30 Thread Texas Cyberthal

Ihor> That would be appreciated. I tried to read Treefactor docs at
least 3 times and failed to understand its utility.

Then I will move AI Dungeon Treefactor demo priority above all but
critical Cyborganize documentation, such as broken links.

Apparently I've wasted a lot of time documenting Textmind and 10 Bins
before Treefactor was adequately explained.

To avoid such mistakes in the future, I should focus on instilling the
minimum viable behavioral change.

Untangling a cognitive knot with an impromptu Treefactor or
Brainstormsw session is a good candidate:

https://www.brainstormsw.com

And recreational use, such as for gaming, is a sticky alternative to
undesirable premature production use.

Re: Remembrance Agents

On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 11:37, Gerardo Moro wrote:
> Ok, thanks. How do you specify the location and is the formatting ok when
> showing you the relevance pieces of text from the local databases?

The agent needs to be told which files to index (check the man page for
ra-index) and, in my case, I point it to all .org files and all text
files under ~/Mail.  The formatting is okay as far as I am concerned but
this is a subjective aspect that will differ for everybody!

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: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-143-g9a1549

Re: Org-GCal ?

2020-11-30 Thread Neil Jerram

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 00:49, David Masterson 
wrote:

> Anyone using org-gcal?  I just got it hooked up and am now trying to
> figure out how to fit it into my workflow.  My issue is (CMIAW) that
> org-gcal seems to have a 1 to 1 connection between a Google calendar and
> an Org file (org-gcal-file-alist).

That was my observation too: it generates and maintains one .org file per
Google calendar.

How does that create a problem for you?

#+author un subtree exports.

2020-11-30 Thread Damien Couroussé


hello all,

I would like to export only a subtree of a bigger document, and use 
#+author annotations in subtrees.  Currently, all the #+author 
annotations of the document are concatenated in the exported document.


Is it the expected behaviour?  Is it possible to have per-section 
#+author annotation?



Minimalist example:

```
* section A

#+title: doc A
#+author: author A

text A.

* section B

#+title: doc B
#+author: author B

text B.
```

In this example, exporting e.g. section B (=C-c C-e C-s t U= with the 
default keymaps) produces the following output, where "author A author 
B" in the document heading is not wanted.



Text export of section B:

```
  ━━━
   SECTION B

   author A author B
  ━━━


Table of Contents
─




text B.
```




thank you,
Damien

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Re: Remembrance Agents

2020-11-30 Thread Gerardo Moro

Ok, thanks. How do you specify the location and is the formatting ok when
showing you the relevance pieces of text from the local databases?

El lun, 30 nov 2020 a las 11:31, Eric S Fraga ()
escribió:

> On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 08:48, Gerardo Moro wrote:
> > Question: when you say it uses emails, can it read any email database (I
> > have old ones from Microsoft outlook both Mac and Windows)? What if you
> > only use webmail, in which format shall you feed the RA?
>
> No, I don't think the remembrance agent can access webmail of any
> sort.  It is file based.  In my case, all of my emails are stored
> locally (I use gnus nnml groups and POP3 to retrieve my emails from the
> mail host).
>
> --
> : Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-143-g9a1549
>

Re: Missing line breaks in Beamer with alltt

On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 07:03, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
> Fascinating: it has to be something in my settings. I went through my
> init files and did not find anything relevant. Off to debug I go then.

Maybe post the offending LaTeX for that frame?  Happy to try to help.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-143-g9a1549

Re: Remembrance Agents

On Monday, 30 Nov 2020 at 08:48, Gerardo Moro wrote:
> Question: when you say it uses emails, can it read any email database (I
> have old ones from Microsoft outlook both Mac and Windows)? What if you
> only use webmail, in which format shall you feed the RA?

No, I don't think the remembrance agent can access webmail of any
sort.  It is file based.  In my case, all of my emails are stored
locally (I use gnus nnml groups and POP3 to retrieve my emails from the
mail host).

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-143-g9a1549

Re: Bring up a screen giving option to open a series of orgmode files