Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Dnia 2014-07-23, o godz. 23:20:13 Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl napisał(a): this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) Thanks for all the input (and for featuring this thread on Twitter;))! The friend is just starting to like Org-mode;). Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
John Kitchin jkitchin at andrew.cmu.edu writes: jorge.a.alfaro at gmail.com (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes: thanks for point that out, I have fixed them now I think. That must be from some link escaping in the translation of org to html I guess. No, the problem happens during org-insert-link, so even before it's exported anywhere. I had to patch my org.el to fix the org-link-escape-chars variable. Maybe it should be fixed in the standard distribution, because its a really annoying and unexpected behaviour. Regards, David diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el index 3e83043..3bca94a 100644 --- a/lisp/org.el +++ b/lisp/org.el @@ -9777,8 +9777,8 @@ according to FMT ])) (defconst org-link-escape-chars - ;;%20 %2B %3B %3D %5B %5D - '(?\ ?\+ ?\; ?\= ?\[ ?\]) + ;;%20 %2B %3B %5B %5Dnn + '(?\ ?\+ ?\; ?\[ ?\]) List of characters that should be escaped in link. This is the list that is used for internal purposes.)
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
David Ongaro david.ong...@hamburg.de writes: John Kitchin jkitchin at andrew.cmu.edu writes: jorge.a.alfaro at gmail.com (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes: thanks for point that out, I have fixed them now I think. That must be from some link escaping in the translation of org to html I guess. No, the problem happens during org-insert-link, so even before it's exported anywhere. I had to patch my org.el to fix the org-link-escape-chars variable. Maybe it should be fixed in the standard distribution, because its a really annoying and unexpected behaviour. Regards, David diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el index 3e83043..3bca94a 100644 --- a/lisp/org.el +++ b/lisp/org.el @@ -9777,8 +9777,8 @@ according to FMT ])) (defconst org-link-escape-chars - ;;%20 %2B %3B %3D %5B %5D - '(?\ ?\+ ?\; ?\= ?\[ ?\]) + ;;%20 %2B %3B %5B %5Dnn + '(?\ ?\+ ?\; ?\[ ?\]) List of characters that should be escaped in link. This is the list that is used for internal purposes.) That has already happened: on the master branch, org-link-escape-chars is (see commit abe931dca9c4c634fe9495eff7579ca952eb8b98): , | (defconst org-link-escape-chars | ;;%20 %5B %5D | '(?\ ?\[ ?\]) | List of characters that should be escaped in a link when stored to Org. | This is the list that is used for internal purposes.) ` It's going to be visible in the next release. Nick
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Thanks John, The links to the other videos are broken. I think that the addresses have %3D instead of an equal sign (=). Best, Jorge.
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
jorge.a.alf...@gmail.com (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes: thanks for point that out, I have fixed them now I think. That must be from some link escaping in the translation of org to html I guess. Thanks John, The links to the other videos are broken. I think that the addresses have %3D instead of an equal sign (=). Best, Jorge. -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? My very personal stand on this is that prelude and Starter kit are good options when someone wants to discover Emacs, but can sometimes get in the way: if something goes wrong, you are not sure who to blame, the modified setup or Emacs. I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) My teaching/helping IRL experience is that people start with a Starter Kit because they are afraid of the Beast, sometimes for no good reasons. It's better to simply play by the rules: that way, when something goes wrong, the odds are greater to understand what and why. As for a gentle introduction with a wide scope on EOm, I don't think there is such a thing... sadly. Good luck to your friend! -- Bastien
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
This page has some links to some videos that you might find helpful: http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu/blog/2014/07/12/Org-mode-is-awesome/. Some are more gentle than others ;) Bastien b...@gnu.org writes: Hi Marcin, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? My very personal stand on this is that prelude and Starter kit are good options when someone wants to discover Emacs, but can sometimes get in the way: if something goes wrong, you are not sure who to blame, the modified setup or Emacs. I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) My teaching/helping IRL experience is that people start with a Starter Kit because they are afraid of the Beast, sometimes for no good reasons. It's better to simply play by the rules: that way, when something goes wrong, the odds are greater to understand what and why. As for a gentle introduction with a wide scope on EOm, I don't think there is such a thing... sadly. Good luck to your friend! -- --- John Kitchin Professor Doherty Hall A207F Department of Chemical Engineering Carnegie Mellon University Pittsburgh, PA 15213 412-268-7803 http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Hi list, this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) Best, Hi Marcin, I don't have much specifically to offer here as I'm a fairly new emacser, but I did switch to Org-mode directly from Scrivener. It took awhile, especially getting used to the keybindings as I simultaneously tried to understand various other packages that seemed useful (especially version control through magit). I love those bindings and packages now, however, and wouldn't go back. The simplicity and speed of the keyboard-oriented interface has considerably sped my workflow, especially in dealing with large projects, and even helped my arthritis a little ... :) As a last note, I do think it would take more than 2 days to get a proper sense of the pros and cons. I had a kind of insane glee over emacs that got me through the first month or so. Good luck to your friend! -steven
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Thorsten Jolitz tjolitz at gmail.com writes: , | http://bzg.fr/learn-emacs-lisp-in-15-minutes.html ` Didn't know about this, and it's been online for 364 days :) Definitely worth reading. Thanks, Bastien!
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi list, this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? I found this to be very helpful - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/tutorials/au-emacs1/index.html Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) I recently had to start from scratch and I tried Emacs-Starter-Kit and Prelude. Prelude seemed to fit my needs much better and got me up and running pretty quickly. Thanks -Manish
[O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Hi list, this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl writes: Hi list, this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) Have you seen Bastien's , | http://bzg.fr/learn-emacs-lisp-in-15-minutes.html ` ? Looks like a good starting point to me. The .emacs file won't look that cryptic anymore after this 15 min ... -- cheers, Thorsten
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
Hi Marcin I switched from Scrivener to org-mode about 11 months ago. I would say the biggest hurdles were getting used to the key bindings, and configuring the back-ends. The emacs tutorial was fairly useful. For the Org-Mode key bindings, I just printed out the starter pdf and put it next to my computer for a while. Regarding the build, I tried several distros and I found vanilla emacs with prelude to be most useful for me as a beginner. (Some people advise against starter packs, and I would try to move away from the prelude custom key bindings, but the packages it includes are fairly useful. It is also fairly easy to customise). Regarding writing in org-mode. Does your friend use MMD and latex with Scrivener? If so the transition is not nearly as difficult. Some of the markup is similar. If he uses rich text rather than MMD, it is worth noting that Scrivener has facilities to transform rich text into MMD. Once you have that, you can use regex searches to convert MMD syntax to org syntax. (I have some regex functions kicking around somewhere in my init files, let me know if you want me to find them and send them to you). If he has a latex setup he likes, he should be able to move it into his init file without too much effort. (Worg and the org guide is fairly useful for helping you figure out how to configure the back-ends). If he does not already use latex the transition may be harder, depending on how specific his formatting and citation requirements are. It will probably still be doable, but probably not in two days. Hope this helps, All best, Leonard Marcin Borkowski writes: Hi list, this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) Best, -- Leonard A. Randall PhD Candidate Departments of Philosophy University of St Andrews
Re: [O] A gentle introduction to Emacs Org-mode?
I learned Emacs from scratch for the sake of Org-mode. - I printed out an Emacs shortcut cheat sheet and tacked it on my cubicle wall. - Basic Orgmode setup is pretty simple. My config, which allows working with R and exporting to various formats: #+begin_src (add-to-list 'load-path ~/.elisp/org.git/lisp/) (add-to-list 'load-path ~/.elisp/org.git/contrib/lisp) (add-to-list 'load-path ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess/lisp/) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((latex . t) (R . t))) ;; font size, window height/width/placement (set-face-attribute 'default nil :height 100) (setq initial-frame-alist '((left . 0) (top . 16) (width . 120) (height . 45))) (tool-bar-mode 0) ;; misc org stuff (require 'org-inlinetask) (require 'org-id) (global-set-key \C-cl 'org-store-link) (global-set-key \C-ca 'org-agenda) (setq org-hide-leading-stars t) (setq org-blank-before-new-entry nil) (setq org-link-file-path-type (quote absolute)) (setq org-link-to-org-use-id 'create-if-interactive) ;; babel (require 'ess-site) ;; get copy and paste to the clipboard (global-set-key \C-w 'clipboard-kill-region) (global-set-key \M-w 'clipboard-kill-ring-save) (global-set-key \C-y 'clipboard-yank) #+end_src I have some agenda tweaks, todo keywords, fill-mode adjustments, sunrise commander file manager settings, and other miscellany, but the above would still cover 90% of my usage needs. I think the biggest phrase that needs further clarification is ...spend any more than, say, 2 days on [...] learning basics of EmOm. Where do you draw the line between basics and advanced usage, and what qualifies as learning. Having used Org for maybe 4 years now, I still consider most of what I do fairly basic compared to others I see, but my co-workers nearly soil themselves in fear/awe sometimes when they see me working in Org-mode. My recommendation, only because it worked for me, is simply to sell the end result/benefits of Org, which is why I assume we all keep using it (and started using it in the first place). It wasn't because I just wanted to try something new on a whim that I learned Org. It was because I'd tried other stuff (TiddlyWiki, iGTD, Chandler, Tracks, Zim, EverNote, Google Notebook) and in simply watching videos and reading about Org, I was sold. Thus, it was the hope/desire/being-sold-in-advance on the benefits that gave me the energy to overcome the learning curve (which was definitely painful). I'm not sure that without understanding why one is doing it that they'll go for it. I certainly don't think I could have made the switch if I set a goal of 2 days to feel like I knew what I was doing (I wouldn't have succeeded)! Instead, I tried to just start simple. Just stop taking notes in TiddlyWiki and start taking them in Org. Then I'd decide I wanted to try something like time stamps and learn those. Then time tracking, then beamer, then babel/in-document plot generation. And so on. Long winded... but I'd suggest starting small. Maybe just get to the point where he could take a recent document created with Scrivener and re-create it in Org? Good luck with the migration! John On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Marcin Borkowski mb...@wmi.amu.edu.pl wrote: Hi list, this is only partially Org-ode related, but I hope I'll be excused. A friend of mine uses Scrivener; he also does some simple JavaScript/jQuery programming and HTML/CSS editing. He *is* interested in Emacs Org-mode, but does not want to spend more than, say, 2 days on installing, configuring and learning basics of EOm. Are there any resources which might help? I offered him some help with installing and teaching, but what could I use? (Of course, the built-in tutorial and Sacha Chua's sketch-tutorials are great, but what else does there exist? Also, is prelude or Emacs Starter Kit a good idea? I understand this is opinion-based, but maybe someone has some experience *teaching* Emacs and Org-mode?) Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University
