Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: This patch doesn't apply for me with git am to the HEAD of the repo so I can't test it directly Please try this new one against current db51b8 commit in master. This patch is still broken org-mode$ git checkout db51b8 -b crude Switched to a new branch 'crude' org-mode$ git am /tmp/0001-Crude-patch-to-simplify-dependencies.patch Applying: Crude patch to simplify dependencies. error: patch failed: lisp/ob-exp.el:23 error: lisp/ob-exp.el: patch does not apply Patch failed at 0001 Crude patch to simplify dependencies. The copy of the patch that failed is found in: /home/eschulte/.emacs.d/src/org-mode/.git/rebase-apply/patch When you have resolved this problem, run git am --resolved. If you prefer to skip this patch, run git am --skip instead. To restore the original branch and stop patching, run git am --abort. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: This patch is still broken (I don't know why ~$ git format-patch master did not produce an applicable patch.) These three ones are applicable against master/68d4de2. Bare in mind this is just meant as a proof it works, we can rework the patches later on. These applied and I now see what they are doing. This is equivalent to moving all of the core Babel libraries into a single massive ob.el. I explicitly like the separation of functional units of Babel into separate files, and this sort of refactoring would make Babel harder to maintain in the future. What do you find so unappealing about the existence of ob-core.el to justify such drastic proposals? Perhaps it would be possible to take all of those functions which are defined in ob-core *and* are required by other components of Babel, and move them to an ob-util.el file. Then we could move the remaining public facing functions of Babel which are not used in any of it's components (e.g., org-babel-execute-src-block) and move them into ob.el. Would that feel cleaner to you? Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Would that feel cleaner to you? I feel so. Please let me think more about it, and thanks to be open to this possibility. I'm confident we can keep a good balance between conveniency (when editing various ob* files) and maintainability (which should be judged not only from the current maintainer point of view but also /per se/.) I'm busy all day tomorrow, I'll think about this back on sunday. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Unless you find a bug in the dependencies and/or find a bug in the way dependancies are handled, (I meant: unless you find a bug and/or strongly dislike this solution) -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: If you can find a cleaner alternative I'll be happy to help you apply it. Here is a very crude patch for paving the way to a better solution. This patch doesn't apply for me with git am to the HEAD of the repo so I can't test it directly, however, judging from a quick review of the patch and from your diagram I believe it will introduce circular dependencies. The crux of the problem is that all of the core ob files need to require the main ob file, and the main ob file must require all of the core ob files (so they can be required with a single invocation from outside files). Thus, to avoid circular requires, there must be a separate ob and ob-core. One to be required and one to do the requiring. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte schulte.eric at gmail.com writes: I will make this change (in fact I had done this originally, but then didn't want to send too many patches so I compressed the commit history). It just occurs to me that it would be even better if you copied the file verbatim instead of renaming it as the very first step. That way the history is preserved across both files since the SHA1 for both files is the same at that commit. Then just reset the tree to the commit where you had edited the files (the first one in your two part series) and commit that set of changes. Then cherry-pick part two. Each language file will only need to (require 'ob), only a few of the core Babel files would actually require ob-core. Here's a diagram of the require structure. :-) Regards, Achim.
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Please let me know if I can explain anything, or if you'd like to see the patches before the hit the master branch. I've read the thread carefully and I cannot clearly see what problem we are trying to fix. I acknowledge things can be cleaned up somehow, but I need to see the actual bug that we are fixing here... see my reply to Achim in the same thread. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Hi Achim, Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Eric Schulte writes: See http://orgmode.org/manual/Languages.html for the documentation on how to activate and disable org-babel languages. That actually produces the error: File mode specification error: (void-variable org-babel-tangle-lang-exts) as the OP has found out (and I can reproduce it). The reason is that none of the ob-lang.el files do a (require ob-tangle), but try to change a defcustom in ob.tangle.el that is only declared, but not yet available at the time. I've quickfixed it by moving the require for ob-tangle in org.el to the beginning of the file, but this is now relying on the fact that org is implicitly loaded for getting the major mode set up, so all the babel language files still need to be cleaned up. I can't reproduce this. I have a ~/emacs.el file containing (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) then ~$ emacs -Q -l ~/emacs.el loads correctly and `org-babel-load-languages' is correctly set up. Thanks for any help on reproducing the problem! -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Please let me know if I can explain anything, or if you'd like to see the patches before the hit the master branch. I've read the thread carefully and I cannot clearly see what problem we are trying to fix. I acknowledge things can be cleaned up somehow, but I need to see the actual bug that we are fixing here... see my reply to Achim in the same thread. This is refactoring not bug fixing. The most important impact is that this will provide for simpler requires by the files implementing support for particular languages. Rather than having to do piecemeal requires of those portions of the Babel infrastructure which may be needed locally they can simple (require 'ob) and bring in all of the Babel support as a single unit. Prior to this change there are language specific files which are using tangle defcustoms which have not been required and thus are not in scope. Finally this consolidates Babel defcustoms into ob.el where they will be more immediately brought into scope, and are more easily maintained. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: This is refactoring not bug fixing. The most important impact is that this will provide for simpler requires by the files implementing support for particular languages. Rather than having to do piecemeal requires of those portions of the Babel infrastructure which may be needed locally they can simple (require 'ob) and bring in all of the Babel support as a single unit. I agree with the simplification if it does not involved creating ob-core.el and ob-customs.el. Merging ob.el and ob-tangle.el (and perhaps ob-eval.el and ob-comint.el) is a good simplification option IMHO. Prior to this change there are language specific files which are using tangle defcustoms which have not been required and thus are not in scope. Got it. Finally this consolidates Babel defcustoms into ob.el where they will be more immediately brought into scope, and are more easily maintained. Yes, if you merge the files; otherwise, I'd stick to the namespace rule: defcustoms belong where their namespace indicate they belong. Thanks, -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien writes: I can't reproduce this. You most likely can if you just customize org-babel-load-languages. I have a ~/emacs.el file containing (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) then ~$ emacs -Q -l ~/emacs.el loads correctly and `org-babel-load-languages' is correctly set up. That only works because it pulls in org.el first. The problem is that the Babel files can't be completely self-contained w.r.t. their dependecies as that would create circular requires and there exist multiple code paths (mainly via autoloads) that pull in different parts of Org in different order. As a basic requirement all customization variables should become available before their uses in all those cases, but this can't be ensured (at least not easily) with the current structure. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Terratec KOMPLEXER: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KomplexerWaves
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Here's what the require structure of the core ob files will look like after this change. If i read the graph correctly, merging ob.el ob-eval.el and ob-core.el will not create circular requires -- am I right? -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: Here's what the require structure of the core ob files will look like after this change. If i read the graph correctly, merging ob.el ob-eval.el and ob-core.el will not create circular requires -- am I right? Not correct. The result of such a merge would look like the following. attachment: alternate-babel.png With numerous circular requires. I understand that you find the existence of an ob-core file aesthetically unappealing. In principle I don't disagree, but in this particular case I do not see any preferable solution (including the keep things as they are option). If you can think of a better option I'm open to suggestions, but if not I would like to commit this change to master. Thanks, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien writes: If i read the graph correctly, merging ob.el ob-eval.el and ob-core.el will not create circular requires -- am I right? Any attempt to merge ob.el and ob-core.el will result in circular requires or (the status quo) incomplete requires. I hope you are not suggesting to put all of ob into a single file… Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptation for Waldorf microQ V2.22R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:
I hope you are not suggesting to put all of ob into a single file…
Actually that's a good idea!
It should be ~170ko, quite manageable (similar to org-export.el.)
In terms of features, is any of ob-{keys/tangle/table/etc.}
useful by itself, outside ob?
How would you feel about this Eric?
--
Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:
I hope you are not suggesting to put all of ob into a single file…
Actually that's a good idea!
It should be ~170ko, quite manageable (similar to org-export.el.)
In terms of features, is any of ob-{keys/tangle/table/etc.}
useful by itself, outside ob?
How would you feel about this Eric?
I don't like this idea at all.
I'm already heavily using page-feed (^L) characters to navigate the
existing ob-core.el. Combining all of the separate components of babel
into a single file would lose much needed separation and organization
and would make Babel harder to maintain.
In the absence of better ideas, I'm going to go ahead with this
refactoring. If we do come up with a better idea at some time in the
future I'll be happy to make further changes. Lacking that we can
always revert this change when Emacs Lisp begins to provide support for
proper modules.
Cheers,
--
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien writes: Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: I hope you are not suggesting to put all of ob into a single file… Actually that's a good idea! Uh-oh… I'm not sure why you like that, but you'd then have the same problem inside that single file. It's solveable, but it means you'd need to put in lots of forward declarations or put things into a somewhat illogical order, which is surely detrimental for maintainability. You might want to ask Nicolas for his opinion, he's been having a lot of the same problems for the new exporter, for essentially the same reason. IIRC, it took some time to really sort out. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: In the absence of better ideas, I'm going to go ahead with this refactoring. Okay, go ahead. But be warned that ob-core.el is not my friend :) I'll see how we can get rid of it. -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: In the absence of better ideas, I'm going to go ahead with this refactoring. Okay, go ahead. But be warned that ob-core.el is not my friend :) :) I'll see how we can get rid of it. If you can find a cleaner alternative I'll be happy to help you apply it. Cheers, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Le 10/12/2012 18:24, Eric Schulte a écrit : 1. make sure you're using a recent version of Org-mode, either the latest release or from git, see http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#Keeping-current 2. start Emacs with the -Q flag (to ensure there is no problem caused by the rest of your config) 3. evaluate the Babel config (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) 4. if you still have problems, then write back with your version of Emacs, and your version of org-mode (reported with M-x org-version) Hope this helps, flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: I am sorry for my misunderstood but I put (require 'org) in my .emacs and there is no change. 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com As I mentioned in my previous message you have to require Org-mode before executing the following snippet. Try (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: still an issue : Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval-buffer(#buffer *load* nil /home/flav/.emacs nil t) ; Reading at bu$ load-with-code-conversion(/home/flav/.emacs /home/flav/.emacs t t) load(~/.emacs t t) #[nil ^H\205\264^@ \306=\203^Q^@\307^H\310Q\2027^@ \311=\2033^@\312\307\31$ command-line() normal-top-level() 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte Hello, Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval((org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (..$ eval-last-sexp-1(t) eval-last-sexp(t) eval-print-last-sexp() call-interactively(eval-print-last-sexp nil nil) Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6) of 2012-09-21 on allspice, modified by Debian Thanks for help. -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: Le 10/12/2012 18:24, Eric Schulte a écrit : 1. make sure you're using a recent version of Org-mode, either the latest release or from git, see http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#Keeping-current 2. start Emacs with the -Q flag (to ensure there is no problem caused by the rest of your config) 3. evaluate the Babel config (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) 4. if you still have problems, then write back with your version of Emacs, and your version of org-mode (reported with M-x org-version) Hope this helps, [...] Hello, Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval((org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (..$ eval-last-sexp-1(t) eval-last-sexp(t) eval-print-last-sexp() call-interactively(eval-print-last-sexp nil nil) Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6) of 2012-09-21 on allspice, modified by Debian Thanks for help. I don't see how this is possible. I am also using Org-mode 7.9.2, here's my Org-mode version Org-mode version 7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-603-gf8a69a @ /home/eschulte/.emacs.d/src/org-mode/lisp/) The `org-babel-do-load-languages' function is defined in org.el, so once you have run (require 'org), I don't believe it is possible for this function to remain undefined. Could you 1. open the org.el file manually on your system, 2. while visiting the file, search for the string org-babel-do-load-languages to confirm that the function is defined in that file 3. run `eval-buffer' while still visiting that file, 4. and then finally run (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) If the above does not work, please let me know at which stage it fails. If it does work, then I suspect the problem is related to something peculiar to your system, and is beyond my abilities to help you with. Best, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Le 11/12/2012 14:45, Eric Schulte a écrit : flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: Le 10/12/2012 18:24, Eric Schulte a écrit : 1. make sure you're using a recent version of Org-mode, either the latest release or from git, see http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#Keeping-current 2. start Emacs with the -Q flag (to ensure there is no problem caused by the rest of your config) 3. evaluate the Babel config (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) 4. if you still have problems, then write back with your version of Emacs, and your version of org-mode (reported with M-x org-version) Hope this helps, [...] Hello, Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval((org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (..$ eval-last-sexp-1(t) eval-last-sexp(t) eval-print-last-sexp() call-interactively(eval-print-last-sexp nil nil) Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6) of 2012-09-21 on allspice, modified by Debian Thanks for help. I don't see how this is possible. I am also using Org-mode 7.9.2, here's my Org-mode version Org-mode version 7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-603-gf8a69a @ /home/eschulte/.emacs.d/src/org-mode/lisp/) The `org-babel-do-load-languages' function is defined in org.el, so once you have run (require 'org), I don't believe it is possible for this function to remain undefined. Could you 1. open the org.el file manually on your system, /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/org.el 2. while visiting the file, search for the string org-babel-do-load-languages to confirm that the function is defined in that file (defun org-babel-do-load-languages (sym value) at line 123 3. run `eval-buffer' while still visiting that file, ok 4. and then finally run (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) ((perl . t)) it is ok If the above does not work, please let me know at which stage it fails. If it does work, then I suspect the problem is related to something peculiar to your system, and is beyond my abilities to help you with. Thanks for help. Best, -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte writes: Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6) of 2012-09-21 on allspice, modified by Debian Thanks for help. I don't see how this is possible. He's using Org from a Debian package that is itself built from a tarball (I believe that Sebastian Delafond maintains these). Quite obviously this package has not been correctly activated, in other words the autoload definitions are mixed up with the older version of Org that comes with Emacs 23.3. In this case (since it is a Debian package) the activation should have been done via site-init.el so as to not require user intervention. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte writes: I'm attaching two patches which implement this new require structure. They move ob.el - ob-core.el. The new ob.el (which is now loaded by every file which requires 'ob) does two things. That looks OK so far, just one nit: it would be much cleaner from the perspective of Git if you first renamed ob.el - ob-core.el and then patched it. That way git blame would continue to work across that commit in a mostly sensible manner. Right now all lines in those two files are new things that sprang into existence with this commit as far as Git is concerned. 1. It defines every Babel defcustom (excluding the language-specific defcustoms). Should defvars be moved here as well? Not necessarily, but if it cleans up the code, this would be worth doing. Maybe as a second step, since none of it should be broken right now? 2. It loads the remainder of Babel, namely; ob-eval, ob-core, ob-comint, ob-exp, ob-keys, ob-table, ob-lob, ob-ref and ob-tangle. Which codepaths would directly activate ob-comint for instance and why is it appropriate to just (require 'ob-core) in this case? This allows for most of the language files to be simplified as they now only need to require ob, rather than requiring the subset of the above particular to their needs. Looks nicer to me, anyway. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: I'm attaching two patches which implement this new require structure. They move ob.el - ob-core.el. The new ob.el (which is now loaded by every file which requires 'ob) does two things. I'm slowly catching up, fixing issues and reading the mailing list. Can you please hold this change until tomorrow eve? It looks good, but I'd like to understand it thoroughly. Thanks! -- Bastien
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Eric, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com writes: I'm attaching two patches which implement this new require structure. They move ob.el - ob-core.el. The new ob.el (which is now loaded by every file which requires 'ob) does two things. I'm slowly catching up, fixing issues and reading the mailing list. Can you please hold this change until tomorrow eve? It looks good, but I'd like to understand it thoroughly. Sure thing, I have the patches queued up locally and ready to commit. Please let me know if I can explain anything, or if you'd like to see the patches before the hit the master branch. Cheers, Thanks! -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Ok, I have deleted some files on my system. I have mis install org (twice in 2 path, bla bla) and I seem to work better. Thanks a lot for help And excuse me 2012/12/11 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: Le 10/12/2012 18:24, Eric Schulte a écrit : 1. make sure you're using a recent version of Org-mode, either the latest release or from git, see http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#Keeping-current 2. start Emacs with the -Q flag (to ensure there is no problem caused by the rest of your config) 3. evaluate the Babel config (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) 4. if you still have problems, then write back with your version of Emacs, and your version of org-mode (reported with M-x org-version) Hope this helps, [...] Hello, Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval((org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (..$ eval-last-sexp-1(t) eval-last-sexp(t) eval-print-last-sexp() call-interactively(eval-print-last-sexp nil nil) Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/) GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.6) of 2012-09-21 on allspice, modified by Debian Thanks for help. I don't see how this is possible. I am also using Org-mode 7.9.2, here's my Org-mode version Org-mode version 7.9.2 (release_7.9.2-603-gf8a69a @ /home/eschulte/.emacs.d/src/org-mode/lisp/) The `org-babel-do-load-languages' function is defined in org.el, so once you have run (require 'org), I don't believe it is possible for this function to remain undefined. Could you 1. open the org.el file manually on your system, 2. while visiting the file, search for the string org-babel-do-load-languages to confirm that the function is defined in that file 3. run `eval-buffer' while still visiting that file, 4. and then finally run (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) If the above does not work, please let me know at which stage it fails. If it does work, then I suspect the problem is related to something peculiar to your system, and is beyond my abilities to help you with. Best, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
I put (require 'ob-tangle) in my .emacs I am sorry but now Symbol's function definition is void: org-not-nil when I do C-c C-o in a perl block 2012/12/10 flav flav.justf...@gmail.com I put (require 'ob-tangle) in my .emacs I am sorry but now Symbol's function definition is void: org-not-nil 2012/12/9 ASSI strom...@nexgo.de require 'ob-tangle -- flav -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: I put (require 'ob-tangle) in my .emacs I am sorry but now Symbol's function definition is void: org-not-nil when I do C-c C-o in a perl block put the following in your .emacs, possibly following a (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Eric Schulte writes: See http://orgmode.org/manual/Languages.html for the documentation on how to activate and disable org-babel languages. That actually produces the error: File mode specification error: (void-variable org-babel-tangle-lang-exts) as the OP has found out (and I can reproduce it). Using this method of requiring languages, ;; emacs-lisp (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) Works for me without issue when called from a fresh emacs (-Q). This is the recommended way of adding support for a new language and should work for the OP. The reason is that none of the ob-lang.el files do a (require ob-tangle), but try to change a defcustom in ob.tangle.el that is only declared, but not yet available at the time. The two fixes seem to be either to either (1) add (require 'ob-tangle) to all current and new language specific files, or (2) merge ob-tangle into ob.el, so that they are both loaded by (require 'ob). It is unfortunate that because of the recursive require there is no way to separate a single require'd entity across multiple files. Option (2) seems most clean to me. Unless anyone has a better idea I'll make this change. Best, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
still an issue : Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval-buffer(#buffer *load* nil /home/flav/.emacs nil t) ; Reading at bu$ load-with-code-conversion(/home/flav/.emacs /home/flav/.emacs t t) load(~/.emacs t t) #[nil ^H\205\264^@ \306=\203^Q^@\307^H\310Q\2027^@ \311=\2033^@\312\307\31$ command-line() normal-top-level() 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
As I mentioned in my previous message you have to require Org-mode before executing the following snippet. Try (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: still an issue : Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval-buffer(#buffer *load* nil /home/flav/.emacs nil t) ; Reading at bu$ load-with-code-conversion(/home/flav/.emacs /home/flav/.emacs t t) load(~/.emacs t t) #[nil ^H\205\264^@ \306=\203^Q^@\307^H\310Q\2027^@ \311=\2033^@\312\307\31$ command-line() normal-top-level() 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
I am sorry for my misunderstood but I put (require 'org) in my .emacs and there is no change. 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com As I mentioned in my previous message you have to require Org-mode before executing the following snippet. Try (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: still an issue : Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval-buffer(#buffer *load* nil /home/flav/.emacs nil t) ; Reading at bu$ load-with-code-conversion(/home/flav/.emacs /home/flav/.emacs t t) load(~/.emacs t t) #[nil ^H\205\264^@ \306=\203^Q^@\307^H\310Q\2027^@ \311=\2033^@\312\307\31$ command-line() normal-top-level() 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
1. make sure you're using a recent version of Org-mode, either the latest release or from git, see http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.html#Keeping-current 2. start Emacs with the -Q flag (to ensure there is no problem caused by the rest of your config) 3. evaluate the Babel config (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) 4. if you still have problems, then write back with your version of Emacs, and your version of org-mode (reported with M-x org-version) Hope this helps, flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: I am sorry for my misunderstood but I put (require 'org) in my .emacs and there is no change. 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com As I mentioned in my previous message you have to require Org-mode before executing the following snippet. Try (require 'org) (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) flav flav.justf...@gmail.com writes: still an issue : Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function org-babel-do-load-languages) (org-babel-do-load-languages (quote org-babel-load-languages) (quote (...))) eval-buffer(#buffer *load* nil /home/flav/.emacs nil t) ; Reading at bu$ load-with-code-conversion(/home/flav/.emacs /home/flav/.emacs t t) load(~/.emacs t t) #[nil ^H\205\264^@ \306=\203^Q^@\307^H\310Q\2027^@ \311=\2033^@\312\307\31$ command-line() normal-top-level() 2012/12/10 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte writes: Using this method of requiring languages, ;; emacs-lisp (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) Works for me without issue when called from a fresh emacs (-Q). This is the recommended way of adding support for a new language and should work for the OP. Why should this be preferred over simple customization of org-babel-load-languages? I see no reason to have users add code to .emacs just for selecting which Babel languages to use. The two fixes seem to be either to either (1) add (require 'ob-tangle) to all current and new language specific files, or (2) merge ob-tangle into ob.el, so that they are both loaded by (require 'ob). It is unfortunate that because of the recursive require there is no way to separate a single require'd entity across multiple files. Option (2) seems most clean to me. Unless anyone has a better idea I'll make this change. Well, option (3) is to implement option (2) first, then put all defcustoms (together with their initializers perhaps) into separate files instead of dispersing them into many smaller ones and require them from the top-level files (ob.el in your case, although I personally think that all defcustoms should be visible from the start) so that any autoloaded function invocation will see them defined with their correct values. The external interface is then taken care of by autoloading and the number of requires is minimal. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables
Re: [O] babel perl issue
flav writes: I am sorry for my misunderstood but I put (require 'org) in my .emacs and there is no change. May I suggest you use the ELPA package? Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldUserWavetables
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: Eric Schulte writes: Using this method of requiring languages, ;; emacs-lisp (org-babel-do-load-languages 'org-babel-load-languages '((perl . t))) Works for me without issue when called from a fresh emacs (-Q). This is the recommended way of adding support for a new language and should work for the OP. Why should this be preferred over simple customization of org-babel-load-languages? The `org-babel-do-load-languages' function handles the loading of the language-specific files as well as the removal of the evaluation functions defined by those files when languages are deactivated. This removal requires un-binding those functions. I see no reason to have users add code to .emacs just for selecting which Babel languages to use. Note that if `org-babel-load-languages' is set through the customization interface then `org-babel-do-load-languages' will be called as above (see the :set keyword argument to the defcustom of `org-babel-load-languages') so it is not necessary for a user to add anything to their .emacs. The two fixes seem to be either to either (1) add (require 'ob-tangle) to all current and new language specific files, or (2) merge ob-tangle into ob.el, so that they are both loaded by (require 'ob). It is unfortunate that because of the recursive require there is no way to separate a single require'd entity across multiple files. Option (2) seems most clean to me. Unless anyone has a better idea I'll make this change. Well, option (3) is to implement option (2) first, then put all defcustoms (together with their initializers perhaps) into separate files instead of dispersing them into many smaller ones and require them from the top-level files (ob.el in your case, although I personally think that all defcustoms should be visible from the start) so that any autoloaded function invocation will see them defined with their correct values. The external interface is then taken care of by autoloading and the number of requires is minimal. So, you're suggesting moving all ob-* defcustoms into ob.el or possibly into org.el? That seems reasonable to me, although I'm hesitant to add that much code to org.el w/o a go-ahead from Bastien or a more core maintainer than myself. Specifically to the require structure of Babel. Perhaps the best solution would be to replace ob.el with a small file which requires all of the core components of Babel (e.g., ob-exp, ob-ref, ob-tangle, etc...) and move the existing ob.el to something like ob-core.el. That way the entire Babel suite may be loaded by all language specific files using a single require statement. Does that seem reasonable? Thanks, Regards, Achim. -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte writes: So, you're suggesting moving all ob-* defcustoms into ob.el or possibly into org.el? That seems reasonable to me, although I'm hesitant to add that much code to org.el w/o a go-ahead from Bastien or a more core maintainer than myself. That would be a possibility, but adding them to a new file ob-customs.el and requiring that from ob.el might be less intrusive. Specifically to the require structure of Babel. Perhaps the best solution would be to replace ob.el with a small file which requires all of the core components of Babel (e.g., ob-exp, ob-ref, ob-tangle, etc...) and move the existing ob.el to something like ob-core.el. That way the entire Babel suite may be loaded by all language specific files using a single require statement. Does that seem reasonable? If you can manage to keep the require structure non-circular, that seems like a good idea. You could also turn your suggestion on the head and provide ob-core.el with just the requires (and maybe the defcustoms) you mentioned above and have all other ob-* files require it. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ Wavetables for the Terratec KOMPLEXER: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KomplexerWaves
[O] babel perl issue
Hello, I am trying to use babel and I don't manage : #+begin_src perl print toto\n; #+end_src When I do C-c C-o : No org-babel-execute function for perl! In my .emacs : (setq org-src-lang-modes (quote ((ocaml . tuareg) (elisp . emacs-lisp) (ditaa . artist) (asymptote . asy) (dot . fundamental) (sqlite . sql) (calc . fundamental) (C . c) (cpp . c++) (screen . shell-script) (perl . perl M-x org-version : Org-mode version 7.9.2 (7.9.2-dist @ /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/org/) I am sorry, I am sure, I have not done it well, but if you can't help me ! -- flav
Re: [O] babel perl issue
flav writes: In my .emacs : (setq org-src-lang-modes (quote ((ocaml . tuareg) (elisp . emacs-lisp) (ditaa . artist) (asymptote . asy) (dot . fundamental) (sqlite . sql) (calc . fundamental) (C . c) (cpp . c++) (screen . shell-script) (perl . perl Scratch that. You don't need to change anything for this variable (and if you did it'd be better if you used customize). What you want to do is customize the Org Babel Load Languages in the Org Babel customize group and add perl as a language so that ob-perl is loaded. Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ SD adaptations for Waldorf Q V3.00R3 and Q+ V3.54R2: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes: flav writes: In my .emacs : (setq org-src-lang-modes (quote ((ocaml . tuareg) (elisp . emacs-lisp) (ditaa . artist) (asymptote . asy) (dot . fundamental) (sqlite . sql) (calc . fundamental) (C . c) (cpp . c++) (screen . shell-script) (perl . perl Scratch that. You don't need to change anything for this variable (and if you did it'd be better if you used customize). What you want to do is customize the Org Babel Load Languages in the Org Babel customize group and add perl as a language so that ob-perl is loaded. See http://orgmode.org/manual/Languages.html for the documentation on how to activate and disable org-babel languages. Best, -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte
Re: [O] babel perl issue
Eric Schulte writes: See http://orgmode.org/manual/Languages.html for the documentation on how to activate and disable org-babel languages. That actually produces the error: File mode specification error: (void-variable org-babel-tangle-lang-exts) as the OP has found out (and I can reproduce it). The reason is that none of the ob-lang.el files do a (require ob-tangle), but try to change a defcustom in ob.tangle.el that is only declared, but not yet available at the time. I've quickfixed it by moving the require for ob-tangle in org.el to the beginning of the file, but this is now relying on the fact that org is implicitly loaded for getting the major mode set up, so all the babel language files still need to be cleaned up. From 12d87c5d944b75f8acbd6cacb3351cede1d44525 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Achim Gratz strom...@stromeko.de Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 21:26:16 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Keep requires at the beginning of the file * lisp/org.el: Keep require forms at the beginning of the file. Thanks to flav for providing an example that showed ob-tangle was required too late. Also, all ob-lang files should IMHO require ob-tangle instead of declaring dynamic variables and relying on org.el to do the require. --- lisp/org.el | 62 ++--- 1 file changed, 31 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/org.el b/lisp/org.el index c5be3c5..42d4c0d 100644 --- a/lisp/org.el +++ b/lisp/org.el @@ -78,6 +78,37 @@ (defvar org-table-formula-constants-local nil (require 'find-func) (require 'format-spec) +(require 'outline) +(if (and (not (keymapp outline-mode-map)) (featurep 'allout)) +(error Conflict with outdated version of allout.el. Load org.el before allout.el, or upgrade to newer allout, for example by switching to Emacs 22)) +(require 'noutline noutline 'noerror) ;; stock XEmacs does not have it + +;; Other stuff we need. +(require 'time-date) +(unless (fboundp 'time-subtract) (defalias 'time-subtract 'subtract-time)) +(require 'easymenu) +(require 'overlay) + +(require 'org-macs) +(require 'org-entities) +;; (require 'org-compat) moved higher up in the file before it is first used +(require 'org-faces) +(require 'org-list) +(require 'org-pcomplete) +(require 'org-src) +(require 'org-footnote) + +;; babel +(require 'ob) +(require 'ob-table) +(require 'ob-lob) +(require 'ob-ref) +(require 'ob-tangle) +(require 'ob-comint) +(require 'ob-keys) + +(require 'font-lock) + (let ((load-suffixes (list .el))) (load org-loaddefs 'noerror nil nil 'mustsuffix)) @@ -4939,35 +4970,6 @@ (defvar org-table-buffer-is-an nil) (defvar bidi-paragraph-direction) (defvar buffer-face-mode-face) -(require 'outline) -(if (and (not (keymapp outline-mode-map)) (featurep 'allout)) -(error Conflict with outdated version of allout.el. Load org.el before allout.el, or upgrade to newer allout, for example by switching to Emacs 22)) -(require 'noutline noutline 'noerror) ;; stock XEmacs does not have it - -;; Other stuff we need. -(require 'time-date) -(unless (fboundp 'time-subtract) (defalias 'time-subtract 'subtract-time)) -(require 'easymenu) -(require 'overlay) - -(require 'org-macs) -(require 'org-entities) -;; (require 'org-compat) moved higher up in the file before it is first used -(require 'org-faces) -(require 'org-list) -(require 'org-pcomplete) -(require 'org-src) -(require 'org-footnote) - -;; babel -(require 'ob) -(require 'ob-table) -(require 'ob-lob) -(require 'ob-ref) -(require 'ob-tangle) -(require 'ob-comint) -(require 'ob-keys) - ;;;###autoload (define-derived-mode org-mode outline-mode Org Outline-based notes management and organizer, alias @@ -5174,8 +5176,6 @@ (defvar org-mouse-map (make-sparse-keymap)) (org-defkey org-mouse-map [(tab)] 'org-open-at-point) (org-defkey org-mouse-map \C-i 'org-open-at-point)) -(require 'font-lock) - (defconst org-non-link-chars ]\t\n\r) (defvar org-link-types '(http https ftp mailto file news shell elisp doi message)) -- 1.8.0.1 Regards, Achim. -- +[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]+ DIY Stuff: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/DIY.html
Re: [O] babel perl issue
I put (require 'ob-tangle) in my .emacs I am sorry but now Symbol's function definition is void: org-not-nil 2012/12/9 ASSI strom...@nexgo.de require 'ob-tangle -- flav
